What are the largest regions of the world totally unrepresented in the game?

[AmyEvans]

Who asked frontier to focus on regions? Who asked for specific packs to represent each region? I am just asking what regions don’t have any representation at the moment. One pack could easily add representation from several regions. E.g., an ‘islands’ pack or a biome pack. I’m not asking about or suggesting packs, I’m asking what places in the world do not have in-game animals. Neither New Zealand or Tasmania, for example, have any representation but I am not asking for or suggesting a New Zealand pack or a Tasmania pack I just thought it’d be interesting to see what areas of the globe have no representation as the game stands right now. Forget about future packs - they are nothing to do with the question.

Spring 2022 dlc

1) why no need to go back to oceania? Especially if there are enough requested animals. For all intents and purposes, our Australia Pack is already an Oceania Pack. Oceania is already used by Frontier in-game with priority over Australia. It's reasonable to conclude that Australia was used as...

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[AmyEvans]

Who asked frontier to focus on regions? Who asked for specific packs to represent each region? I am just asking what regions don’t have any representation at the moment. One pack could easily add representation from several regions. E.g., an ‘islands’ pack or a biome pack. I’m not asking about or suggesting packs, I’m asking what places in the world do not have in-game animals. Neither New Zealand or Tasmania, for example, have any representation but I am not asking for or suggesting a New Zealand pack or a Tasmania pack I just thought it’d be interesting to see what areas of the globe have no representation as the game stands right now. Forget about future packs - they are nothing to do with the question.

Regions without representation can be covered under biome packs, I definitely agree and encourage it. My fascination if you might call it this, with the way many of the PZ players view this, is that often specific regions that have very little to do with zoo's conservation or educational curriculums are often brought into the mix, just because the region has not yet received a dedicated pack. I think that if instead some of that focus was directed at the actual animals and their habitats/environments/biomes, we would definitely end up with a lot more interesting and zoo relevant species by the time support ends.

Someone could ask for example for a middle eastern theme pack, but is this something critically needed at this point in PZ ? Would a dedicated desert pack representing this biome not be a better fit? Another player might really want the critically endangered Amur Leopard to join the game and ask for a Russia or China pack to include it, but does this make any sense, when a temperate biome pack would have been the answer for it? Just thoughts and observations, that is all, a little different point of view as to what you might be accustomed in this forum.

 

[ElectricMonk]

Regions without representation can be covered under biome packs, I definitely agree and encourage it. My fascination if you might call it this, with the way many of the PZ players view this, is that often specific regions that have very little to do with zoo's conservation or educational curriculums are often brought into the mix, just because the region has not yet received a dedicated pack. I think that if instead some of that focus was directed at the actual animals and their habitats/environments/biomes, we would definitely end up with a lot more interesting and zoo relevant species by the time support ends.

Someone could ask for example for a middle eastern theme pack, but is this something critically needed at this point in PZ ? Would a dedicated desert pack representing this biome not be a better fit? Another player might really want the critically endangered Amur Leopard to join the game and ask for a Russia or China pack to include it, but does this make any sense, when a temperate biome pack would have been the answer for it? Just thoughts and observations, that is all, a little different point of view as to what you might be accustomed in this forum.

Well ok, a different POV is fine but it doesn’t really relate to the question I asked in the OP.

 

[NZFanatic]

Would a dedicated desert pack representing this biome not be a better fit?

Not unless it's only got Middle Eastern animals in it, which isn't likely to happen.

It's not so much about regions that have to do with zoos' curriculums, it's about filling out the roster. A good example is that North America and Europe mean absolutely nothing to me in terms of real-world zoo-focus, because neither of these regions is well-represented in most Australasian zoos. Conversely, New Zealand might have no focus at all to any zoo you're familiar with, but in terms of conservation and education it's literally required for a zoo to function in New Zealand that it has a strong focus on the protection and breeding of our native species.

It's also about filling the roster with common zoo animals. For the Middle East, several species immediately come to mind; the Hamadryas baboon, since it was skipped out of Africa; the dromedary camel, which we have myriad pieces of scenery for; the rock hyrax, perhaps a little less considered, but very common in captivity; the caracal, one of the most commonly-held small cats the world over besides the serval; and of course there are species there that are crucial to global conservation efforts, such as the Arabian oryx or Persian onager, and, if we ever get them, birds like the northern bald ibis.

A Desert Animal Pack could include some of these species, but it would also likely include animals from central and northern Asia, North America, and Australia.

Honestly, if we get biome packs instead of region packs I won't complain, as I don't think it's a bad idea, but that doesn't mean there aren't considerable options for more region-based packs going forward.

