Be fair, I never said not having Atmos Landings was a deal breaker.
Why atmospheric landings?
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If you disprove of anything in/not in ED, Stig will come for you. Don't feel singled out.
It sure was easier back then when everyone accepted that all graphics are bound to be abstractions rather than "real". Probably also one of the reasons why NMS choose the cartoonish style.
Greatest single moment in Sci Fi TV ever.
NMS' choice of graphic direction was probably a wise decision to stand out and not have to compete with the styling of it's competitors, SC and ED.
That too, but I bet it also is harder to make procedural alien flora and fauna that actually looks like it could be real. SC and ED of course haven't really addressed this issue, with ED having generic space pumpkins and Giger thargoids and SC - at least judging from what I have seen - just has good old Sci-Fi Trope of Space Vancouver.
You haven't disproven anything.
Why not - what happens in PG, stays in PG.
Subtly Shaded Skys, Sinister-looking Storm Systems, Sweet Sunsets, under which we can just scan shoot scoop? Atmospheres on their own add next to no gameplay, if you are stuck in a Ship, a Ship Launched Fighter or an SRV from whcih your only interactions are the scan/shoot/scoop. Sure there will be a new module (atmospheric shielding, possibly even a new flying technique for atmospheric entry, but once you are in the atmosphere, what can you do with it? I know, lets include earthlike worlds with full Biomes & diverse Ecosystems....
Hmm, we'd only get to scan/shoot/scoop anything contained there in. Legs first, then full planets with full interactivity, hunting alien species for sport / special meat for missions, swimming in the lakes and harvesting pearls from alien oyster equivalents, taking scientific research parties into the rainforests and climbing the trees there in, or delving into the depths of cave systems, on remote planets to take samples of new exotic xenobiological plants... To me that is what atmospheric planets ought to be, and that vision can never be created with the player symbiotically attached to a pilots seat.
AMEN brother, I also want both, but I want them in a specific order, I want Legs first so that when atmospheric planets are done, we can properly interact with everything contained there in, not just scan/shoot/scoop from the pilots seat of our Ship / SLF / SRV.
Me too - and I'm Scottish.
I know exactly what you mean, any tourist economy station and the trees are hideous, flat sprites cocked at various angles to represent "foliage", and its been like that since 2.1 :-(
If you look at the shapes of ships in game just now, they are aerodynamically horrific, not just your extreme cases like a Lakon Type {No.} but even more mundane stuff like a conda or an asp, or a vulture... Even something inherently aerodynamic, like a 737MAX uses the MCAS computer systems to
I still think it was a bit of a move to blame our opinions for (further) delays to content, surely they wouldn't do that again?
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The first part of that is pretty much what atmospheres before legs would be, it would be different coloured sky, varied coloured ground with more things on the surace for us to scan/shoot/scoop.
The second part, well that would be much more subjective, boring-mini-games could be anything, you could say docking your ship is a boring mini game, or if you are obsidian ant flying the space ship any notable distance is a boring mini game. So First Person activities that are deemed excellent you some might be mere boring minigames to another? I'm looking forward to stealthily infiltrating and sneaking my way through a planetary settlement and stealing the data files my mission giver is after before stealthily exfiltrating said place, rather than just rock up in m SRV, splat the turrets and skimmers shooting at me, scan the "terminal" then bug out 4km so I can recall my ship and head to an interstellar factor to pay off my tresspass & assault bounties. To me the inevitability of getting caught doing such things in an SRV is a boring, and the repetition of do mission, go to IF and clear name, go hand in mission, is a grindy mini game. Would be much better if I had more agency in my approach to getting the data, and had a chance of not getting caught by using SKILL.
First off, FE2 was AWESOME! So was FFE in my opinion, but we need to clarify a few things here. Thargoids were not in FE2, other than a cameo as static octagonal ships on the surfaces of some bases where they were nothing other than background scenery. They were in FFE as the end game contentwhere a player could get a thargoid ship?
