Why Aiming in FA OFF with a Stick is a huge disadvantage

i didnt invite the ganker community to turn this thread in a typical show what they always do. its their typical behavier that they brigade things they dont want.
the thread has the task to get some useful impressions beside the brigading and undermining and some good posts were made. :)
 
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Sometimes I see videos like the ones L'Intouchable posted. Sometimes I think about coming back to Elite more regularly. Sometimes I think about getting back into Powerplay. Sometimes I think about getting into PVP properly.

Then you guys remind me why I lost interest.

Now I'm not even sure this thread or the previous one were started in good faith: I'm now suspecting that it's just one PVP group trying to rile up another with an intentionally inflammatory post and the rest of us just fell for it and got caught in the crossfire.

Thanks for that, OP.
You should come back and give PvP a try. Most of the community is actually pretty awesome until the Spear thugs show up, but until then, can I has your stuffs?
 
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@L'Intouchable
thanks and here exactly you see the problem
the oversteering in the pitch
Source: https://youtu.be/YBnWPkSFsSQ?t=142


this is much worse with stick
and you need tons of hours of practice to control it even like it is shown on that time index
with rel mode fully turned on to 100% on such oversteering is nearly impossible even if you do it wrong

Relative 100% lets you over correct easily too. Again, it just centers your inputs, it doesn't counter your inputs. Literally the same thing as a joystick. Relative mouse just means you can use a mouse to the same level of intuitiveness as a joystick.
 

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when this center is done the game mechanic als activates correction trust
Please evidence this claim.
I am still waiting.
You say this thread isn't about relative mouse but HOTAS but from the very beginning you've been asked for parity between control two mechanically different control inputs based on a claim you make of relative mouse functionality that does not exist in game. This is from the first post, bold mine:
Try it yourself and you will immediately notice the difference
This has nothing to do with any fine motor skills we have trained in using the mouse, but is solely due to the software support that the relative mouse provides.
Please stop spreading misinformation without proof.
 
i didnt invite the ganker community to turn this thread in a typical sxxt show what they always do. its their typical behavier that they brigade things they dont want.
the thread has the task to get some useful impressions beside the brigading and undermining and some good posts were made. :)
No, but you've invited G4NK to fight with you. So what does that say about your credibility?
 
well @L'Intouchable i guess we also can only agree to disagree here.

i think even if i would have a excel sheet which shows exactly the thrust what is given by move and counter move you would claim the same.
you can continue to try to undermine this but you will fail

and i ask myself personally why you all are so interested that frontiert does not introduce such a mode for stick altough experienced pilots like morbad or sanderling stated they are fine with it and see no problem and you all fly with relative mouse.
 
As a pvper who uses stick, this is utter nonsense. Relative mouse is fine. Stick is fine. Hell, controller is fine. There are top level pilots on all of these. It does not need to be changed.
also for you this is with TOOGLING

dont use your toogling any more then you are on topic
but you need your toogling otherwise your flight style does not work.
 
i didnt invite the ganker community to turn this thread in a typical **** show what they always do. its their typical behavier that they brigade things they dont want.
the thread has the task to get some useful impressions beside the brigading and undermining and some good posts were made. :)
Who are the gankers here? I see three broad categories of people: people providing evidence that you're wrong, people who comment on balance, and people who agree with you. The first two categories vastly outnumber the latter. Is your definition of ganker everybody in the first two categories? Am I a ganker?

If you make an incorrect statement, it's not "brigading" when people correct you. Accept the new knowledge gracefully, and move on.

Ok, good for you. Can I has your stuffs?
I'm holding out for Odyssey, hit me up if that flops.
 
i didnt invite the ganker community to turn this thread in a typical sxxt show what they always do. its their typical behavier that they brigade things they dont want.
the thread has the task to get some useful impressions beside the brigading and undermining and some good posts were made. :)
Thing is though, the ganking community actually takes part in PvP instead of high waking after losing one ring of shields, so I would argue we know more about the topic than anyone from Spear 🤷‍♂️
 
well @L'Intouchable i guess we also can only agree to disagree here.

i think even if i would have a excel sheet which shows exactly the thrust what is given by move and counter move you would claim the same.
you can continue to try to undermine this but you will fail

and i ask myself personally why you all are so interested that frontiert does not introduce such a mode for stick altough experienced pilots like morbad or sanderling stated they are fine with it and see no problem and you all fly with relative mouse.

You literally haven't posted any proof for you claims, whereas I have posted proof that they are lies. I am interested in this because you are A) lying to everyone and B) trying to introduce something which would make FA off easier with stick than with mouse. Self-correction is one of the pinacles of Elite's FA off system, it would be harmful to remove it.
 

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i think even if i would have a excel sheet which shows exactly the thrust what is given by move and counter move you would claim the same.
you can continue to try to undermine this but you will fail
I'll accept for scrutiny literally any evidence if you can demonstrate what it means and how it was collected. So far your evidence has been your ship wiggling while you boost at a star with no input nor output indicators whatsoever.
You are obsessed that anybody disagreeing with you must be a result of brigading by the griefer and ganker community. You disagree with people on principle of who you consider them to be, in open disregard of the evidence they provide that counters your baseless claims.
I'm still waiting for literally any meaningful proof that your claims about relative mouse are grounded in facts.
 
also for you this is with TOOGLING

dont use your toogling any more then you are on topic
but you need your toogling otherwise your flight style does not work.
My flight style takes advantage of the ability to toggle with stick, something that you cannot do with mouse. I can fly full fa off just fine though, as can the other top level pilots who use stick. Again, your argument that stick is somehow worse is nonsense.
 
As a pvper who uses stick, this is utter nonsense. Relative mouse is fine. Stick is fine. Hell, controller is fine. There are top level pilots on all of these. It does not need to be changed.
To add to that, I know two controller users that would absolutely destroy Akuma and his thugs if they stuck around long enough to actually fight.
 
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