We Need to be Better as a Community

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Stigbob said:
Yep, its just a video game and a reality check is sometimes required.

One of the reasons I think demands for extra realism in games are misguided. Running over a medpack doesn't cure gunshot wounds, it just stubs your toe and gets you yelled at by a very angry medic.
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Dude I totally agree now.

It. Is. Just. A. Game.

I'm well aware of the degree of hypocrisy I display in saying this, given my prior, well, obsession, over this game.

But it's just a game. I'm done taking it seriously now.

Everyone else is free to squabble over pixels of course. Most of my gaming is now D&D which is a genuine social experience where the game is secondary.
 

Ezren

Ezren
Stealthie said:
Don't get me started...

Funny how real-life often mirrors what's going on in a small community like this one.

We've currently got, for example, radical ethnic groups claiming that stuff like science and history are "racist" and should be erased so those ethnic groups can feature more equally in a do-over.
By the same token, we just had a thread where it was suggested that ED's galaxy might be reset so there'd be more "undiscovered" stuff for people to find.

In other examples, we have politicians who glibly label everybody who oppose them as all sorts of unpleasant things and then, when they get called unpleasant things (Anna Soubry, I'm looking at you) they demand the police prosecute their critics and that criticism of them should be banned.
Which, obviously, rather reflects the subject here.

I absolutely agree that all opinions aren't equal.
I'd suggest that everybody has an equal right to offer an opinion but that the reception an opinion recieves will be based on merit, and that shouldn't be something that's interfered with - as long as criticism remains civil.
And, of course, if criticism isn't civil then those comments should also be subject to criticism too.
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Long story short, some people are full of themselves and think just an opinion is all you need to win an argument.

The context of this thread changes the OP dramatically. It's not "we need to do better", it's "you need to do better to agree with me".
 

ArchEmperor

ArchEmperor
Ezren said:
Long story short, some people are full of themselves and think just an opinion is all you need to win an argument.

The context of this thread changes the OP dramatically. It's not "we need to do better", it's "you need to do better to agree with me".
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It is the "we need change" vs "we need conformity" issue.

The consensus could be "we need a changing conformity".
 

Glassfish

Glassfish
I’m hereby call together the council of Elite commanders.
We will take our wisdom, forged by our passion for our community, and spread it to the rest of the world.

There will be global peace in our time.

And if the rest of the world doesn’t like it...

We will just have to accept that.
 

Ezren

Ezren
Glassfish said:
I’m hereby call together the council of Elite commanders.
We will take our wisdom, forged by our passion for our community, and spread it to the rest of the world.

There will be global peace in our time.

And if the rest of the world doesn’t like it...

We will just have to accept that.
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Nothing brings peace faster than a C4 plasma accelerator.
 

ArchEmperor

ArchEmperor
Sterling MH said:
The problem is many players are here ONLY to play ForumPvP. And the moderators and the privilege of moderation without oversight they enjoy help them arrange and work out how to get a "kill". There isn't anything we can do to fix this, the way the forum is moderated (or, more succinctly, not moderated) is the cause and there is no way other than identifying and banning those who are engaging in ForumPvP to fix it. FD have to change things. The only forum posters who can do it are those who cause it because they want to disrupt things.
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I would not have believed it unless it recently happened to me myself.
It brought some kind of target on my back even outside of these forums.

We can always assume there are people who enjoy targeting others 'because'.
Sad story I wont go into here because it was only mental minors involved.

But there is not much we can do about that kind of ForumPvP.
And no, it is not the mods (I hope...)

Use a second account outside of these forums until you trust the people inside the new forum you are interested in. Just don't use your brothers account for that. He won't be happy.
 