As for the data size of ED, go, look at the graphics in FE2/FFE, while great at the time, look at the absolute lack of detail compared to dotays standards. Just the polygon count for any asset you can think of goes some way towards our 20gb game of today. Take a staport interior with all those buildings, the shaddows, the lighting, the to-ing and fro-ing of NPC ships, and thats even more data. Then there is the more complex socio political system with the BGS, and to a lesser extent powerplay, Then listen to the sounds, we are a world away from the nokia ring tone midi music files and atari 2600 level of engine sound effects of those games. All those things are contributors in how we went from one floppy disk to ~17,000 floppy disks.
Now we have bang whizz up to date graphics, shame about the anti-aliasing but hey ho, and Fantastic sound design, great ship models and a much more complex flight model, allowing us to partake in the complex socio ecomomic systems that underpin our galaxy, and you can see why its taken so long ans so much development resources to get to this point, now players are bickering amongst themselves about which major feature to add next, legs or atmospheres.
A lot of veterans from the first installments, for the record I'm a FE2/FFE veteran, don't want to leave the pilots seat, and would prefer skys clouds and atmospheres, legs proponents, of which I am one, want to get out the pilots seat and be acharacter in the galaxy, notjust a spaceship dashcam. The best outcome is we get both, but the game would be better if Legs came first, allowing us to have access to some RPG style content interacting with NPC's, starports, and any environment we can visit. Then after legs the developers could properly do planets with atmospheres and ecosystems and cities.
I mean we are meant to be playing as the pilot, this guy:
And while this might be pretty:
It would be pretty lame if all we could do when we touched down there was:
And while this might be pretty:
It would be pretty lame if all we could do when we touched down there was:
The true spirit of exploration is getting your SRV belly stuck on an alien tree stump analogue.
Perhaps I should add that to my elite bucket list thread?
The addition of access to atmospheric worlds definitely seems like a more logical follow-up to Horizons. Right now most of the planets in the galaxy are placeholders in the truest sense of the word. Their existence is nearly meaningless without the ability to land on and explore them.
Legs is an unnecessary and wasteful tangent imo. The galaxy is a big place to traverse on foot. Why walk when you can fly or drive? Why play a so-so FPS add-on here when you could play a pure sci-fi FPS elsewhere?
Legs is an unnecessary and wasteful tangent imo. The galaxy is a big place to traverse on foot. Why walk when you can fly or drive? Why play a so-so FPS add-on here when you could play a pure sci-fi FPS elsewhere?
I think martian and water worlds for a good start, along with reworked graphic for rest, relatively easy to make, challange is climate simulation and flight model in atmo, this itself add gameplay, so definitely worth it.
There are plenty of games that allow you to fly in atmospheres. I don’t want Elite to become Microsoft flight simulator or World of Warplanes. If it was meant to be an atmospheric flight sim, the devs would have built the game with this in mind, which is clearly not the case!!!!!!
im just kidding, there is something akin to this on every elite feet thread and we can’t be having special treatment
Doesn't stop planets without atmospheres making my ship act like it's rolling around in wind.
I have looked at the shapes. It's probably fair to say that a photograph of any of them could be used in a definition of aerodynamic. As in 'Nothing Whatsoever Like This'. Excepting maybe the Eagle, Clipper, or Cutter. Maybe.
My conclusion ? If we are to be allowed to take them into atmosphere - as opposed to needing separate landing craft designed for aerodynamic flight - then surely they are going to have to behave more like helicopters than airplanes? Your vertical thrusters are your rotor(s), laterals are your tail-rotor, you just get some added ballistic flight capability from your mains. FA-off might be a liability in such a case too, unless the 'atmospheric capability pack', or whatever it gets called, seriously upgrades the thrusters.
An interesting concept all round, really.
While I am personally of the opinion that the main game should be given a serious addition of depth before adding atmospheric landings or legs - not that I am fundamentally opposed to either one - I could easily lose hundreds of hours just flying about if any of the above is close to reality. Big ships would probably be a no-no, but the individual flight characteristics of the rest - and the desire to discover them - damn, I might never get back into space!