What makes you prefer odyssey/horizons?

[Rhaazerus Orzhov]

Odyssey framerates are still bad. I get around 350-400fps average on Horizons, Odyssey I get around 80-100fps with occasional drops.
Odyssey lighting, shadows, contrast, and that weird auto-exposure adjustment that happens when transitioning from light/dark areas - It's all total garbage.

BUT, I still continue to play on Odyseey simply because I have the option to walk around. I'm fickle.

 

[Staarlord]

Just as the title says. What makes you prefer odyssey or horizons? I'll start

What keeps me playing ody is a mix of things. i am immensely satisified being able to walk around in my carrier and see the people in the bar. Considering I try to help a lot of people, I LOVE the copy button in the galaxy map. Considering i switch parts in my ships all the time the stored modules tab in ody is 10 times better than the stupid gigantic list in horizons. Lastly I like the visual improvements to the game , barring the changes to the planet tech and the fact that the thargoid explosions are uglier. Yall can rag on this as much as you want, but the limited gameplay ive done with the on foot content, its ok and i like it.

Wbu?

Horizons: Better anti-aliasing and smoother frame rates
Odyssey: Everything else.

At this point, I almost feel like unless you are having performance issues, Horizons shouldn't even be a consideration, now that Odyssey has been largely smoothed out.
I'll be honest, I thought the on-foot stuff would be great, but I still play the game as I had, pre-Odyssey. I guess there's just not enough to do on-foot. Combat/ settlement raids, sure, but nothing extra to do at Guardian sites, Thargoid sites, out exploring (not enough on-foot exploration/ discovery elements). Maybe, if there were caves, full atmosphere, some sort of biological organism discovery system, superpower capital cities able to be visited etc. I imagine a day where you can visit a capital and hop on a tram to some shopping district/ shipyard etc. As of now, however, space is still the place to be.

 

[Scubadog]

I'm a VR-only player. I originally bought Odyssey because I THOUGHT the visuals would be a massive improvement compared to Horizons. I couldn't have been more wrong. As others have said, frame rates are abysmal. And, as a VR player, the visuals are a tremendous downgrade by comparison Horizons. Also, I never wanted space legs, nor do I disembark my ship. I'll use my fighters or SRVs, but I have no use for any of the on-foot stuff. As an aside, I also have nothing to do with carriers--I filter them out as much the game will allow. There are just so many features Odyssey added that I will never use, and the ONE thing I got it FOR is an absolute JOKE for VR players. I'm hoping someday they fix it, but they already made it clear they aren't planning to do ANY improvement to the planetary tech. It's just embarrassing how badly they botched Odyssey. As far as I'm concerned, Odyssey was a complete waste of money.

 

[DYSEQTA]

What would be an issue is if Odyssey takes away the ability to play in VR in the scenarios I currently enjoy in Horizons (space installation defense, bounty hunting, space combat zones, etc).

I V-Sync to 60FPS so anything above that I literally don't care about (I know you need more like 90 or something for VR). Odyssey in space was 60 solid on my old machine and is 60 solid on my new. Hardly an awesome scientific evaulation but my point is I don't think space performance is effected negatively enough that it matters unless you were barely managing Horizon performance on your current hardware. I'm sure there are plenty of people that can tell you actuall frame rate differences when uncapped, which could help you judge any performance difference you might see on your current hardware, but as Isaid uncapped means nothing to me.

 

[DYSEQTA]

And, as a VR player, the visuals are a tremendous downgrade by comparison Horizons.

This right here is clearly a very polarizing point. I don't think I've seen any "meh" kind of opinions regarding the visuals of the two games you either love the Odyssey changes or hate them apparently. You and I are on opposite poles.

I also note that a lot of the Odyssey visual bashing seems to come along with a general hatred for all things Odyssey. I'm not belittling your opinion at all just making an observation.

Not directly related to Scubadog's post but more returning directly to the OP:

I don't relish the position FDev is in at all. They have a vision and a path they are follwing to achieve that. It was laid out, albeit in rundimentary fashion, right from the get go in the kickstarter speil. Right now they are kind of stuck. I honestly think the only thing they can sanely do is put Horizon's in maintenance mode like consoles so players sticking with it can keep playing what they paid for, but they would effectively have to stop updating Horizons with story based content and move forward exclusively with Odyssey in that regard. They can't keep running both in parallel with full service to both, it just won't work, and seriously its unrealistic to expect them to. The game was described from the start to be a continuous development game with paid expansions. If you don't want to keep up you can't expect them to limit progression for everyone to whatever level of upgrade you decided to stop at (you is used genericly here, not a reference to Scubadog).

 

[WR3ND]

It's pretty straightforward for me; 260~290 FPS in Horizons vs. 26~34 FPS in Odyssey.

 

[Rat Catcher]

It's pretty straightforward for me; 260~290 FPS in Horizons vs. 26~34 FPS in Odyssey.

So there was no panacea for lack of SLI?
Out of curiosity, what is your single card performance in Horizons.