(I'm also going to take this opportunity to plug Japan as a good choice of region pack, too; the red-crowned crane, Japanese serow, raccoon dog, and sika deer would make great habitat animals, and I'd love the fire-bellied newt as an exhibit animal, and although the East Asia theme does cross into Japanese bits quite significantly the Africa Pack shows that they can expand on an existing theme or building set with new items).

 

[ElectricMonk]

Spring 2022 dlc

1) why no need to go back to oceania? Especially if there are enough requested animals. For all intents and purposes, our Australia Pack is already an Oceania Pack. Oceania is already used by Frontier in-game with priority over Australia. It's reasonable to conclude that Australia was used as...

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What has another thread got to do with it? If you want to comment on that thread comment there.

 

[AmyEvans]

Well ok, a different POV is fine but it doesn’t really relate to the question I asked in the OP.

I did give you my answer Central America.

 

[AmyEvans]

Not unless it's only got Middle Eastern animals in it, which isn't likely to happen.

It's not so much about regions that have to do with zoos' curriculums, it's about filling out the roster. A good example is that North America and Europe mean absolutely nothing to me in terms of real-world zoo-focus, because neither of these regions is well-represented in most Australasian zoos. Conversely, New Zealand might have no focus at all to any zoo you're familiar with, but in terms of conservation and education it's literally required for a zoo to function in New Zealand that it has a strong focus on the protection and breeding of our native species.

It's also about filling the roster with common zoo animals. For the Middle East, several species immediately come to mind; the Hamadryas baboon, since it was skipped out of Africa; the dromedary camel, which we have myriad pieces of scenery for; the rock hyrax, perhaps a little less considered, but very common in captivity; the caracal, one of the most commonly-held small cats the world over besides the serval; and of course there are species there that are crucial to global conservation efforts, such as the Arabian oryx or Persian onager, and, if we ever get them, birds like the northern bald ibis.

A Desert Animal Pack could include some of these species, but it would also likely include animals from central and northern Asia, North America, and Australia.

Honestly, if we get biome packs instead of region packs I won't complain, as I don't think it's a bad idea, but that doesn't mean there aren't considerable options for more region-based packs going forward.

(I'm also going to take this opportunity to plug Japan as a good choice of region pack, too; the red-crowned crane, Japanese serow, raccoon dog, and sika deer would make great habitat animals, and I'd love the fire-bellied newt as an exhibit animal, and although the East Asia theme does cross into Japanese bits quite significantly the Africa Pack shows that they can expand on an existing theme or building set with new items).

All excellent points. New Zealand on the contrary is of great importance to me, lots of beautiful bird species there. A Japan dedicated pack would be a perfect example for me of a missed opportunity. The construction pieces to elaborate in all manners of architecture that relates to this region of the world is already there, since the base game. As far as foliage, we could definitely use it, but that is the case with all regions I'm afraid, as it is the least explored area of the game outside the animal roster gaps. But how could we sincerely justify Japanese serows and raccoon dogs when we have so many commonly found zoo species absent from the game? Biomes in my opinion would be the answer again.

 

[ElectricMonk]

I did give you my answer Central America.

But it doesn’t have zero representation.

 

[AmyEvans]

But it doesn’t have zero representation.

When it comes to the abundance of animal life found there in comparison to other regions, the number might as well be zero. But the same could be said about South America (as unrealistic as it might appear, it is a fact) Even the African Continent to an extent when you take into account that most mega fauna and commonly found animals in zoos come from this region.

 

[AmyEvans]

What has another thread got to do with it? If you want to comment on that thread comment there.

Oh no sorry, I meant to link you to a more elaborate answer that further carry on your comment about a single biome covering a great number of regions. I guess the link took you to the thread instead of my actual comment on it.

 

[ElectricMonk]

When it comes to the abundance of animal life found there in comparison to other regions, the number might as well be zero. But the same could be said about South America (as unrealistic as it might appear, it is a fact) Even the African Continent to an extent when you take into account that most mega fauna and commonly found animals in zoos come from this region.

I’m not sure why, but you and several others seem to think I’m asking about under-represented regions. I am not. I have asked for regions with absolutely NO representation so far. I do not dispute that those areas are under-represented, however, there are plenty of threads to discuss under-represented areas, or you could start your own thread. I am asking aboutRegions with no (zero, zip, nada, not a single species) representation.

 

[AmyEvans]

I’m not sure why, but you and several others seem to think I’m asking about under-represented regions. I am not. I have asked for regions with absolutely NO representation so far. I do not dispute that those areas are under-represented, however, there are plenty of threads to discuss under-represented areas, or you could start your own thread. I am asking aboutRegions with no (zero, zip, nada, not a single species) representation.

