Why Aiming in FA OFF with a Stick is a huge disadvantage

TEBORI

TEBORI
this is not about skill its about game mechanics and technics.
the topic here is newtonien flying and better support for stick players in view of rotation. pvp and combat is just one aspect.
this does not effect only pvp players.
 

TEBORI

TEBORI
toogling is not newtonien flying. i hope you can agree at least on this.
there is no brake pedal in space
 

Deleted member 192138

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FAOff isn't true Newtonian flight either. Otherwise we wouldn't have speed limitations or the stall effect on manoeuvring when at or near speed cap which determines so much about picking optimal flight paths and methods. Nor would landing gear and cargo scoop impose further speed limitation. Elite doesn't offer true Newtonian flight, it offers a gamified pseudo-Newtonian model. If you want true Newtonian flight I suggest researching other games.
 

TEBORI

TEBORI
@Barnard17
ok i think you are the troll here
of course newtonien flying inside the speed limitations.
but inside this limits its definitly newtonien flying

and again. toogling is no option to sort this problem
 

Snowymonk

Snowymonk
PC Master race problem

If people complain that K+M players have such a significent advantage over Hotas / controller players - be careful what you wish for.

There is a simple answer - remove support for K+M to fly (you can still have it for jump, supercruise, cargo hatch etc) and level the playing field for all.
 

Crimson Kaim

Crimson Kaim
I've been using a hotas setup exclusively for my entire gametime I have in elite and I can say that yes, it seems easier for MnK users to aim in FAoff with relative mouse but no, the difference is barely noticeable for me.
There are advantages and disadvantages for every input setup. It would be weird if it wouldn't as different setups would then imply absolute equality in difficulty of use for all areas.
Then the next question is, what is the purpose of this thread? I fail to understand the intention behind it when stating something that is correct to some degree but doesn't come with an appeal or something similar. As an informative post, it might be worth a read but then this is in general discussions.

So my reactions is something like: "Yes, and ...?"
 

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TEBORI said:
@Barnard17
ok i think you are the troll here
of course newtonien flying inside the speed limitations.
but inside this limits its definitly newtonien flying

and again. toogling is no option to sort this problem
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Newtonian within the confines of not being Newtonian!

I think it's clear at this stage that you feel entitled to playing a game as something you fantasise about it being, rather than about playing the game as it is.
 

Snowymonk

Snowymonk
Crimson Kaim said:
...what is the purpose of this thread? I fail to understand the intention behind it when stating something that is correct to some degree but doesn't come with an appeal or something similar. As an informative post, it might be worth a read but then this is in general discussions.

So my reactions is something like: "Yes, and ...?"
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It's the Friday afternoon moan. There is no point to the majority of the threads on this board. Most of them are just people wanting to be heard.
 

Deleted member 192138

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Shields Offline said:
I know it's not what you meant, but I wonder what the CQC pros use.
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tbh a lot of claims are made about who users what and in what balance. I'd really like to see them backed up by a proper survey. All I can speak about is the people I know of and, at least of the PvP community, I'd estimate around 50% KB&M, most of the rest HOTAS but some very high level HOKAS and gamepad users there as well. There are other factor rather than simply being "KB&M is optimal" - a lot of people already own a KB&M set up, whereas a HOTAS worth using is a significant additional cost which many don't see as worth it for one game.
In general though - don't trust any numbers until we have an accurate survey we can break down to prove it all. Otherwise it's either gut feeling or propaganda.
 

Madrax573

Madrax573
TEBORI said:
@Barnard17
ok i think you are the troll here
of course newtonien flying inside the speed limitations.
but inside this limits its definitly newtonien flying

and again. toogling is no option to sort this problem
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Sorry but again I must disagree with you mate.

ED is not true Newtonian at all... Thrust profiles are assigned arbitrarily as ship stats, no consideration is taken into account for centre of mass and thruster placement.

The 'blue zone' boost to rotations etc is straight up space magic... This can be explained by the computer allowing faster rotations etc but still not true Newtonian at all...

The flight model is at best a gamified Newtonian and still one of the most fun I have played but true or full Newtonian it is not...
 

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Kenneth McGrew said:
Try FA off with an X-Box controller and let me know how that goes ;)
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I'm playing with one and FA Off is tricky enough beyond general floating about, but trying to aim weapons with it is just plain uncomfortable. Which is why I don't play perma FA off even though the idea is very appealing to me.

Aiming fixed weapons I'd difficult enough for me with FA On, with it off my targeting accuracy suffers greatly and it just becomes frustrating so I don't bother unless in specific circumstances (reverskiing interceptor swarms for example).
 

TEBORI

TEBORI
@Madrax573
all acceleration is kept until it is countered by an acceleration in the opposite direction.
thats basically what newtonien move is all about.
and this is the fact in the flight model in perma fa off
as soon you toogle this is not longer the fact.

this is what i meant.

before elite i played orbiter. this is a true realistic space sim for the ones who dont know. the flight model there of a simulated space shuttle is very similar to elite in perma fa off without boost and inside the speed limits.
 
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