We Need to be Better as a Community

[Stigbob]

I think I'm reading a little bit of sarcasm here, which implies you should be able understand my sarcasm as well (and I suspect you did). Same applies to a lot of people reacting to my post. Is it just that sarcasm as a delivery method is OK only when you agree with the message?

But seriously, nasty/snarky as a default mode of communication in the gamer community is just sad. That sort of stuff works (in a humoristic sense) with your mates in real life, but definitely doesn't in a wider context, especially when limited to written communication (and involving people who aren't native English speakers, but even native speakers are very likely to misread the intended tone in written communication). People who insist on doing it anyway are either wilfully or out of ignorance making the community very exclusive. And as I said, judging from how a section of the gaming community reacts to all attempts at inclusiveness in the industry, these people are dead set on keeping it exclusive. This flies in the face of actual statistical facts and potentially hurts the games' bottom line. I seriously don't understand FDev's laizzes faire attitude to the community.

People join, leave or return to games all the time its not a big deal at all. However there's a tiny minority of people for whom its an absolutely huge deal and they just can't move on after burning out/getting bored/exhausting the content/buying the wrong thing. They hang about perma-whinging resentfully at anyone with the temerity to enjoy themselves.

I jokingly refer to them as the forum undead.

With millions of copies sold their numbers build up and they can be extremely toxic simply because misery loves company and anyone doing that must be miserable as a default setting, or they wouldn't be doing it. They'd be enjoying something else instead.

Lots of forums ban people post ragequit for exactly that reason, FDEV don't.

 

[M00ka]

Holy hell this thread is still going.

Lesson 1: Just because people can say things, doesn't mean they should be listened to. Likewise, if you don't like what someone's saying, don't listen. Lord knows, too many people think others should be silenced because they can't follow this simple lesson.

Lesson 2: Those that declare others "toxic" are very often no only hypocrites, but instigators. "People shouldn't call each other 'names', those stupid 'names'. I can excuse myself for doing it because I'm on this high horse I climbed up on".

Lesson 3: It's your own problem if you read things wrong. A lot of people like to use the 'language barrier' excuse or speak on behalf of those with a language barrier. If you don't understand, you ask.

Lesson 4: Unwatch and ignore.

Well said, I think the OP forgot what this sub-forum is all about, it is after all called Dangerous Discussions not "Rainbow and Unicorn Fairy Land". Forums are about discussion, and you can't have discussion if only one side of an argument or only a singular opinion is allowed. And as soon as someone offers a differing opinion or a counter-argument then egos get bruised, underwear twisted and noses pulled out of joint. It is just human nature.

 

[Rat Catcher]

Well said, I think the OP forgot what this sub-forum is all about, it is after all called Dangerous Discussions not "Rainbow and Unicorn Fairy Land". Forums are about discussion, and you can't have discussion if only one side of an argument or only a singular opinion is allowed. And as soon as someone offers a differing opinion or a counter-argument then egos get bruised, underwear twisted and noses pulled out of joint. It is just human nature.

The 'issue' with discussions and opinions (which we all have, and are owned solely by us) is when they clash and parties 'discuss' how XXX opinion can't possibly be right...

Those times when discourse becomes 'robust' illustrate how well folk hold their opinion as 'right' - a bit like whenever I interject a comment into those discussions that wish to alter the game because... They often get a 'robust' response

 

[ArchEmperor]

...so, just our souls on the internet then?

I never seen anyone able to cram their physical bodies into the fiber optics.
Perhaps in the future.

 

[Arioch]

I never seen anyone able to cram their physical bodies into the fiber optics.
Perhaps in the future.

Should've seen me trying to do splice repairs on remote control submersibles cables!

For my earlier comment - I wouldn't recommend shouting "our souls!" at the Queen, for example

 

[Rat Catcher]

Should've seen me trying to do splice repairs on remote control submersibles cables!

For my earlier comment - I wouldn't recommend shouting "our souls!" at the Queen, for example

Too subtle....

 

[ArchEmperor]

Should've seen me trying to do splice repairs on remote control submersibles cables!

For my earlier comment - I wouldn't recommend shouting "our souls!" at the Queen, for example

For the non British audience, you could clarify what you mean by that statement.