Well, by that logic, then the region of Oceania has also being represented in the game, so there are currently no large regions in the world not represented in the game. If your definition of region extends to specific countries and ecosystems, then the list is monumental and no worth going thru it in my opinion, as I really do not see the point.

 

[ElectricMonk]

Well, by that logic, then the region of Oceania has also being represented in the game, so there are currently no large regions in the world not represented in the game. If your definition of region extends to specific countries and ecosystems, then the list is monumental and no worth going thru it in my opinion, as I really do not see the point.

Which is why I didn’t give Oceania as an example, I gave Tasmania and New Zealand as examples of unrepresented regions which are within Oceania. I asked for the largest regions because I think it’s interesting to know what the largest totally unrepresented regions are. I think this was pretty clear in the OP.

 

[AmyEvans]

Which is why I didn’t mention Oceania, I mentioned Tasmania and I mentioned New Zealand. I asked for the largest regions because I think it’s interesting to know what the largest totally unrepresented regions are. I think this was pretty clear in the OP.

It really was not, but reading the body of your post it does bring into perspective where you were eventually heading with this. I thought it was a thread geared towards the next obvious direction of the game, based on current roster representation, but I understand that it had a subjective narrative from the start, and that is fine. Maybe the le should have been "Frontier when are you going to include representation for Tasmania and New Zealand, since I think this is where you were always going with this. Just an idea.

 

[AmyEvans]

Which is why I didn’t give Oceania as an example, I gave Tasmania and New Zealand as examples of unrepresented regions which are within Oceania. I asked for the largest regions because I think it’s interesting to know what the largest totally unrepresented regions are. I think this was pretty clear in the OP.

My thoughts were that Oceania is a region made up of thousands of islands, so by your definition of a large region, and considering what and where the game has been up until now, it was a fair point of reference. Neither Tasmania or New Zealand are good indications of a region not covered in the game, because there is no precedent for that. The game has included mostly continents as packs and extremely important regions like the Arctic, South East Asia and the Northern regions of the North American continent as viable packs.

To jump from this to Tasmania and New Zealand would be the equivalent of asking why Honduras was not represented in the North American pack, or Greece in Europe.

 

[ElectricMonk]

It really was not, but reading the body of your post it does bring into perspective where you were eventually heading with this.

The body of my post is the OP (opening post).

I thought it was a thread geared towards the next obvious direction of the game, based on current roster representation, but I understand that it had a subjective narrative from the start, and that is fine.

There is no narrative, it is a simple question.

Maybe the le should have been "Frontier when are you going to include representation for Tasmania and New Zealand, since I think this is where you were always going with this. Just an idea.

That would have been a stupid title since that’s not the point of the thread. The point of the thread is to know what other large(ish) regions have no representation. If you’re not interested in the question don’t read / comment on the thread.

 

[AmyEvans]

The body of my post is the OP (opening post).

There is no narrative, it is a simple question.

That would have been a stupid title since that’s not the point of the thread. The point of the thread is to know what other large(ish) regions have no representation. If you’re not interested in the question don’t read / comment on the thread.

It seems we might be the only ones commenting on it, lol, but no, it was actually an interesting thread at least when I thought the topic of discussion was a little less restrictive. But go ahead, enjoy the thread and have fun with the answers, I will move on to something else.

 

[AmyEvans]

That sounds like a question you'd need to ask a biologist and a geographer... you define New Zealand and Tasmania as regions, but being islands their landmass and animal options are both much smaller and much more easily defined than say, somewhere in north-ish/central Asia with our non-specific "Timber Wolf" which may not accurately represent the wolves found in that area...

This guy gets it.

 

[nutrit]

I love this map by Yoav. It clearly shows which regions are left to cover.
I would like to see:

• SA animal pack
• Oceania or even better Islands animal pack
• General Asia animal pack (including Greather Asia and India)
• Africa animal pack (including Middle East)
• Arctic (regular DLC)

That would fill up the roster really good

And I know that this is unpopular opinion but I don’t want to loose even one spot in a DLC for birds when there are still so many mammals the we need in the game (except for emu). I belive birds deserve their own animal packs. Maybe even two - one for ground birds and one for flying birds. That would resolve the Bird problem somehow.

 

[ElectricMonk]

It seems we might be the only ones commenting on it, lol, but no, it was actually an interesting thread at least when I thought the topic of discussion was a little less restrictive. But go ahead, enjoy the thread and have fun with the answers, I will move on to something else.

Have fun. May I suggest one of the many threads discussing what you seem to want to discuss?