Why is being a "prey" of a pirate in open a bad game design...

[Mohrgan]

Open the official website and see what it says about "large-scale multiplayer game". There are no words not said about the fact that you will have a "full-SCALE" only as long as it allows you to other players who do not really need it. It doesn't say that "bounty hunting/pirating/killing" can only be fully implemented with respect to NPCs, and in the case of other players, you must get the other player's approval for all of this. Don't you think there's something wrong?

Look at the marketing and see all the mentions of the Modes. Look how the marketing tells us that you 'can' chase other players, or simply paly along with your friends, or take in the experience from Solo. The game allows the BH-Pirate dynamic. It doesn't require it. It is something you 'can' do, it doesn't say everyone has to do it too.

Find your fun, as best you can, and leave others to do the same.

 

[Robert Maynard]

Open the official site and see what it says about"large-scale multiplayer game". There is no word that you will have a game "on a full scale", only if it is allowed by the other players, who do not really need it. It doesn't say that "bounty hunting / piracy / murder" can only be fully implemented in relation to NPCs, and in the case of other players, you must get the other player's approval for all of this. Don't you think something's wrong?

I understand that "nothing personal, it's pure business" and nothing more than just marketing, but it's not fair.

It does make it clear that playing in Open is optional though - which should provide sufficient warning that not all players will be encountered.

 

[MadSinUN]

I understand that "nothing personal, it's pure business" and nothing more than just marketing, but it's not fair.

Look at the marketing and see all the mentions of the Modes. Look how the marketing tells us that you 'can' chase other players, or simply paly along with your friends, or take in the experience from Solo. The game allows the BH-Pirate dynamic. It doesn't require it. It is something you 'can' do, it doesn't say everyone has to do it too.

I hope that you do not think that before buying just a game, the buyer needs to study not only the information on the official website or resource provided? I shouldn't have personally asked David Braben for an explanation? Was it necessary to watch all the interviews with developers for several hours? I just asked since ED is not the last game I plan to purchase and can you tell me how not to make a mistake next time)

 

[Morbad]

I understand that "nothing personal, it's pure business" and nothing more than just marketing, but it's not fair.


I hope that you do not think that before buying just a game, the buyer needs to study not only the information on the official website or resource provided? I shouldn't have personally asked David Braben for an explanation? Was it necessary to watch all the interviews with developers for several hours? I just asked since ED is not the last game I plan to purchase and can you tell me how not to make a mistake next time)

It was the development plan and journals that sold me on the game...most of that never panned out in any meaningful way.

 

[MadSinUN]

It does make it clear that playing in Open is optional though - which should provide sufficient warning that not all players will be encountered.

Quite true "optional" but nevertheless the definition of "full-scale multiplayer game" implies a "full-SCALE" game and not this stripped-down version bordering on the absurd for the pleasure and displeasure of all at the same time.

 

[Robert Maynard]

Quite true "optional" but nevertheless the definition of "full-scale multiplayer game" implies a "full-SCALE" game and not this stripped-down version bordering on the absurd for the pleasure and displeasure of all at the same time.

What prospective buyers infer from the advertising is up to them. That does not change the facts relating to the options that the game presents each player.

 

[Mohrgan]

I understand that "nothing personal, it's pure business" and nothing more than just marketing, but it's not fair.


I hope that you do not think that before buying just a game, the buyer needs to study not only the information on the official website or resource provided? I shouldn't have personally asked David Braben for an explanation? Was it necessary to watch all the interviews with developers for several hours? I just asked since ED is not the last game I plan to purchase and can you tell me how not to make a mistake next time)

If not before purchase, then when? How would you know if you want the game if you don't investigate? How about before you make wishy-washy statements about the marketing material? When the same marketing material offers the answer. If you cared to mention that, or even read that far.

Short of getting in touch Mr. Braben, I did all of those things before I bought the base game, all the way back at release. Why wouldn't a person be informed about their purchase? As to the other games you may yet purchase, it's up to you is you want to be an informed consumer. Who am I to judge a buyer who just looks at the pictures?....