 

[Rat Catcher]

In artificial light - I assume by hailed you mean fluorescent lights - things get ugly quite fast. If the early fluorescent lights had a strong blue part in the light (cold color temperature) then it would have been better to adjust the objects in the scene by adding more yellow then adding the right filter to the lens as this would have reduced the amount of light available for the film and old film needed a lot of light.

Sorry - missed this one
The emulsion on B&W film is/was a Silver halide (Silver Bromide I think) and the colour temperature of the lights (incandescent) made whites look dirty, whereas yellow matched the colour temperature and 'appeared' bright white.
history lesson over

 

[Arioch]

For the non British audience, you could clarify what you mean by that statement.

Her Maj, Liz Mk 2, Gor’bless ‘er, address her as Ma’m-as-in-jam, not Ma’am-as-in-farm (after the initial “your Majesty” of course), and definitely never ever shout homophonic phrases in her presence.

Hope that helps foster a little better community spirit around these parts <- on topic, oh yeah

 

[lostagain]

Was about to type something snooty, but I want to get better.
Wait...did I just type something snooty?

 

[CMDR Zadian Lichtfrost]

Sorry - missed this one
The emulsion on B&W film is/was a Silver halide (Silver Bromide I think) and the colour temperature of the lights (incandescent) made whites look dirty, whereas yellow matched the colour temperature and 'appeared' bright white.
history lesson over

Do you have a source for that? I would like to read more about that. On first glance there looks like something important is missing - I suspect the "color response curve" of really old b/w film emulsion. I remember that the early film emulsions where somewhat blind to certain wavelengths.
But nevertheless a very interesting tidbit. I'm of looking at my photography history books …

 

[Rat Catcher]

Do you have a source for that? I would like to read more about that. On first glance there looks like something important is missing - I suspect the "color response curve" of really old b/w film emulsion. I remember that the early film emulsions where somewhat blind to certain wavelengths.
But nevertheless a very interesting tidbit. I'm of looking at my photography history books …

I remembered it from a talk at the local camera club in the early 70's, and from reading a little in a book around that time.. Yet another 'history lesson'

 

[Ezren]

I remembered it from a talk at the local camera club in the early 70's, and from reading a little in a book around that time.. Yet another 'history lesson'

No, you're a socially awkward young male, remember?

 

[Phongsalt]

Also a funny observation: both sides of whatever the discussion is about, tend to call the other ones 'a vocal minority'.

It's easy to misinterpret mime for the visually impaired in a text medium.

 

[Jack Schitt]

Respectfully and kindly agreeing to disagree is a grossly undervalued skill, but it's fully possible.

This is very true, but it's important to remember that "agreeing to disagree" only applies when dealing with opinion, interpretation, emotion. It doesn't apply to solid, irrefutable facts. It's easy to lose sight of this, especially when you get into that grey area where objective reality itself leads to different emotional responses from different people. No response is subjectively wrong (although a majority / minority split may give that impression) but neither of them negates the objective truths either.

It's tricky. I think you'd be hard pushed to find a regular poster on these forums who hasn't at some point fallen into that trap. If there was a Search button for "times when I was a d--k" my own results would probably run to a few pages of hits.

 

[Patrick_68000]

This is one of the best communities ive been in, you should try the internet op. Also that thread is a terrible example

David always said that the community is fantastic.

 

[Killnine]

And as soon as someone offers a differing opinion or a counter-argument then egos get bruised, underwear twisted and noses pulled out of joint. It is just human nature.

Maybe, but it's also fully possible to have a certain level of civility and respect. If action isn't taken to demand and maintain that, things will spiral out of control and descend into flaming, trolling and general mayhem. It's just like an actual, physical society: cease to maintain law and order, looting will happen. A lot of people behave themselves even in the absence of authority, but there are always the ones who have no internal drive to be a decent human being and will do whatever they can get away with.

 

[Hanerib]

David always said that the community is fantastic.

I agree with this, we're just awesome the way we are.

 

[Patrick_68000]

I agree with this, we're just awesome the way we are.

Yes I would not want another community.

 

[SpaceInvader]

You must not be a backer then, because that wasnt thoughtful or mature

The irony!