Well, the fact that you're playing the game suggests that backers' money has been paid back, right?
Where did it all go wrong?
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Well, the fact that you're playing the game suggests that backers' money has been paid back, right?
I held on to that expectation for way too long. It wasn't until I saw the announcement of Horizons that I started to change my perspective. Even right up to the Gamescon announcement I was jumping around a bunch of threads spreading (now false) hope that the "full game" would come with the announcement. Was I blind to what FD had said before, probably. But now I realize what FD is doing...there is a lot yet to unfold.
I do wish FD would have been clearer or managed expectations a bit better. Shrewd marketing tactics, maybe...but could just as easily been some poorly planned communication, which is kind of their MO anyway.
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This. OP's facts and assumptions are just plainly inaccurate. Another inflammatory and pointless thread.
I am not playing the game, I will wait until it becomes what I bought and try again, I am playing games I enjoy until that time but I'd like to participate in the direction that ED takes by offering input and expressing my opinions if that's ok. Even if it isn't ok.
When the DDF was active, I think even FDEV got over enthusiastic and overly optimistic regarding of what can be implemented.
I believe that the problems with networking took vastly more dev resources than anticipated even in the most pessimistic estimates FD had made, thus making them to do a reality check during Beta phase. That reality check resulted in some DDA (and even KS) features to be delayed, and some features to be dropped entirely. IMHO biggest problem in that is that they haven't told us what features are definitely dropped (apart from the offline mode) and what merely delayed. Maybe they don't know themselves.
Caused some ruckus then, but most have more or less moved on since. Made me drop the rose-tinted glasses though, got a dose of healthy scepticism into my thinking.
It's a common problem. CIG thought they'd release a complete Star Citizen in November 2014.
Now I'm not a games programmer, but even I know that was never going to happen. I think that even end 2016 is a bit ambitious --they better get cracking...Frontier also was crazy ambitious and I agree it underestimated the task at hand. So did many of the gamers --and many still do.
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It's more than a basic "mismanagement of expectations." If the original plan for these extensive forums was just a "wish list," then it was deliberately misleading investors. One key perks of backing was the ability to participate in those decision forums - to have a tangible effect on development. This was a KS promise for £300 or higher backers. And now, these decisions are being dismissed as mere "wishes," in favor of a completely divergent road of development (ports, PowerPlay, CQC, etc.)?
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Bait and switch, it isn't anything new. Ethical businesses (and people) need not employ such immoral tactics.
I personally have always thought that having no good way to hint upcoming gameplay mechanics is a weakness. However, I hope way they have pushed info since Horizons is sign of change. Dev questions threads have helped a lot too. I hope community management understands how big sales and hype potential hides in giving small doses of new gameplay info. For me they still learning how to do this. Maybe there was easier way, but well, FD is FD - it is their path. For now I am cool, just waiting for them to give some closure to essential things I think still missing from core game - 2nd tier NPCs and wrecks. Everything else is built around these two things, and landing of them will give some closure.
Oooor... you could just add ALL the wishes! This is what CIG is doing, with a consequent feature/objective creep that is more inexorable than black mould in a damp bathroom. At some point you have to hit deadlines and ship product, else your backers will really start to feel ripped off.
Sorry Leto, you are closing to my ignore list very fast and your ignorance really doesn't help. First of all, perk was to take part in DDF - *not* to call shots in development, FD said they will decide how to do development since day one. Read KS descriptions more carefully. During KS FD released multiple statements clarifying what exactly DDF was for them. Second, DDF is a wishlist. However, when one of these features re implemented, they usually resemble feature described in DDF rather well. Not so highly detailed, but that's how wish lists always are.
As for "completely divergent road" is nonsense. DDF doesn't have wrecks. But it is feature hinted during KS. DDF doesn't have description of PowerPlay or Community Goals - but again, it was feature described during KS. Not *all* features were put in DDF for discussion - Thargoids? Nope. Flight model? Not really. Some things FD left to decide for themselves - again, FD said this since day one.
So PowerPlay and Community Goals were planned all along. They are not fully fleshed out yet, not their full potential, but intent has always been there.
CQC? It's been small, exclusive content they designed for XBO first and it turned out to be very smart move to bring it to PC too. How anything in DDF or anywhere else forbid existence of CQC - I would like to know.
If you don't dig long term plan of FD - then say it. Stop trying to "explain" how they lost their way, because these guys are masters with sticking with their word.
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Nonsense. FD has been very clear about who's calling shots for DDF. There was big misunderstanding during KS as people wanted FD to specify what DDF will be. FD didn't state anything beyond that it will be design decision forum for helping to flesh out the game. It didn't say anything about making decisions, or making calls for which feature to implement first.
As Pecisk said FD has been always upfront about it not being actual development plan; so how is it bait and switch?
The backers did get to *participate* in the discussions, the debate on micro jumps vs SC etc etc
Are you saying that FD had to implement any suggestion made by that forum for it to be true to their word?
Is that a realistic expectation for you to have?
And How are you two slighted by any of this anyway?
Are you feeling wronged on behalf of other people?
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Just for the record, PowerPlay introduced Tier 1 NPCs which happen to be part of the DDF.
I don't believe anything has gone Left.
It's so sad that it should reminded so frequently. Persistent NPC system is constantly improving and I hope for web of contacts very soon.
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Is tier 1 npcs pictures?
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I don't believe anything has gone Left.
I don't believe anything has gone under the bed. But I will check it anyway....
(after 2 minutes)
I KNEW IT!
AI wingmen for hire are high on my wishlist.
For Perspective
The only way I would believe nothing has gone right was if there was no game and the project cancelled.
c.f. Yogventures
Even producing something, things have gone right somewhere
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