Dinosaurs Will we ever get a hunting mechanic for the Carnivores?!

[EarlSinclair]

Let's be honest here.Carnivores get shafted and only have a hand full of different species compared to the herbivores.
Now with the claire dlc the herbivores got paleobotany which gives them a good bonus to their lifespan and carnivores again got nothing.

I would like to see something similar for our carnivores.With a hunting status bar equal to the paleobotany status bar on herbivores.
It could feature two preferred prey dinosaurs for each carnivore.Where they would get the highest bonus to lifespan if you let them hunt a preferred prey.The status bar could rise over time untill the chances of the carnivores looking to hunt becomes 100%.Then the carnivore would seek out the nearest weakest and or preferred prey to hunt.Hunting should satisfy the need to kill and hunt again for maybe 20-30.The hungrier they are the higher the chances should be for them to start hunting.

Also the carcasses should remain longer and dinosaurs should be able to eat multiple times from a carcass depending on the size of the hunted dinosaur.Small dinos only giving one meal while medium sized dinos would provide multiple meals for a carnivore.You could also make it dependend on the carnivores size.Large carnivores need more meat than a raptor for example.

And we really need pack hunting for small carnivores.

I hope this will happen eventually

 

[LordTrilobite]

Are you joking? The game has loads of carnivores. Yes there are more herbivores in raw numbers. But that is only logical. Any ecosystem always has more herbivores. And so there are more herbivorous dinosaurs known then there are carnivores. While I would always like more dinosaurs in the game, be it herbivores or carnivores. The balance between carnivores and herbivores right now actually favours carnivores due to there being so many compared to what would be normal in an ecosystem.

Otherwise, yes more in depth hunting as well as carcasses that remain longer would be nice.

And besides the raptors hunting in packs in the films, pack hunting isn't really much of a thing in reptiles and there is little evidence dinosaurs did any of that.

 

[EarlSinclair]

Are you joking? The game has loads of carnivores. Yes there are more herbivores in raw numbers. But that is only logical. Any ecosystem always has more herbivores. And so there are more herbivorous dinosaurs known then there are carnivores. While I would always like more dinosaurs in the game, be it herbivores or carnivores. The balance between carnivores and herbivores right now actually favours carnivores due to there being so many compared to what would be normal in an ecosystem.

Otherwise, yes more in depth hunting as well as carcasses that remain longer would be nice.

And besides the raptors hunting in packs in the films, pack hunting isn't really much of a thing in reptiles and there is little evidence dinosaurs did any of that.

Well i'am not laughing dear Lord Trilobite.Tell me what did the carnivores get in the past dlcs and updates, nothing compared to the herbivores(gameplay wise).Return to jurassic park would have been the perfect opportunity to indroduce a hunting mechanic.It makes even more sense if you think about Alan Grants comments on the T-Rex about hunting etc.

And about raptors hunting in packs only in the movies.Well you are playing a game based on said movies.Alot of things aren't based on scientific facts.Raptors as they are in the movies are a part fantasy and part different real life dinosaurs mixed together to create the raptor.Also Dilophosaurus and the list goes on.Not everything has to be based 100% on real life science and facts.

Not long ago there was little evidence of feathers on dinosaurs and alot of other things.Look at how Dinosaurs were imagined back in the 19th century and where we are today.If you look at how complex social behavior can be in modern day animals, it is safe to assume that at least some dinosaurs hunted in groups, packs.

But i think we can agree on that hunting in general needs a overhaul, update.

 

[LordTrilobite]

Well i'am not laughing dear Lord Trilobite.Tell me what did the carnivores get in the past dlcs and updates, nothing compared to the herbivores(gameplay wise). Return to jurassic park would have been the perfect opportunity to introduce a hunting mechanic.It makes even more sense if you think about Alan Grants comments on the T-Rex about hunting etc.

The alpha behaviour update benefited carnivores the most. Herbivores got some much needed love in the Claire DLC because the carnivores already had more mechanics in the first place. T.rex also got an upgrade in the JP DLC.
Sure you can be of the opinion that this is not enough. But saying they got nothing is not accurate.

Not long ago there was little evidence of feathers on dinosaurs and a lot of other things.Look at how Dinosaurs were imagined back in the 19th century and where we are today.If you look at how complex social behavior can be in modern day animals, it is safe to assume that at least some dinosaurs hunted in groups, packs.

It most definitely is not safe to assume that. It would be baseless speculation. There is evidence of gregarious behaviour in dinosaurs. But there is none so far for pack hunting. When there is reason to assume it then it will be justified, not a moment sooner. At the moment it's just speculation that could be plausible.

 

[Thylaco]

It most definitely is not safe to assume that. It would be baseless speculation. There is evidence of gregarious behaviour in dinosaurs. But there is none so far for pack hunting. When there is reason to assume it then it will be justified, not a moment sooner. At the moment it's just speculation that could be plausible.

I'm guessing it's not really something that's possible to prove (brain specialisation might lead to inferences potentially I suppose).

I mean it doesn't look all that likely anyway, with it apparently only known from Aplomado Falcons in birds (which have male and female separate roles), though does exist in multiple crocodilians apparently.

After briefly hearing from someone doing a PhD on bird brains, their brains are very specialised for what they do, but planning is one of the areas where us mammals generally have an advantage over them, which is kind of one of the crucial aspects of pack hunting.

 

[EarlSinclair]

The alpha behaviour update benefited carnivores the most. Herbivores got some much needed love in the Claire DLC because the carnivores already had more mechanics in the first place. T.rex also got an upgrade in the JP DLC.
Sure you can be of the opinion that this is not enough. But saying they got nothing is not accurate.