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Stigbob

Stigbob
Sterling MH said:
The problem is many players are here ONLY to play ForumPvP. And the moderators and the privilege of moderation without oversight they enjoy help them arrange and work out how to get a "kill". There isn't anything we can do to fix this, the way the forum is moderated (or, more succinctly, not moderated) is the cause and there is no way other than identifying and banning those who are engaging in ForumPvP to fix it. FD have to change things. The only forum posters who can do it are those who cause it because they want to disrupt things.
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There is no mod conspiracy.

It comes up a lot from proponents of open only, they don't get anywhere because its all optional and they should have known that before buying in and would require a complete rethink/rewrite of everything to implement so the suggestions just laughable. They get frustrated and lash out with "carebear" and "coward" and things like that and eventually they get banned, not because anyone secretly has it in for them but because they lose their tempers and subsequently break the rules.

If FDEV wanted to conduct a purge of certain people they'd probably bin everyone who regularly bangs on about refunds, legal action or trading standards. Yet they let them hang around for years after they quit the game doing nothing but moan. So any claim there's shenanigans going on are frankly ludicrous.
 

IndigoWyrd

IndigoWyrd
Community Toxicity happens, but there's a very easy way to deal with it:

Ignore it.

You post something, someone posts something toxic, you glace over it and move on. The real world works the same way. Someone's being toxic, you ignore them and move on.
It's really that simple and painless.

A big banner campaign like the OP is just a big target for toxic folks to aim at, and easy to hit.

Thick skin... countless previous generations survived because of it - don't abandon what works.
 

babelfisch

babelfisch
CMDR Zadian Lichtfrost said:
This is a sad thread.
The OP takes the time to explain his thoughts about how the community of this forum could become better. He offers examples of what can be done to improve the mood of the forum by standing up against what he calls "toxicity" and by countering the arguments/statement and not attacking the person making the argument/statement.

And yet, a lot of the postings in this thread attack the OP personally and/or the way he presented his opinion. Doing exactly what the OP describes as the problem.
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Disagreeing with someone isn't toxicity or an attack. It's called discussion.
 

ZAKALWEINC8876

ZAKALWEINC8876
This place is fine IMHO, if you ask nicely then listen to any advice (good or bad) without resorting to a toddler temper tantrum, nearly every time, you will be fine.

I hate to say it but some people are a bit, well...❄️, thats just my opinion again you all understand.

If you ask a question and recieve an answer you don't like, ignore it🤷‍♂️, surely someone will be along shortly with help more to your liking. I got told at school "sticks and stones..."

I understand that this is not always the case, some people take things to heart more than others and bullying is inherently bad etc, but come on...

It is just a (Great) game after all, chill Winstons, quit with the negative waves😀

o7
 

Rat Catcher

Rat Catcher
Friedenreich Xante said:
... I mean, even the carebears have their grumpy bear...
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Too right :)
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CMDR Zadian Lichtfrost

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babelfisch said:
Disagreeing with someone isn't toxicity or an attack. It's called discussion.
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In my opinion there is a big difference between disagreeing about a topic and talking about the person making the point/argument.

The mods might provide better insight, but I noticed that they quite often have to remind participants of threads about "discus the topic not the poster".

I hope we all remember some nice and heated debates about some topic that where free from personal attacks - I do and those discussions have been informative, changed my opinion in some cases or made me aware of valid points of view I hadn't considered before. That's what a good discussion is in my opinion.
 

Ezren

Ezren
babelfisch said:
Disagreeing with someone isn't toxicity or an attack. It's called discussion.
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Yeah people need to understand the context of this thread. It started because somebody made hacking allegations because he missed a CG, and the OP of this thread took issue with people pointing out the many glaring flaws with all those wild accusations.

Again, this thread isn't "we should do better", it's "you should do better because I didn't like being disagreed with".

And that attitude has been pretty common lately; any disagreement is "toxic". We had somebody call another poster a "pitbull" for literally asking if they had their facts right. And here's this thread, clutching at imaginary wounds from people correcting wild, ranting accusations by pointing out fairly obvious things. Calling a response of "that's not how that works" toxic.

This thread is absurd.

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