I have noticed, even with my previous setup, that switching from EDO to EDH normally only gives around a 50% increase in FPS. (Using comparable scenarios) e.g. 140 to 200 in space. (so, in comparison to Horizons, Odyssey is around 33% less FPS)

Entering a space port loads up graphics more in EDO, so maybe that is what your comparison illustrates?

 

[EdzUp]

It's pretty straightforward for me; 260~290 FPS in Horizons vs. 26~34 FPS in Odyssey.

So there was no panacea for lack of SLI?
Out of curiosity, what is your single card performance in Horizons.

I have noticed, even with my previous setup, that switching from EDO to EDH normally only gives around a 50% increase in FPS. (Using comparable scenarios) e.g. 140 to 200 in space. (so, in comparison to Horizons, Odyssey is around 33% less FPS)

Entering a space port loads up graphics more in EDO, so maybe that is what your comparison illustrates?

That is the reason I would have rolled back to the previous seasons codebase, after all if you have a car with the engines gone you done keep pushing it around hoping sonehow the engine will roar into life sonetime you have to realise that enough is enough

 

[Rat Catcher]

That is the reason I would have rolled back to the previous seasons codebase, after all if you have a car with the engines gone you done keep pushing it around hoping sonehow the engine will roar into life sonetime you have to realise that enough is enough

The previous season's codebase still exists, just not in the expansion (I doubt Frontier went to the bother of creating V4 just to annoy the players), so the choice remains until such time as Frontier either make magic and get serious improvements in the expansion's performance (and magic it would have to be!) or just change the specs to reflect the 'needs' of EDO.

That is the benefit of an expansion, just like Horizons (until it was given away free, naturally) it is up to the individual to decide if they wish to play it, even when Horizons was given away to make it the new 'base game' Frontier had mentioned that the take-up for that old expansion was only around 50%.

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[EdzUp]

The previous season's codebase still exists, just not in the expansion (I doubt Frontier went to the bother of creating V4 just to annoy the players), so the choice remains until such time as Frontier either make magic and get serious improvements in the expansion's performance (and magic it would have to be!) or just change the specs to reflect the 'needs' of EDO.

That is the benefit of an expansion, just like Horizons (until it was given away free, naturally) it is up to the individual to decide if they wish to play it, even when Horizons was given away to make it the new 'base game' Frontier had mentioned that the take-up for that old expansion was only around 50%.

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Yeah the 50% take up will be a big downturn in the games fortunes, hopefully they can turn it around for this half of the season but they would have to have to have some massive story elements to make people want to buy into it. Maybe on foot exploration of Thargoid or Guardian stuff where a SRV would be to big to enter

 

[Rat Catcher]

Yeah the 50% take up will be a big downturn in the games fortunes, hopefully they can turn it around for this half of the season but they would have to have to have some massive story elements to make people want to buy into it. Maybe on foot exploration of Thargoid or Guardian stuff where a SRV would be to big to enter

I, for one, would like something 'unique' to Odyssey, that makes on-foot content tie-in nicely to the existing ship content, your suggestion is good, all of the Guardian / Thargoid locations are too far away for shuttle travel, so would need a ship... (and would be fun also)

But, being truthful, I don't envision Frontier being bold enough to make 'excellent content' exclusive to EDO, but I can hope!

Perhaps, if as hinted at on some of the tech sites, if Nvidia, AMD & Intel are on likely to bring out GPU's (and AMD CPUs) in Q3/4 of this year, prices and availability of product would be good, making upgrading less of a major expenditure and back in line with hobbyist budgets?

 

[DYSEQTA]

Maybe on foot exploration of Thargoid or Guardian stuff where a SRV would be to big to enter

I was just recently at a Guardian site which had a whole bunch of structures that looked an awful lot like doors leading into an underground facility. Wish I had taken a screen shot now.

 

[EdzUp]

I, for one, would like something 'unique' to Odyssey, that makes on-foot content tie-in nicely to the existing ship content, your suggestion is good, all of the Guardian / Thargoid locations are too far away for shuttle travel, so would need a ship... (and would be fun also)

But, being truthful, I don't envision Frontier being bold enough to make 'excellent content' exclusive to EDO, but I can hope!

Perhaps, if as hinted at on some of the tech sites, if Nvidia, AMD & Intel are on likely to bring out GPU's (and AMD CPUs) in Q3/4 of this year, prices and availability of product would be good, making upgrading less of a major expenditure and back in line with hobbyist budgets?

I was just recently at a Guardian site which had a whole bunch of structures that looked an awful lot like doors leading into an underground facility. Wish I had taken a screen shot now.

Of course its all speculation but it would be a huge selling point if qe could have that initial "run a bypass" bit of aliens when exploring some lobg forgotten alien world etc, these possibilities are endless

 

[Old Duck]

i play ody exclusively in vr, NOTHING has been taken away.

Except that you had to ---------v

kill shadows, drop gal map quality to low, drop a few things down from ultra, SLIGHTLY undersample the vr headset, and download a program [..]