 

[MadSinUN]

What prospective buyers infer from the advertising is up to them. That does not change the facts relating to the options that the game presents each player.

How do I understand the phrase "prospective buyers make from advertising, depends on them"? How was I supposed to perceive the definition of "full-scale multiplayer game"? Your option please. I'm really interested. Better even tell me how you personally perceived this definition by reading it on the official website.

 

[MadSinUN]

If not before purchase, then when? How would you know if you want the game if you don't investigate? How about before you make wishy-washy statements about the marketing material? When the same marketing material offers the answer. If you cared to mention that, or even read that far.

Short of getting in touch Mr. Braben, I did all of those things before I bought the base game, all the way back at release. Why wouldn't a person be informed about their purchase? As to the other games you may yet purchase, it's up to you is you want to be an informed consumer. Who am I to judge a buyer who just looks at the pictures?....

I'm asking you to show that marketing material to me.

Before buying, I looked at the official site and looked at the General information about the game presented on this site in General but rather specific definitions. What is missing for me as an average buyer in this?

Here is information about the multiplayer game ED from the Steam store page: "Multiplayer
Be prepared for unexpected encounters – the huge multiplayer universe of Elite Dangerous has players from all over the world. Travel the galaxy alone in the intended Solo Mode, or be one of the many in the Open Game mode, where every pilot you meet can become your loyal ally or sworn enemy. To start playing, you need to register for a free Elite Dangerous account."

 

[Robert Maynard]

How do I understand the phrase "prospective buyers make from advertising, depends on them"?

How people choose to interpret marketing information is quite often affected by what they are hoping to read.

How was I supposed to perceive the definition of "full-scale multiplayer game"? Your option please. I'm really interested.

If it's this bit being referred to:

ELITE DANGEROUS
Take control of your own starship in a dangerous galaxy. In the 34th century, across the vast expanse of an epic, full-scale recreation of our Milky Way, interstellar rivalries flare as galactic superpowers fight proxy wars. Start with a small starship and a handful of credits, and do whatever it takes to earn the skill, knowledge, wealth and power to stand among the ranks of the iconic Elite.

.... then the "full scale" refers to the size of the galaxy, i.e. the game world.

Better even tell me how you personally perceived this definition by reading it on the official website.

I read about the game design on the Kickstarter pitch in November 2012, well before I encountered any online marketing for the game.

 

[MadSinUN]

.... then the "full scale" refers to the size of the galaxy, i.e. the game world.

Then it would be written in "full-scale galaxy" or "full-scale outer space" , etc. But it clearly says " full-scale multiplayer game"

 

[CMDR M. Lehman]

Whatever. Peeps play how they want. Your post reeks of Virtue Signaling. You're awesome because you found the true value of E|D. Now we should all want to be awesome too? The tools provided allow for players that know what they want to achieve it. There's no reason we shouldn't just leave it at that.

You have found, in the game, what suits you. Good on you. I think that is perfect. We should all learn to just be satisfied with that, and leave others to their satisfaction. If someone simply wants to see the sights, they should be allowed to do so. Period. All of this 'play the victim' and 'learn new skills' rubbish is just condescending.

I learned all of that open play stuff, found it boring and moved on. How do you answer for people who ran the gauntlet, and just found other entertainment?

"Learn new skills so that you improve" is not only sound life advice, but literally how all games since the dawn of time have worked.

And if someone wants to see the sights in open, they should accept that unpleasant company just might be one of them!

 

[Robert Maynard]

Then it would be written in "full-scale galaxy" or "full-scale outer space" , etc. But it clearly says " full-scale multiplayer game"

If this is the bit being referred to:

FEATURES
TAKE CONTROL OF YOUR OWN STARSHIP IN A DANGEROUS GALAXY
Trade. Fight. Explore. Take flight and experience life as a starship commander in the dangerous galaxy of the 34th century. Enter a massively-multiplayer full-scale recreation of the Milky Way with a small starship and a handful of credits, and join the ranks of the iconic Elite.

