What went wrong with Elite Dangerous

[CMDR Pugwash]

I didn't read the reddit thread, why should I? You want to make a point about ED, do it here. That said, I hate EVE and love ED. I'm looking forward to the improvements and trust Frontier to get it right. My only concern is the kids whining for shinny things, based on other games they like distracts Fdev from their course.


You want EVE? then go and play EVE, you want NMS? ditto, and so on.

 

[Sole Hunter]

aresn 1883 points
Despite its sandbox moniker, the devs strangely refuse to put more control into the players hands. The economy, building/crafting etc all are very static and decided upon by the devs/game.

Development also has been somewhat slow, with the developers demanding money up front for content they have yet to create for you to get access to it piecemeal-style.
Those are the reasons why I stopped playing Elite.

usrevenge
i think this is a huge one.
i wonder how many people would play it if you and your friends could build a space station, put shops and stuff in it, and have other players use it.
meanwhile you have to defend it too, keep it fueled and supplied, but you can charge taxes on goods sold and stuff.


Nailed it.

almost 2000 people agreed with that guy that's a big sign that people want to see that stuff in the game.

Dude, seems like you could use some help with your emotions. Find yourself a friend to talk about it.

But your way of saying things clearly tells me that you lack all the skills needed for a normal conversation. You tend to get aggressive when you try to defend your point, which is usaually a indicator for a weak argument. And your arguments are weak indeed. Your view is just one of many. You try to give it a "true for all"-painting, calling everyone not sharing your views a carebear or a noob unable to "play the game properly". That´s not the way to have a constructive discussion.

Add more respect and maybe I will stop ignoring everything you say.

oh no! another internet psychologist telling me to get friends. Thanks doctor for caring but in all honesty you're quite wrong but that shouldn't be much of a surprise because how could you know me after all! Next thing you're going to tell me is I have anger issues? look I don't want to sound like my argument is "weak" but what you just said is completly irelevant to the main subject of this discussion.

also did I forget to mention I really don't care about getting ignored by you?

 

[Asp Explorer]

almost 2000 people agreed with that guy that's a big sign that people want to see these kinds of thing in the game.

2000 people do not an opinion make.

I think it would be fun for you to have your very own space station. You can hug it and pet it and call it George. Just don't get upset when some random player working in Solo fills it up with biowaste and UA's

 

[Robert Maynard]

almost 2000 people agreed with that guy that's a big sign that people want to see these kinds of thing in the game.

Is there any guarantee that all of those upvotes are from reddit users that actually own the game?

Also, as is often trotted out when it is pointed out that the Mobius PvE groups only have a membership of 21,500 - that's a tiny proportion of the number of copies sold.

As has been pointed out earlier in the thread - Frontier cannot please every player - therefore some players are not going to get what they want.

 

[Sandmann]

Also, as is often trotted out when it is pointed out that the Mobius PvE groups only have a membership of 21,500 - that's a tiny proportion of the number of copies sold.

Very true, this. In fact it's less than 10% of the population of mobius group, most (if not all) of whom would disagree.

 

[Winterwalker]

I think it's a tad early to be writing epitaphs about the demise of this great game. Everyone is entitled to their opinion I guess.

Agree ^^ I think the reddit, like similar views made elsewhere, jumps the gun.

Lots of features planned, lots of features promised but the game doesn't grow on a magical code tree, appearing out of nowhere, develeopment is bound to take time. That's just the way it is.

And more haste (impatient Cmdrs?) may even end result in less speed imo.

 

[Sole Hunter]

Is there any guarantee that all of those upvotes are from reddit users that actually own the game?

Also, as is often trotted out when it is pointed out that the Mobius PvE groups only have a membership of 21,500 - that's a tiny proportion of the number of copies sold.

true but if you read the majority of the comments most of people seem to have or had played the game in the past so that shouldn't be much a surprise. The reddit post is also on /r/games not just on some random /r/ section of reddit.

2000 people do not an opinion make.

I think it would be fun for you to have your very own space station. You can hug it and pet it and call it George. Just don't get upset when some random player working in Solo fills it up with biowaste and UA's

It's definitely an opinion with a lot of weight if we all agree and assume they all played the game but again it's reddit not official feedback. Still a good indicator that there is a cause for concern.

btw I see at least one thread every week on this forum about player owned stations.

 

[ephil]

My favourite bit of the thread is when they complain about 40-something Dads telling them to put up with it [yesnod]. The journey to getting the best ships was always and is still a major part of the game. If you spend hours and hours grinding up to the best ships, you will run out of content. But if you play for 2-3 hours a week and take your time (like a lot of us Dads have to) then it'll take over a year to get that Anaconda, and enjoy the trip along the way.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

Maybe players should look into the specifics of a game before they buy it.

 

[Sole Hunter]

Maybe players should look into the specifics of a game before they buy it.

It's hard to tell with Elite when your expansions are titled with early access and don't have content for 6 months, don't you agree with that?

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

It's hard to tell with Elite when your expansions are titled with early access and don't have content for 6 months, don't you agree with that?

Indeed I don't.

Elite was advertised not to go into the direction of player/guild owned stuff. People bought this game because this kind of stuff wouldn't be in the game. Then there are those who didn't do their research and expect player/guild owned stuff. They are disappointed and are now arguing to remove the reason of those who did research the game they bought.

Seems a bit unfair, don't you agree?

 

[Arithon]

What went wrong with Elite

Nothing? We're eight years from being able to talk about Elite in the past tense.

