What cases have there *actually* been of someone else 'stealing' a First Discovery ?

[K Olley]

It also shouldn't be necessary to drag a carrier round with you "just in case" (but I also do this now. Just in case).

I also do this, but for a different reason.

ATM I am working in the Outordy sector trying to reduce the number of missing main stars and also doing a fair bit of mining.

I am finding some undiscovered systems but first discovery tags are not of any great importance to me.

 

[Felix DiCestria]

Yeah that is true, in this CMDR's case they must have left the carrier because they jumped to a couple of other systems, so you would at least honk I would have thought. Ah, now that's interesting, on that same trip when he visited KOI 1701 he also visited Sifoae UU-O e6-0, curiously enough that's a system I also visited whilst out there, on that same trip, same date of visit, 1 jump away from KOI 1701, and guess who is listed as first discovery? Me! Curiouser and curiouser.

You have a stowaway?

 

[Sapyx]

I know of one instance where I stole a Tag.

Terraformable Metal-Rich worlds are very scarce, almost as scarce as GGGs if considerably less spectacular. At one point, we explorers here on the forum were debating as to whether or not such worlds actually existed, since none of us recalled ever seeing one. Someone had compiled a list of such worlds that had been reported to EDSM, and posted it on the forum - about a dozen or so at the time - so I immediately set course for the nearest one to my then-current position, to check it out for myself. Sure enough, it existed - it wasn't an error in either the game or EDSM (like the "terraformable ammonia worlds" cropping up in the Codex, which were all Codex errors).

Yes, the planet existed - and it wasn't Tagged in-game. I seem to recall the EDSM data was at least several months old at the time I visited the system, I'd have to check my records for the precise timing.

I didn't then immediately rush back to base to steal the Tag - I continued on with my survey work, then handed the data in along with all the rest of the data, a month or two later.

So, you be the judge: did I "steal the Tag"? I didn't actively try to steal it, but it's not like I went out of my way to avoid stealing it. I needed to scan the planet, to verify its terraformability status, so the only practical way to permanently avoid stealing it would have been to manually sell the rest of my exploration data system by system, meticulously avoiding selling the stolen system, then going and getting myself blown up so I'd lose the data - not something I really wanted to do, since I'm trying to keep my deaths to a minimum. I shouldn't have to spend hours manually selling a hundred pages of data, then commit suicide, just to avoid becoming a Tag thief. I don't even know if the original first discoverer ever went back and sold their data - it's possible they just quit the game, and even if they had sold the data, it's most likely that the original discoverer never even knew they'd found something rare and special. But I freely admit I don't "deserve" my Tag on that planet, since I didn't find it.

 

[varonica]

So, you be the judge: did I "steal the Tag"?

Hard to say, I mean what if the CMDR who found it was destroyed and lost the data, what if he stopped playing and never turned it in, what if he reset his save and forgot the data was there? How long should you wait? What if you waited and some random other CMDR found the planet, returned to UC and got the tag so neither you or the original finder got the tag?

To be honest I am not that worried that my name doesn't appear in EDSM for the first visitor for KOI 1701, and to be sure I was first visitor I would have to know the exact date and time the other CMDR visited to know if he pinched my tag, I only posted it here because the question was asked and I like to be helpful, I still have the first discovery tags in game and the record for highest landable gravity planet, other than that does it really matter that a third party website has another name in it for first visitor?

 

[Gut]

I honestly wouldn't care , i mean i could be putting my name on systems for the next 20,000 years ( if i could live that long lol ) , so Meh!

 

[Athan]

I know of one instance where I stole a Tag.

Terraformable Metal-Rich worlds are very scarce, almost as scarce as GGGs if considerably less spectacular. At one point, we explorers here on the forum were debating as to whether or not such worlds actually existed, since none of us recalled ever seeing one. Someone had compiled a list of such worlds that had been reported to EDSM, and posted it on the forum - about a dozen or so at the time - so I immediately set course for the nearest one to my then-current position, to check it out for myself. Sure enough, it existed - it wasn't an error in either the game or EDSM (like the "terraformable ammonia worlds" cropping up in the Codex, which were all Codex errors).

Yes, the planet existed - and it wasn't Tagged in-game. I seem to recall the EDSM data was at least several months old at the time I visited the system, I'd have to check my records for the precise timing.

I didn't then immediately rush back to base to steal the Tag - I continued on with my survey work, then handed the data in along with all the rest of the data, a month or two later.

So, you be the judge: did I "steal the Tag"? I didn't actively try to steal it, but it's not like I went out of my way to avoid stealing it. I needed to scan the planet, to verify its terraformability status, so the only practical way to permanently avoid stealing it would have been to manually sell the rest of my exploration data system by system, meticulously avoiding selling the stolen system, then going and getting myself blown up so I'd lose the data - not something I really wanted to do, since I'm trying to keep my deaths to a minimum. I shouldn't have to spend hours manually selling a hundred pages of data, then commit suicide, just to avoid becoming a Tag thief. I don't even know if the original first discoverer ever went back and sold their data - it's possible they just quit the game, and even if they had sold the data, it's most likely that the original discoverer never even knew they'd found something rare and special. But I freely admit I don't "deserve" my Tag on that planet, since I didn't find it.

You didn't steal this in the sense I am asking about.

1. The data was visible on EDSM, which means it got unhidden there whether or not it ever went over EDDN. You/your source hadn't used the EDDN stream to get this data.
2. In your own words you didn't rush to sell the data once you had it.

The more I read responses and think about this... the more I'm convinced that EDSM needs updating to (carefully, preferably by holding the original Journal-sourced data in the meantime) send EDSM data to EDDN when it is un-hidden. There's no issue if this technically causes duplicate data over EDDN, it/listeners will cope.