Who was responsible for the simplest mission design with built in stupidity?

Morbad

Morbad
Always use the lawn, never the driveway.

Much of the game is a ridiculous collection of shallow, overly formulaic, mechanisms. However, the fact that this literal approach to C&P seems to emulate the reality that law enforcement is far more interested in finding an excuse to punish people...for something, for anything...than being useful, exercising basic reasoning, or taking context into account, is one of the more believable aspects of this ostensibly dystopian setting.

At least you didn't have a stroke while driving.
 

metatheurgist

metatheurgist
Morbad said:
However, the fact that this literal approach to C&P seems to emulate the reality that law enforcement is far more interested in finding an excuse to punish people...for something, for anything...than being useful, exercising basic reasoning, or taking context into account, is one of the more believable aspects of this ostensibly dystopian setting.
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If only that was intentional....
 

CMDR Voron

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B.Roberts said:
Some missions require more thinking than others, this is normal. Fly over before landing and scout the area. Land offsite and take a walk. Sometimes I'd land further out and use SRV if possible, or just keep on hiking. Do any kind of violence or whatever it is you going to do and leave (preferably quietly). Nobody messing around with your ship. No angry scavengers, no defense turrets. The only time I use landing pad is when I'm delivering something and I need access to the settlement's mission board or other facilities.
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That’s a huge cop out. Idk if you didn’t read what the OP said, but the complexity of the mission is not a factor in the crime, hud or info systems

yes if you play a lot you get an intuitive understanding of the Ody settlements because they’re all cookie cutter, that’s not a mark of superior intellect or an excuse for the underlying systems having issues?
 

Scoob

Scoob
You're lucky, my first experience with an on-foot mission didn't start as an on-foot mission. I'd been doing regular space ship bounty missions. You know, hunt the Pirate in space, and destroy him and his buddies in space. Just a regular assassination mission. IN SPACE. I search through missions, find a couple in the same system, both standard "Assassinate Known Pirate blah" type thing, telling us to jump to the system and scan the Nav Beacon. I jump to the target system as instructed and go to scan the beacon but then realise a I guidance to a location in the system. Odd. However, this is where the bait and switch occurred! I was sent to a GROUND installation to kill a spaceship... except now a Spaceship wasn't my target. I didn't know targets could land and get out on foot lol.

Basically, something went REALLY wrong, and a number of regular Assassination Missions (vs. guys in Spaceships) changed to on foot missions. Had this occur several times, wondered what the hell was going on as I did fully read the briefing. I totally regular Assassination Mission briefing, read thoroughly. Jump to target system and it changed to an on-foot mission. Totally put me off trying Assassination missions... not done one since, and I used to really like those. Of course, when I aborted the bugged mission, I LOST standing and had to regain it again - I was trying to raise standing to a certain level for a certain thing at the time. This was quite some time ago now, before any of the new ships were a thing and before the whole Titan event... time flies.

Anyway, that's my little rant about on-foot missions that weren't advertised as such. I have basically zero interest in actual on-foot missions, which is why I never select them. Perhaps things are better now than the early-days of Odyssey, but there were a lot of issue back then.
 

Kira Goto

Kira Goto
Scoob said:
I jump to the target system as instructed and go to scan the beacon but then realise a I guidance to a location in the system. Odd. However, this is where the bait and switch occurred! I was sent to a GROUND installation to kill a spaceship... except now a Spaceship wasn't my target. I didn't know targets could land and get out on foot lol.
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Sounds more like you took one of the missions where you’re told to run a scan of a specific device at a Horizons “Hub” (very different from Odyssey settlements and little to no on-foot interactivity) without realizing it. They do that. Then after the scan you’re guided to your target.
 

Scoob

Scoob
Kira Goto said:
Sounds more like you took one of the missions where you’re told to run a scan of a specific device at a Horizons “Hub” (very different from Odyssey settlements and little to no on-foot interactivity) without realizing it. They do that. Then after the scan you’re guided to your target.
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It does sound a bit like that, but that's not what happened. I took a regular ship assassination mission but, after I jumped to the target system the objective (and briefing) changed into a totally different mission type. So, from "Scan the Nav Beacon" in the Mission I actually took, to flying to a surface settlement after I jumped. Happened more than once.

So, mission I was offered (and accepted) was simply a regular Jump here, scan Nav Beacon to find target ship. After arriving in the target system the briefing changed to a different mission type, asking me to fly to a surface settlement and basically take someone out on foot.

I initially thought I might have miss-clicked and accidentally accepted a different mission to the one I read the briefing for. However, when it happened several times - with me carefully checking the briefing rather than just scanning it, I confirmed it was indeed some sort of bug and the mission had changed entirely vs. what I actually accepted. Sounds weird, and it was weird, yet it still happened.
 

Kira Goto

Kira Goto
I’ve never encountered the regular missions getting a twist of needing to visit any surface location so I’m not sure what that’s about. Though, also been a while since I’ve run any as it often is for BGS ends. (Also being lazy about quoting, sorry)
 

GraXXoR

GraXXoR
metatheurgist said:
I never use the landing pads when doing missions at dead sites. Not because I think it's silly that the pads are somehow still active but because why would I waste the time docking properly at a pad potentially a long way from my objective when I can just park it next to the building I want to go to. Even if I'm doing a mission at a live site and there's no reason for me to dock I don't do that either. 🤷‍♂️
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THe base was in the mountains. the landing pad was the only flat zone within about 500m~1km
 

Lahgtah

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Ned Flandalorian said:
Don't even need to do that, there's this thing that a lot of people never bother to learn about called the FSS...
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Honking the horn and manually 'discovering' planets didn't work either.
The mission went like this: go scan nav beacon(which involved turning my ship upsided down to get close enough, and getting a trespassing fine), then go to a different system to find the guy. Didn't get any mission sources right away, so I went to the nav beacon, scrolled the left nav panel and still nothing. Honked the horn and looked for signal sources as well as discovering the planets, still nothing.