 

[Agony_Aunt]

btw I see at least one thread every week on this forum about player owned stations.

And i see in those threads people against player owned stations as well as those for them.

But there again, this is life on the internet. Any suggestion will have its detractors as well as proponents. Which is why FD might as well do what they want to do, because you'll never please everyone.

 

[mistohise]

The title of this thread makes an assumption that something went wrong with Elite Dangerous and invites arguments against that. Since I don't hold the position that something has gone wrong, it doesn't seem to offer much of a debate.

 

[Marcus Tullius]

The limited progression and the lack of private property are features of communist doctrine. As we already know, the communist doctrine has lost the Cold War. The limited progression and the lack of private property are demotivating the people to do anything. That doctrine perfectly suits to weak individuals who perfectly know their incapability to survive in capitalist society, but badly restricts those that are able to do more. This is for the record.
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Do not misunderstand me, guys: I don’t like the *wild capitalism* of EVE but I’ll not live in restricted communist ED as it is in present state. Not because I want to be a fleet commander or trading magnate, but because it kills the immersion. Damn it, I have all ships and 1.3 bil in bank, but I cannot buy a s*ity mining site? I cannot lend a couple of millions to a friend of mine? I’m unable to hire a storage place? May be I should use my imagination? LOL…

 

[Asp Explorer]

btw I see at least one thread every week on this forum about player owned stations.

That's simply because some people want to see other peoples expectations crushed. You own a station, and guaranteed it will be nuked out in days by people who simply don't want you to own a station. If you try to rebuild it, the next iteration will get crushed too. The BGS is bigger than any player.

 

[Robert Maynard]

true but if you read the majority of the comments most of people seem to have or had played the game in the past so that shouldn't be much a surprise. The reddit post is also on /r/games not just on some random /r/ section of reddit.

You missed my edit - "As has been pointed out earlier in the thread - Frontier cannot please every player - therefore some players are not going to get what they want. "

It's definitely an opinion with a lot of weight if we all agree and assume they all played the game but again it's reddit not official feedback. Still a good indicator that there is a cause for concern.

btw I see at least one thread every week on this forum about player owned stations.

It's definitely an opinion. Does it really have any weight behind it in terms of c.1.4M copies sold? Does everyone agree that the points mentioned are problems?

Threads pop up with regard to features not included in the game all the time (or with regard to extant features that do not suit a subset of the player-base) - that won't change - even if one of the features were implemented / removed - there'd still be players who would be unhappy with the change.

 

[Sole Hunter]

Indeed I don't.

Elite was advertised not to go into the direction of player/guild owned stuff. People bought this game because this kind of stuff wouldn't be in the game. Then there are those who didn't do their research and expect player/guild owned stuff. They are disappointed and are now arguing to remove the reason of those who did research the game they bought.

Seems a bit unfair, don't you agree?

I don't and many other people disagree with your opinion.

Just because they didn't research what the game has to offer doesn't mean those features don't have to be implemented. Look I pulled a few comments and most of those comments say the same thing and you'll find the same comments on steam and other websites. It's pretty clear that there is a huge amount people that would gladly come back to the game and spend more money on it if such features were available.

Quote from "Fredfredbug4'

That is the biggest problem with Elite. You are given hundreds of thousands of stars to explore, more than you can do in your life time, and you aren't allowed to do anything but stare at them.

No colonization, no base building, no ownership, no large scale industry, nothing. The whole reason why people explored the Earth was to find resources for their empires. Exploring in Elite is pointless if you aren't an interstellar sightseer.

Quoted from "Voidsheep"

Personally I didn't do enough research before jumping into the game and expected it to be multiplayer-focused. Something along the lines of EVE, but with less management and more first-person combat. When I found out it's basically a single player game with opt-in for occasional player encounters, my motivation to play immediately dropped.

It feels like an MMO with bots everywhere. There's isn't a good script and story like I'd expect from a single player game, but also not the kind of emergent gameplay I'd expect from multiplayer. Can't really fault the game for going in with wrong expectations, but just didn't turn out to be my cup of tea.

Quoted from "redo21"

You share my thoughts. It's such a waste a big world like that just left empty most of the time. Plus all I do in the early game is just go to A sell things buy things go to B sell things buy things go to A repeat and alt-f4. I'd like to think that this game is for the upper class gamer that can show beautiful things with 3 monitor or something, because it's sure looks nice. But gameplay wise it wasn't worth 60€ imho. Now I'm afraid that no man's sky would end up the same but with bigger "unlimited" world.

 

[Robert Maynard]

I don't and many other people disagree with your opinion.

Just because they didn't research what the game has offer doesn't mean those features don't have to be implemented.

.... it doesn't mean that those features do have to be implemented either.

We'll just need to wait and see what Frontier chooses to do - it's their game, after all.

 

[Sole Hunter]

You missed my edit - "As has been pointed out earlier in the thread - Frontier cannot please every player - therefore some players are not going to get what they want. "



It's definitely an opinion. Does it really have any weight behind it in terms of c.1.4M copies sold? Does everyone agree that the points mentioned are problems?

Threads pop up with regard to features not included in the game all the time (or with regard to extant features that do not suit a subset of the player-base) - that won't change - even if one of the features were implemented / removed - there'd still be players who would be unhappy with the change.

I'd be curious to see how many would agree with player owned stations if frontier was to do an official feedback letter/poll.