Well, RF+Screening is basically perma-mag-dump at 2.6 shots/second. If what you're shooting at is flying away in a straight line, or mostly straight line, they're insanely powerful.
Outside of that, yeah they're not worth it.
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Outside of that, yeah they're not worth it.
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I believe that was in the movies but not the book, but I could be wrong.
Screening shell is meant for shooting down ordnance, but it also cuts reload times in half.
The catch with rapid fire is that you'll empty your mag in zero time. High-capacity has a slightly better total damage capacity than overcharged before you run out, but it won't let you apply it as quickly.
What is the current Pmk2 PvP Meta by the way? Finished my Corsair yesterday and now I do my Pmk2.
It will be Pacifiers, but what blueprint?
I thought about 4x overcharged, one each incendiary and drag, the c2 highcap corrosive, and two what... oversized?
OC and since you have the corrosion, drag, incendiary covered, probably dealers choice.
Might be worth considering drag on a pacifier though if you land those more often to basically keep a perma-status since drag has no cooldown.
Ah you mean T-1000 was replaced by Space Costner!
Hate to mention this, but, pretty sure there is a crazy amount of cheating going on right now.
I had https://s.orbis.zone/qX3A destroyed in under 20 seconds by a single Python2. They appeared to be using a very typical frag/pa gank build. It's not an ideal setup for PvP, but, it should be relatively gank proof as long as I leave as soon as attacked. Which I did. I generally don't have time for PvP, (PvP in ED is boring to me), so I typically just leave. No panic, just a bored sigh, then high wake, same as I have been doing for a decade. I failed to escape in a ship that should be nearly impossible to stop from leaving by a single attacker without something fishy happening.
I had https://s.orbis.zone/qX3A destroyed in under 20 seconds by a single Python2. They appeared to be using a very typical frag/pa gank build. It's not an ideal setup for PvP, but, it should be relatively gank proof as long as I leave as soon as attacked. Which I did. I generally don't have time for PvP, (PvP in ED is boring to me), so I typically just leave. No panic, just a bored sigh, then high wake, same as I have been doing for a decade. I failed to escape in a ship that should be nearly impossible to stop from leaving by a single attacker without something fishy happening.
Interesting.
I recently ran into a Ganker with a FAS which was going faster than my Corsair, which shouldn't be possible.
The Corsair didn't have drag yet, so it was at around 575, instead of 600, but still, a FAS in combat trim should not gain fast on it at all.
It is all quite fishy atm.
If you have reasonable suspicion of cheating then please report it.
However situations described here arent (afaik) unheard of (even fas can reach 575), so please be considerate with bothering the nice people at fdev support.
However situations described here arent (afaik) unheard of (even fas can reach 575), so please be considerate with bothering the nice people at fdev support.
I am also not a pvp player as it often lackes context. There seems to be no roleplay or powerplay incentive it just seems to be people hanging roud engineering locations and blowing up players as they try to land or take off.
That being said I have to agree with gorankar on this one as I also play PUBG now and then which is known for its cheating you see things happen in game that just don't feel right.
I get that same feeling in ED now let me be clear it's not so much about skill for as I recognise most would very likely be able to defeat me.
Like op states the sheer speed in which a more than reasonably buffed ship gets destroyed is beyond rediculous sometimes as in you have no time to even react in litteral seconds you explode.
It's just a bit to much and I also wonder if it is possible to cheat
My go to for damage is frags. As long as you don't waste ammo shooting from more than 500m from your target then they are king. If you want to fire at greater range though, they are not the weapon to use. You can always apply the thermal mod to do more damage to shields over hull, but in general i've found its not really necessary, although there are edge cases like those Elite Pythons in combat zones who spam SCBs, they can be a tad annoying.
I've also become a big fan of SRB Cytos.... again, you need to be close, but by George, they absoloutely strip shields.
I've also become a big fan of SRB Cytos.... again, you need to be close, but by George, they absoloutely strip shields.
Ouch. That's really sad unfortunately. There's no way 8k of shields with decent resistances should fall to frags/pa in 20 seconds.
Just another reason to stay out of open unfortunately.
A FAS in combat trim usually doesn't reach 575 and and can't gain significant on a fleeing Corsair. But it was fishy at best, not definitely cheating, so I didn't report it
Losing a 8k Cutter in 20 seconds is also possible, but also fishy.