As someone who plays Horizons with ultra-quality shadows, oversampling in VR (which makes a surprisingly big difference in my Oculus Rift), and high to ultra everything else, what you're suggesting would take a LOTS of things away from my VR experience. And it's not like Odyssey's graphical improvements are so ground-breaking that it warrants such a huge performance hit - in fact, I'll argue that in space, Odyssey looks worse in many regards (based on videos and screenshots I've seen). It's definitely no Star Citizen, visually-speaking.

So why would I pay money to take such a huge step backwards in my VR experience?

 

[Rat Catcher]

So why would I pay money to take such a huge step backwards in my VR experience?

You don't have to... It isn't mandatory, you know.

ETA: The only thing that should be mandatory is the merging of client 4, that would enable both EDO & EDH players to enjoy EDH activities together without being forced to change client from 4 to 3.

 

[Old Duck]

It's pretty straightforward for me; 260~290 FPS in Horizons vs. 26~34 FPS in Odyssey.

I'm glad my other games don't touch the graphics engine as part of their downloadable content. I can happily enjoy DLC for X4, Space Engineers, Elder Scrolls Online, Soulcalibur, etc. with zero worries that this DLC will kill my performance.

If you want to rewrite the core graphics and planet tech engines, release it as a new game (X3 to X4 for example), don't pretend it's DLC when it really isn't. Because let's face it, Odyssey really is ED 2.0, to the point where the entire game gets its own separate folder from Horizons.

 

[He$$eeTant]

Except that you had to ---------v

As someone who plays Horizons with ultra-quality shadows, oversampling in VR (which makes a surprisingly big difference in my Oculus Rift), and high to ultra everything else, what you're suggesting would take a LOTS of things away from my VR experience. And it's not like Odyssey's graphical improvements are so ground-breaking that it warrants such a huge performance hit - in fact, I'll argue that in space, Odyssey looks worse in many regards (based on videos and screenshots I've seen). It's definitely no Star Citizen, visually-speaking.

So why would I pay money to take such a huge step backwards in my VR experience?

I agree in fact you should take an even bigger - a more horizons like stand - and stop posting on the forum. They would soon miss you and I am sure that would get them to better optimise the code, improve the gameplay and up the graphics - what have you got to lose?

 

[Old Duck]

I agree in fact you should take an even bigger - a more horizons like stand - and stop posting on the forum.

There's this thing called an ignore list. Give it a try. I'll go first, show you how it's done

 

[DYSEQTA]

As someone who plays Horizons with ultra-quality shadows, oversampling in VR (which makes a surprisingly big difference in my Oculus Rift), and high to ultra everything else, what you're suggesting would take a LOTS of things away from my VR experience. And it's not like Odyssey's graphical improvements are so ground-breaking that it warrants such a huge performance hit - in fact, I'll argue that in space, Odyssey looks worse in many regards (based on videos and screenshots I've seen). It's definitely no Star Citizen, visually-speaking.

So why would I pay money to take such a huge step backwards in my VR experience?

Based on that I would suggest that unless you are willing to invest money into upgrading your hardware or give up VR then don't. Odyssey will not run on your current hardware (even though I guess once it must have been pretty beast-mode gear) with your current settings like Horizons will and although I have never experienced it I would imagine not being able to do all content in one game as one seamless VR experience would be at the very least somewhat jarring. If that is the line you draw then that's fair enough no amount of discussion is going to change the current situation from a performance or VR capability perspective.

Star Citizen is a joke, a scam, and a meme right up until it is actually released and I get what I paid for. I backed it at the same time as I did ED. ED I've been able to play for many years now as a functional game with a steady stream of updates adding new game play as per the original spiel. ED is far from perfection but even mentioning Star Citizen... Star Citizen may as well be Theranos at this point. I will happily give both Squadron 42 and Star Citizen a go when they are released (you won't be playing SC in VR on all ultra settings with your current hardware either). I paid for them after all.

It's a bit of a pity because you are clearly passionate about Elite and space games in general and Odyssey really does bring a whole new feel, in a good way, to ED.

If you want to rewrite the core graphics and planet tech engines, release it as a new game (X3 to X4 for example), don't pretend it's DLC when it really isn't. Because let's face it, Odyssey really is ED 2.0, to the point where the entire game gets its own separate folder from Horizons.

I kind of agree with you about the ED 2.0 thing which is why I mentioned above that perhaps they should maintenance mode Horizons so those that can't reasonably or simply don't want to upgrade can continue to play the game as it currently is and then move forward with Odyssey as the new base. But it would not be reasonable to expect content and story related updates to Horizons or any kind of integration with the current form of the game from that point.

 

[Rat Catcher]

I agree in fact you should take an even bigger - a more horizons like stand - and stop posting on the forum.

There's this thing called an ignore list. Give it a try. I'll go first,

Gosh @He$$eeTant , you are now in the exclusive club.... It does mean that you may now post whatever you feel worthwhile in response, exactly as I do, just because it is fun!
(Yes, most of the group I mix with are ignored also!)