What's up with planetary scans (DSS) "forgetting themselves"?

[wilkatis]

So, I'm insane enough to just scan every planet along the way.
Every once in a while a planet / moon I've DSS'd "forgets" this and shows up as "You have not yet mapped this planet", but only after I've either re-logged or possibly jumped out of the system (not sure if I've seen this in a single session, I rarely check behind me after jumping).
Accidentally missing a planet is quite easy to do which is why I re-check if I've scanned them after every star & before jumping to the next system. Even if all of them are listed as "You have mapped this planet" I can now look back at systems scanned and see random planets saying they're not scanned. Extra obvious for multiple-bodies-in-one-spot cases like 2x planet / planet + moon / moon + moon-moon where one of them is scanned and the other one isn't.
And now, the most obvious case I've seen yet - Monday evening, finished my run by DDS-ing planets 1 -> 2 -> 2a -> check that they all are DSS'd -> land on 2a, drive around, take off -> check that they all are DSS'd -> log out. Just now log in -> check that they all are DSS'd -> 1 & 2a are, 2 is "You have not yet mapped this planet".

What the hell.

 

[Edelgard von Rhein]

How long were you in the system? It can take a while for tags to load.
It is often the case when I first arrive in a system that I don't see a first mapped tag on the innermost planet but, after scanning everything, I load up the system map and see that the planet does have a first mapped tag after all.
I have seen cases where one of my own tags has disappeared but I've still been able to see the full surface map and have assumed it was just slow loading.
If tags (and mapped status) are actually being lost, that's a serious bug that needs fixing!

 

[wilkatis]

How long were you in the system? It can take a while for tags to load.

• Don't have to be in the system, looking back at these systems through galaxy map shows the same result
• If I go back to the system (or as in "mondays / todays case" when I was already next to one of the planets moons so didn't have to fly far to return) I can go to the planet and scan it as if that's the 1st time I'm doing it

If tags (and mapped status) are actually being lost, that's a serious bug that needs fixing!

Exactly what I'm suspecting. And god damn does that feel disappointing

 

[Sapyx]

Never heard of this happening, but then, I rarely Map planets and certainly never Map an entire system. I always fully FSS a system, though. Got any screenshots for evidence? I realise it's hard to take screenshots from before it happened, since it's random.

The other thing to check is whether or not you actually get credit, in both senses of that word, for the "missing" planets. FOr example, in that system you cited above where 1 and 2a are Mapped but 2 is not. When you sell the data, do you get credits rewarded for the "missing" map of planet 2? and does your name appear as "First Mapped By" afterwards?

 

[Vetinari]

Only if its mapped as in blue in Analysis mode, otherwise it wont count it as mapped.

sounds like a bug if youre confident its happening. Doesnt EDSM or Inara have a log you can check on? Dont PC have log files? Would show if you did map it originally then submit a report.

Never had it happen or notice it happen anyway.

 

[wilkatis]

Got any screenshots for evidence? I realise it's hard to take screenshots from before it happened, since it's random.

Planning to just start recording hours upon hours of gameplay till this happens again. Currently lack any screens / videos for past cases as - just like you said - hard to take note of stuff that's still in the future

The other thing to check is whether or not you actually get credit, in both senses of that word, for the "missing" planets. FOr example, in that system you cited above where 1 and 2a are Mapped but 2 is not. When you sell the data, do you get credits rewarded for the "missing" map of planet 2? and does your name appear as "First Mapped By" afterwards?

Forgot to mention this in the OP, it doesn't actually credit me the planet when turning the info in. That's exactly how I found my 1st cases couple weeks back - sold the info, looked back at couple random systems that were supposed to be fully scanned and noticed a few planets missing the tag. Wrote it off as "Must have simply missed them" at that point, and re-scanned one of them.

Only if its mapped as in blue in Analysis mode, otherwise it wont count it as mapped.

Yeah, they are. I make sure they are before leaving the star in multi-star systems, and then again before jumping to the next system. And then they just "forget" that status...

Doesnt EDSM or Inara have a log you can check on? Dont PC have log files?

Not sure, I'm still relatively new to this. If there are - I'd be happy if someone pointed me towards them.

Never had it happen or notice it happen anyway.

Yeah, the randomness of it would make it quite difficult to notice if you don't just scan every planet along the way.

 

[Ydiss]

Something similar has happened to me (I think?)

A few weeks ago I visited the shard sites for the first time. I took the surface scanner with me and fully mapped each planet I needed to.

I successfully saved my data by selling it on my return.

I've just returned to get some more but didn't bother to equip the surface scanner and am a little annoyed to see that none of the geo or bio sites show on my nav panel (no filters applied), despite it showing as mapped.

Is this normal? Do I need to bring the surface scanner every time and rescan the body to view the poi locations?

I didn't need to do this last time (I revisited within the same day after trading down)

 

[Faded Glory]

Is this normal? Do I need to bring the surface scanner every time and rescan the body to view the poi locations?

You don't need to map the body again, but yes you do need to have a DSS equipped for the sites you previously mapped to show up.

 

[Ydiss]

You don't need to map the body again, but yes you do need to have a DSS equipped for the sites you previously mapped to show up.

Thanks. That's a bit backwards.

I've tried checking a couple FCs here but two so far don't sell them or ran out of stock....

Time to spend an hour returning then I guess.

Edit... Inara suggests they're being sold so let's see if they're up to date!

 

[Faded Glory]

Thanks. That's a bit backwards.

I've tried checking a couple FCs here but two so far don't sell them or ran out of stock....

Time to spend an hour returning then I guess.

That rather sucks... Sorry.

I always made sure that any ship I was likely to use for material gathering had it permanently equipped, and of course an SRV. Since they were typically exploration ships that wasn't an issue... I realize this doesn't help you. ☹

 

[Ydiss]

That rather sucks... Sorry.

I always made sure that any ship I was likely to use for material gathering had it permanently equipped, and of course an SRV. Since they were typically exploration ships that wasn't an issue... I realize this doesn't help you. ☹

No I appreciate your help. At least I know the reason now.

It just makes no logical sense whatsoever. They're permanent sites. You've mapped the surface. It should always be there for you from then on. And nothing in the game tells you this, so it's just guesswork as to what's going on.

I did try the fleet carriers listed on Inara. All of them except one showed nothing on the surface scanner page (despite showing the category). I finally found one that showed the surface scanner and was momentarily ready to praise fleet carriers... bought it...

...

So yeh...I'm not surprised about that.

Elite Dangerous: Learning the hard way since 2014.

 

[Ydiss]

So I did a Hobbit, went there and back to Ngobe, bought the scanner and headed back.

The poi's are showing fine now.

As annoying as this learning experience was, the trip wasn't totally wasted. I got over 3m exploration data and I found a couple ELs on the way.

The scanner is now superglued in permanently.