Such reports come up occasionally and FDs stance on not commenting doesn't help to quell rumors.
wholeheartedly agree.A FAS in combat trim usually doesn't reach 575 and and can't gain significant on a fleeing Corsair. But it was fishy at best, not definitely cheating, so I didn't report it
Losing a 8k Cutter in 20 seconds is also possible, but also fishy.
Such reports come up occasionally and FDs stance on not commenting doesn't help to quell rumors.
i too think that a more stern approach towards cheaters would be apt (but how can one judge with almost no info, right?)
its a pitty that, if nothing else, there isnt a place on the official forum for reporting suspicious activity, because "nAmiNg aNd ShaMinG is bad :C"
last mmo i played had public announcements for punished players and publicly accessible jail where they were engaging in "correction" activities. and i think it was good.
i understand that calling out someone isnt always the best discourse, i just think this should be an exception.
if i can get harassed by cmdrs and a mod in hotel california for things i didnt say, the forum should be able to handle a reasonable suspicion thread...
otherwise as i said: if its reasonable, report it. i dont want cheaters in my game either. and while i understand that support can get overwhelmed, and trailblazers isnt probably a peace and quiet for them, this is (part of) why we have them. they are (hopefully) paid, let them earn the money
I can confirm there is increased cheat activity right now, compared to last 5 years.
There is absolutely no way for non-cheated p2, to kill such bulid that much fast, even if you would not had any pips in SYS. Congratz, you meet an cheater.
Can you PM me that p2 cmdr name? Im simply wonder if I have this cmdr in my personal cheater list.
There no way for FAS be this much fast, those things get 550-560, when max hulled and fully loaded. Congratz, you meet an cheater.
I also ask if you too you PM me this FAS cmdr name. Same reason as above.
(It will be used for future reporting, well as for "psychological" warfare in system chat in event if they dare to speak at it, as I will make sure they are known as cheaters, and spread the word - as this always helps them getting banned, sooner or later. No mercy for them.)
I can see them more and more often these days.
Yeah, right now, there is bunch of those, PVP-wannabe tryhards who are mostly on alternates accounts, who uses cheat engine to "tweak" thier ships stats, either minimaly, like %5 faster speed or slightly more distro regen, or outright go all out, with vettes going faster than FDL's, or extreme dmg setups (I had cheater cobra wich once one-shoted my cutter with single rail strike) Some are caution and less obvious, but still beyond what is not possible, with present loadout.
Most often I can recall is "minimal extra speed" + "disto hack" with really heavy bulids, like prismatics p2 or FDL, wich go fast as 575 or 580 - wich is not possible even with lightweight ones.
For some reason, those "abnormal" speedy cmdrs, also somehow, often can permaboost, fire thier all PA's non-stop (dont get overheat while so) at same time, while taking dmg themselfs, as if they had atleast 5000 MJ with 50% all resists, while keeping 4 SYS. Quite wonderus it is, an miracle indeed.
Thing is, I know every meta, every ship, every bulid, and know everything what they can do or not, especially such as how fast they should be... or or how much dmg & time it would take to kill, etc. given using loadouts, when vs mine I use at moment.
Maybe because I really did my homework about every single of ships and bulids and general combat game mechanics, or maybe because I fought with every possible meta, thousands of times, so I know very well, what these can do or not, and more importantly, how fast they should be. I can spot much as 5 m/s being too fast, for speed alone.
That how I am able to spot those noobs (no matter how clever they think they are, no one can fool me when using cheats if happen to "tweak" too much). I report them every single time, If seen at open.
Premium users are very easy to notice and are certainly not "I win buttons", as some might think it is... that being said, for many gankers and PVP'ers premium is standard.
In fact, when doing organic PVP of any kind (wich including being randomly attacked), it should be always assumed that hostile cmdrs uses premiums, every time if they use weapons that can be premium boosted.
Thing is... cheaters can "mimic" it as well. But there are cases when cheaters goes beyond premium realm, in terms of dmg they do, and sadly, those are more often to meet right now.