So, the only remaining thing left to do would be to use a surface scanner, similar to how it's really the only reliable way to discover certain planet landmarks like crashed ships.
 

Ned Flandalorian

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Lahgtah said:
Honking the horn and manually 'discovering' planets didn't work either.
The mission went like this: go scan nav beacon(which involved turning my ship upsided down to get close enough, and getting a trespassing fine), then go to a different system to find the guy. Didn't get any mission sources right away, so I went to the nav beacon, scrolled the left nav panel and still nothing. Honked the horn and looked for signal sources as well as discovering the planets, still nothing.

So, the only remaining thing left to do would be to use a surface scanner, similar to how it's really the only reliable way to discover certain planet landmarks like crashed ships.
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Something doesn't add up here because you're mixing up details of space and on-foot (Odyssey) missions.
The missions where you get told to scan a facility first in order to locate the target are always for ship combat. The target would not be on-foot on a planet's surface, they would be flying around the system somewhere.

(And you're meant to scan the terminal at the facility with an SRV, that's why the mission says "SRV required"; if you insist on doing it with your ship instead, that's your own problem.)
 

Lahgtah

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Ned Flandalorian said:
(And you're meant to scan the terminal at the facility with an SRV, that's why the mission says "SRV required"; if you insist on doing it with your ship instead, that's your own problem.)
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Nowhere at all did it say "SRV required" in its description.
Nowhere was there a mission objective to be seen in FSS or the navigation panel upon arrival to the system either.
Was just given a "the target's somewhere in this system" basically and nothing else to go off of. Not even a hint at which worlds they might be near.
Don't gaslight me.
 
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Shir

Shir
Just watch a couple of YouTube videos on the type of mission you're trying to do and you'll be fine. Or dive right in and improvise.. that's fun too in it's own way.

Been playing Elite for years and there's still tons of stuff I can't do, or I've forgotten how to..
 

Calebe

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The way I do these missions, is I ask for landing clearance and land on the pad. Usually for me I get scavengers (even when I don't get the message that some arrived). I wait a minute and if attacked use the SRV and leave ship, dismiss ship and back off, and pick them off. I do like to run them over if they are in the open. Then do mission. As for why the auto landing works, is because like the power console it is on backup power, so the base is always ready for ships in case of a power outage etc.. It makes sense for backup power for a critical operation and the landing is of course computer control and no people required. As this is in the far future backup power could last months at least. (Hand wavium).

Word of caution even if you take out the scavengers while your restoring power more can and often do arrive. So always be on the lookout for that. Also while there go through and loot every locker. I just wish they would lower the times on data to download.
 

Lahgtah

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sidereal6 said:
I don’t suppose you’d care to record yourself doing a mission and upload it somewhere?

Alternately, I don’t suppose you’d care to post a screenshot of the mission?
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It's been like a week or so since I did this, a screenshot is impossible.
Likewise, idk why I'd have to make a video of it. Just pick up an assasination mission that involves scanning a hub and you'll see it for yourself. After such a foul experience, I'm not doing one ever again; tried just about every type of on-foot mission by now and hate almost all of them. This one was the final straw.
 

sidereal6

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Lahgtah said:
idk why I'd have to make a video of it.
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For two reasons:

First, as this guy said above:
Ned Flandalorian said:
Something doesn't add up here because you're mixing up details of space and on-foot (Odyssey) missions.
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To put that another way, some of the things you're saying are confusing to us and that's making it hard to help you.

That's not necessarily your fault. You're new, so this is understandable. My only point is, when you're new to any game, it's better to post screenshots than to try to describe what you saw. You could be new to Minecraft and having trouble, but if the Minecraft forum gets confused about what you're asking, they won't be able to help.

Second reason: if I try to help you by showing you how to do this mission, there's a very, very good chance that you're gonna say, "that's not the same kind of mission I had."

On the other hand, you know where you got the mission, so all you have to do is go back there and find a duplicate. Minor factions tend to give the same mission over and over again for a few weeks, until the system state changes. So you could find a duplicate mission and take a screenshot. I probably can't do it.
 

GraXXoR

GraXXoR
Calebe said:
The way I do these missions, is I ask for landing clearance and land on the pad. Usually for me I get scavengers (even when I don't get the message that some arrived). I wait a minute and if attacked use the SRV and leave ship, dismiss ship and back off, and pick them off. I do like to run them over if they are in the open. Then do mission. As for why the auto landing works, is because like the power console it is on backup power, so the base is always ready for ships in case of a power outage etc.. It makes sense for backup power for a critical operation and the landing is of course computer control and no people required. As this is in the far future backup power could last months at least. (Hand wavium).

Word of caution even if you take out the scavengers while your restoring power more can and often do arrive. So always be on the lookout for that. Also while there go through and loot every locker. I just wish they would lower the times on data to download.
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once youve done a mission once or twice it becomes fairly simple

I just found it odd that you had to request permission to land from a completely powerless (apart from the docking computer , apparently) settlement...
It was a rookie mistake but I could imagine it adding to the frustration of a noob player


Just yesterday for example, my commander wast told to stand still for a scan
the commander stood still but after 2 minutes no scan came...

The moment she moved she and her ship were destroyed and she was sent to a penal colony ship.

ED on foot really feels more of an afterthought even after 4 years....
 
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