.... then it's still referring to the galaxy.

If this still isn't the section, please provide a relevant link.

Also noting that the game is not limited to containing only those features advertised.

 

[MadSinUN]

If this is the bit being referred to:

.... then it's still referring to the galaxy.

If this still isn't the section, please provide a relevant link.

Also noting that the game is not limited to containing only those features advertised.

Does this also apply to the"full scale of the galaxy"?

Elite Dangerous

Take control of your own starship in a dangerous galaxy.

www.elitedangerous.com

And this in particular?
"If you choose to fly in Open Play you’ll encounter other commanders in a galaxy where friendly fire is always on. Rogue commanders are those pilots who have betrayed the Pilots federation by turning on their own; those pilots can carry huge bounties, making them prime targets for skilled hunters."

You are well aware of all this but you continue to defend the obvious absurdity and I do not understand for what purpose. This is just my opinion At the same time, a couple of days ago you made a good offer, but for some reason you stopped promoting and correcting it. This is a very strange approach for me. Of course, you have every right to all this, and I can't forbid you anything.

 

[Dietger]

Sounds like a case being made for more Open modes.

I opt for: "no consequences* playing on with humans".
The running joke, the less you'll have* the more fun it make for no one but you. Open?
Left for Idiots.

S!

 

[Robert Maynard]

Does this also apply to the"full scale of the galaxy"?

Elite Dangerous

Take control of your own starship in a dangerous galaxy.

www.elitedangerous.com

The phrase "full scale" is missing from that page.

And this in particular?
"If you choose to fly in Open Play you’ll encounter other commanders in a galaxy where friendly fire is always on. Rogue commanders are those pilots who have betrayed the Pilots federation by turning on their own; those pilots can carry huge bounties, making them prime targets for skilled hunters."

This is the section that makes it clear that playing in Open play is optional, even though it indicates that players may encounter other players if they do choose to play in Open play.

 

[Just Paul]

Open is free for all. If that doesn't work with somebodies playstyle, there are the solo/pg modes. There are 3 modes, so chose the one which closest represents what you want to get out of the game.
Looking for cr/hr or reaching a goal with almost no risk to setback, solo. PG if you want the same but with some player interactions. Interested in unpredictable player interactions, open. It's that simple.

 

[MadSinUN]

The phrase "full scale" is missing from that page.

This is the section that makes it clear that playing in Open play is optional, even though it indicates that players may encounter other players if they do choose to play in Open play.

There is no word that you will have a game "on a full scale", only if it is allowed by the other players, who do not really need it. It doesn't say that "bounty hunting / piracy / murder" can only be fully implemented in relation to NPCs, and in the case of other players, you must get the other player's approval for all of this. Don't you think something's wrong?

I can respond with your tactic: "Not all players and buyers of the game so deeply study the information about the purchased game" and they have every right to do so. And to make a decision, there should be enough information on the official resource and it should be as accurate as possible for a complete understanding of the game process.

 

[Rubbernuke]

No, sorry that will just not fly. You need to be certain that it is a deliberate action by the pilot first. It has to be fair or not at all.

If you don't, it won't work so its a catch for everyone because people will yank the cable. You could have a system of one forced exit per tick maybe, or over a set time.

 

[Mohrgan]

I'm asking you to show that marketing material to me.

Before buying, I looked at the official site and looked at the General information about the game presented on this site in General but rather specific definitions. What is missing for me as an average buyer in this?

Here is information about the multiplayer game ED from the Steam store page: "Multiplayer
Be prepared for unexpected encounters – the huge multiplayer universe of Elite Dangerous has players from all over the world. Travel the galaxy alone in the intended Solo Mode, or be one of the many in the Open Game mode, where every pilot you meet can become your loyal ally or sworn enemy. To start playing, you need to register for a free Elite Dangerous account."

How about the part of your quote above, that says "... Travel the galaxy alone in the intended Solo Mode, or be one of the many in the Open Game mode..." It says it right there that you have a choice. No one, not even FD owe you game play.

Seek what you like, and let others do the same.