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in these two situations i am impartial. when adressing cheating or exploits you dont punish improbable behaviour, you punish only impossible behaviour.
so (with all due respect) until id have a solid confirmation that that was indeed the ship flown, that it wasnt going straight with 0 pips in sys and that it wasnt actually more than 20 seconds, id hold my judgement.
same way until id have confirmed that that wasnt a superlight fas, which can easily get to 575, id hold my judgement.
but thats not a thing we can find out in here and the place that can find and confirm those things, can much more easily check if there were actual exploits engaged.
so while i too would like to find out if there is a match between the culprits and any possible cheaters list, if you judge all cheaters based on assumptions, id doubt its legitimacy. not to mention that, as far as i know, changing cmdr name is not an unachievable feat for cheaters.
so (with all due respect) until id have a solid confirmation that that was indeed the ship flown, that it wasnt going straight with 0 pips in sys and that it wasnt actually more than 20 seconds, id hold my judgement.
same way until id have confirmed that that wasnt a superlight fas, which can easily get to 575, id hold my judgement.
but thats not a thing we can find out in here and the place that can find and confirm those things, can much more easily check if there were actual exploits engaged.
so while i too would like to find out if there is a match between the culprits and any possible cheaters list, if you judge all cheaters based on assumptions, id doubt its legitimacy. not to mention that, as far as i know, changing cmdr name is not an unachievable feat for cheaters.
Not going to name and shame, the rules, and while I am pretty sure, I am not 100%sure.
I had 4 pips in sys and 2 in engines btw. Standard escape procedure for a shield tank. It may have been more than 20 seconds, but I hit the last targeted system key on my throttle, then immediately hit the high wake button. If it was more than 20 seconds it was not much more. I don't think I was suffering from too much lag, but can't be sure of that either.
Extremely suspicious, but not certain.
I had 4 pips in sys and 2 in engines btw. Standard escape procedure for a shield tank. It may have been more than 20 seconds, but I hit the last targeted system key on my throttle, then immediately hit the high wake button. If it was more than 20 seconds it was not much more. I don't think I was suffering from too much lag, but can't be sure of that either.
Extremely suspicious, but not certain.
Cutter with that much of shields like that, when doing high wake, can even standstill, and not moving at all, and even if would had nothing at SYS at all, by time FSD would be charged, still should have some shields left and I doubt that this cutter pilot, have been this much green to make such mistakes, after claiming being able evade gankers for years, in such bulid. I dont think this cmdr lied there.
FAS in question was faster than this, as Bigmaec did said they where catching up to his Corsair wich did 575 at time.
Superlight FAS are not used much outside organized wing fights (or organized ganks 4v1 where they hardly can be in danger), and are not really popular, cuz they die really fast (noticable weaker than usual FAS) when focused, and cant really outtank meta P2 or FDL's otherwise... FAS only when fully hulled up, can somewhat have chance to last enough before they can take down prismatic shield tanks, and thier hull afterwards. These are not meant for use in 1v1 against something that can outtank it, otherwise would be surely more popular, wich arent.
But this also means, maybe that FAS was gank only speed focused bulid with about half of usual hull? (to have enough speed to outrun corsair) It is certainly possible, but again, given trends of bulids used these days by current generation of gankers, most of them would go simply with full hull route, or funny hull, thus being fast as 560ish only, in order to be able being both gank and PVP viable.
Superlight FAS cant move around on thier own, since with lowest 2T fuel tank and lowest & lightest FSD they usually carry, means no high wake ability either (and this can be fatal, especially in organic PVP). Everything that is not plant, thrusters & distro must be D rated. HRP cant be fully HD either, as mass adds really quickly....
While its not unusual to have such setups used by PVP'ers, its very unusual for typical ganker to drop ability to high wake, just for some extra speed.. it does not add up.
Oh yes, there is also funny hull variant, but that require mirrored bulkheads instead lightweight HD (mirrored wich already puts too much mass)
Whenever I am doubted or not, matters not. Facts are facts.
So far, seen (and reported) quite dozens of cheaters, and it could took up to few years for some of them to be finnaly banned, but its usually up to few months, when mass reported... I dont recall "suspecting" anyone to be cheater, who would be turned out to be not one, simply because I can see and tell diffrence between legit cmdr and cheater, even if its very subtle...
Some of wich, used to be "well-known and respected" PVP'ers, who only happens to "only" used cheats, when against those whom they "dont like" and could not handle in 1v1 (they hated me for sure).. while if some that trash was outright going all out with cheats, causing mayhem for short while, these went down really fast, and never seen again.
Cheaters can change names? Sure they can, same as they can turn into hydra at will. Still, if they change thier names, its still "unautorized" and surely makes them even easier to track and be banned by Frontier, when reported enough.
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