it was clearly an answer to this question "I wonder .... which misconception was put to rest?"
Ahh I goofed and missed that. But I thought that was put to rest a LOOOOOOOOOONG time ago. *shrug*
It was certain PvP'ers that started "open is dying" in the early SOG 1 & 2 threads, by the time we got to the Hotel (SOG 4) version the PvE'ers were just echoing what we'd been told by the PvP'ers.
There was also a lot of complaints about "griefing" and being "griefed" at the time with plenty of open only advocates telling those people if they didn't want PvP, then don't play open.
So the PvE'ers argument from PvE'ers became;
"If open is dying, then you only have your own behaviours and attitudes to blame for forcing people out of open"
and
"you only have yourselves to blame for open dying"
So if you want to blame anyone for the misconception "open is dying", go back through SOG 1 & 2 and note the names of people who kept complaining open was dead because of solo / pg
"And replace that by "More people play in Open than the other modes, by a significant margin."
I still get flashbacks to that arguement.
That Open won't survive the loss of every single player that doesn't like, or cannot abide, the rules.
Bob Lighthouse
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Robert Maynard
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That's not quite the starting point - and yes, Frontier would seem to have decided, long ago, that PvP would not be dominant in this game - simply by making it entirely optional, while at the same time giving all players the ability to both experience and affect the single shared galaxy state.
If it was considerably more effective then it would be exploited - in either of the multi-player game modes.
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Certainly the case.
However, folks exploit everything possible. As we all well know PVE exploitation is the bane currently, obviously way more damaging. Having said that, Frontier just as well keep PVP under development.
Which in certain aspects and questions (PP) seems to be the case.
Hopefully discussions like this, encourage not only Frontier to have a keen eye on PVP even if one doesn't participate.
Goose4291
Banned
I'll just put it out there.
On these forums the only time I saw 'open is dying' type rhetoric was in the sort of threads were the OP announced they'd clicked open and a PvPer had literally jumped through their window, murdered their cat and put a brick through their monitor before sneering 'git gud scrub' and leaving, and how the OP would henceforth fly in Mobius, as some sort of weird advertising campaign.
The closest I've seen is people bemoaning Piracy or Powerplay were dying due to broken mechanics, but not the mode as a whole.
On these forums the only time I saw 'open is dying' type rhetoric was in the sort of threads were the OP announced they'd clicked open and a PvPer had literally jumped through their window, murdered their cat and put a brick through their monitor before sneering 'git gud scrub' and leaving, and how the OP would henceforth fly in Mobius, as some sort of weird advertising campaign.
The closest I've seen is people bemoaning Piracy or Powerplay were dying due to broken mechanics, but not the mode as a whole.
Robert Maynard
Volunteer Moderator
Frontier's design philosophy seems to be that no game features are limited to a single game mode - so any changes to PvP would likely exist in both multi-player modes.
PvE exploitation is only the current bane due to the fact that PvP exploitation is not currently a thing. I would expect that PvE exploitation would be much simpler to hit with the nerf bat than PvP exploitation simply because, while Frontier control the game, players can choose for themselves whether or not to contest a PvP encounter - player collusion is unlikely to be able to be eradicated in that regard.
.... remembering why the 1M Cr bounty limit came into effect back in the day - due to players exploiting the cargo scanner / bounty system.
Over the years I saw less and less players online. While the numbers of players playing Open increased.
Not sure if it is a "setup" Frontier tweaked, in order to have less pressure in certain situations?
Or just me.
Really?
Because some certain Open Only advocates here keep harping on that the mode system (solo / pg) is killing game features.
So those features need to be locked to open mode to save them or they'll die.
It's the same rhetoric, all of opens problems are being blamed on the mode system.
Goose4291
Banned
I hear you. I know I'll get a lot of fanboys zerging this response, but I also think that could be down to the size of the active playerbase, which has IMO been on a bit of a decline over the last year, as Joe Gamer (who IMO based on personal conversations were very Open-Centric) seems to have become a little disenfranchised with the 'mile wide, inch deep' grind unchallenging gameplay FD have given us as the game evolved.
Its not that these players are leaving to go to other modes, more theyre leaving the game in its entirety, while us more 'passionate' players remain
I never have extrapolated anything from online surveys. Surveys are very hard to conduct in a respective manner, you need a lot of prepartion with regard to the demographic you're surveying. Therefor most surveys are notoriously unreliable. This is different from open online surveys, they are all unreliable.
Open is dying, Elite has been dying for years.
Anyone with enough braincells to be able to rub them together would know the foolishness of such a statement.
So much clarity
I never even heard that one.
Bob Lighthouse
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Bob Lighthouse
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Well, perhaps you're just not reasonable?
Bartle is rolling in his grave as well.*
Neat boxes Ziggy!
* I realize he's not dead yet, but it makes for a better visual.
It's rather that it conflicts with what the bones I just threw told me. And I know what you're going to say, using one source is bad research.
Well, perhaps you're just not reasonable?
Which is why I also consulted tea leaves, which pretty much told the same story.
Science baby!
Bob Lighthouse
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AP Birdman
Banned
But were those tea leaves thorough in their investigation? The last batch of tea leaves I consulted concluded that open is a hoppin. On second thought, those might have been coffee beans... And I know what you're gonna say, coffee beans have an agenda and their sources can't be trusted, blah blah blah.
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Only time I fear the coffee beans is when I drop a few and the Chihuahua/Jack Russell gets to them before i can stop her.