It most definitely is not safe to assume that. It would be baseless speculation. There is evidence of gregarious behaviour in dinosaurs. But there is none so far for pack hunting. When there is reason to assume it then it will be justified, not a moment sooner. At the moment it's just speculation that could be plausible.

And what did the alpha update do for the carnivores?Does it change the gameplay in any meaningful way? No it does nothing gameplay wise other then two dinosaurs playing the fighting animation the dinosaur with a higher rating becoming the alpha.But that doesn't change much other then the dinos following the leader around sometimes.A bonus to the lifespan on the other hand is a big boon in terms of gameplay.The alpha thing is just cosmetic, visual.Also the herbivores received the same treatment as the carnivores with that update.You are trying too hard to prove yourself right.You should get out more or get a hobby or something.

Of course it is speculation just as much as you saying the opposite.Neither you nor i have any evidence for the opposite being the case.An example.Fossils have been found of three Deinonychus grouped around a dead herbivore.It could mean they are just scavangers happen to be in the same place at the same time but it could also be interpreted as a pack hunting a herbivore.Only becouse no hard evidence has been found yet ,doesn't mean it isn't possible.Evolution created wings several times.So there is a good chance that a behavior can develope several times aswell on different species.We can actually observe that today in the animal kingdom.

Again we are talking about JP here so i don't see a problem with the pack hunting.

Anyway, have a good day Sir Trilobite.

 

[EarlSinclair]

I'm guessing it's not really something that's possible to prove (brain specialisation might lead to inferences potentially I suppose).

I mean it doesn't look all that likely anyway, with it apparently only known from Aplomado Falcons in birds (which have male and female separate roles), though does exist in multiple crocodilians apparently.

After briefly hearing from someone doing a PhD on bird brains, their brains are very specialised for what they do, but planning is one of the areas where us mammals generally have an advantage over them, which is kind of one of the crucial aspects of pack hunting.

You are simplifying and generalising here.There are birds such as crows that are clearly capable of planning ahead aswell as solving complex problems.That has been proven by actual experiments.Problems that mammals like dogs, cats or pigs couldn't solve.A octopus for example can plan ahead days or even weeks and some birds can do the same.And some birds have been observed to work together aswell for the benefit of a group.

 

[Thylaco]

You are simplifying and generalising here.There are birds such as crows that are clearly capable of planning ahead aswell as solving complex problems.That has been proven by actual experiments.Problems that mammals like dogs, cats or pigs couldn't solve.A octopus for example can plan ahead days or even weeks and some birds can do the same.And some birds have been observed to work together aswell for the benefit of a group.

I get the feeling problem solving and memory are different from the planning the guy was talking about, at least that's how he appeared to frame it.

 

[Chia Des]

I think that Frontier is working hard for a really big update with maybe a new DLC and I think that maybe pack hunting could be a new thing, I trust Frontier

 

[Thylaco]

I think that Frontier is working hard for a really big update with maybe a new DLC and I think that maybe pack hunting could be a new thing, I trust Frontier

Yeah, it's pretty certain they're at least going to try to do something that resembles it (can't say if it'd be anytime soon though, might be the tail end of support, with it most likely being animations that require multiple dinosaurs to get into specific positions, probably being the same ones between a few species at least).

Potential scientific inaccuracy doesn't really effect it's likelihood, considering how many people have been constantly asking for it, with Frontier tending to put in stuff that many people routinely ask for, when they can.

 

[Pixelated Sparkster]

I could definitely see the game requiring more mechanics to the carnivores. As is, the fun part of the carnivores are the possible breakouts and combats, which are great but I would love to see some mechanics for the carnivores to make them feel more unique from herbivore care.

Like I would love a hunt need, a new management for some carnivores to keep them entertained from the standard meat feeders, where we could choose the live feeder for the respective carnivore (pigs, goats, cows) and have players be encouraged to feed the large carnivores their favorite prey every now and then, like giving the Tyrannosaurus rex an edmontosaurus to hunt to keep her hunt need fulfilled the longest.

And the inclusion of a lounge option would be nice. In zoos I go to, the tigers, bears, and lions would chill a lot due to the lack of things to do in their enclosures. Yes the dinosaurs we have sleep, but I would like to see some dinosaurs like the tyrannosaurus rex chill from time to time, laying down but looking around.

I do not know if this happens, but I would like to see the carnivores spook the guests from time to time. Where they go to a fence, sniff the fence, but if it is electrical, they may get zapped and roar angrily at the fence, and the guests would freak out a bit.

 

[MarcWP]

I could definitely see the game requiring more mechanics to the carnivores. As is, the fun part of the carnivores are the possible breakouts and combats, which are great but I would love to see some mechanics for the carnivores to make them feel more unique from herbivore care.

Like I would love a hunt need, a new management for some carnivores to keep them entertained from the standard meat feeders, where we could choose the live feeder for the respective carnivore (pigs, goats, cows) and have players be encouraged to feed the large carnivores their favorite prey every now and then, like giving the Tyrannosaurus rex an edmontosaurus to hunt to keep her hunt need fulfilled the longest.

And the inclusion of a lounge option would be nice. In zoos I go to, the tigers, bears, and lions would chill a lot due to the lack of things to do in their enclosures. Yes the dinosaurs we have sleep, but I would like to see some dinosaurs like the tyrannosaurus rex chill from time to time, laying down but looking around.

I do not know if this happens, but I would like to see the carnivores spook the guests from time to time. Where they go to a fence, sniff the fence, but if it is electrical, they may get zapped and roar angrily at the fence, and the guests would freak out a bit.

I would rather want this than any new DLC for sure.