Windows 10 Optimization

[babydumplinz]

Hello, I would love to see the game be redone with the Windows 10 Direct X 12 to prevent a slowness when having too many guest. I would love for them to make this in windows 10 so that with all the new cores in processors it will really take the game to the next level. I'm sure everyone who has purchased the game is running windows 10 and sure they would repurchase the game again if it was rewritten for Windows 10. Has Frontier thought about this rather than keep making new DLC lets get the game really optimized with today's technology and build it with Direct X 12 and Windows 10 so that there won't be all the questions if the game can run within the forum. Just a suggestion and love to hear from others in the forum if you would repurchase the game if it was offered with Windows 10 Direct X 12 in the future.

Please Frontier I've purchased all the DLC and want to use the full power of the P.C. that are bring built today.

 

[HeatherG]

That would leave many people unable to play the game if Windows 10 was the only platform available to play Planet Coaster on. i have a strong feeling that is why it uses Directx 11 and not 12.

 

[Crowdpleaser]

I for one refuse to update to Windows 10. And i will do so until i have no other choice. So i am happy that this Game is not excusively made for Windows 10

 

[Cosmic Cow]

I for one refuse to update to Windows 10. And i will do so until i have no other choice. So i am happy that this Game is not excusively made for Windows 10

May I ask what your problem is with W10? Never ever had a more stable Windows OS like this one...

 

[Spanky]

With the release of Windows 10 in 2015 anyone had the chance for a complete free update for Windows 10, if you had Windows 7 or 8 installed. I never understood why many users of Windows 7 or 8 did not has taken this opportunity. Windows 10 is the most stable OS hat Microsoft has ever released.

 

[inspectorgadget1]

I'm sure everyone who has purchased the game is running windows 10 and sure they would repurchase the game again if it was rewritten for Windows 10. Has Frontier thought about this rather than keep making new DLC lets get the game really optimized with today's technology and build it with Direct X 12 and Windows 10 so that there won't be all the questions if the game can run within the forum.

Just under 2/3 of Steam users are using W10, me not included (and as indicated above, others on this forum are in that same boat). I highly doubt many would repurchase a game they already own just to go from DX11 -> DX12, I find that very hard to believe. As has been mentioned previously we're too far down the line to introduce this now with 2 years having passed since release. The cost/time to work on it just isn't worth it at this stage, they're not going to make more money releasing the same game again over more DLC [wacky]. Maybe in years to come (and I'm not talking in a year or 2) with a new Frontier game but for now we're stuck with DX11.

 

[LN]

My main question would be:

Who's going to pay for this?

 

[g3rox]

I for one refuse to update to Windows 10. And i will do so until i have no other choice. So i am happy that this Game is not excusively made for Windows 10

I don´t understand that, right next to Win7, Win10 is the best OS. Shame many people fell for the stuff about how they spy you all the time and so on. It´s not true and if you rly don´t like that, you can turn a lot of these features off. But yea, don´t forget to to use Google, Facebook or simply your mobile phone.... Or is there any other reason you don´t want bscly the most stable OS out there?

 

[LN]

I don´t understand that, right next to Win7, Win10 is the best OS. Shame many people fell for the stuff about how they spy you all the time and so on. It´s not true and if you rly don´t like that, you can turn a lot of these features off. But yea, don´t forget to to use Google, Facebook or simply your mobile phone.... Or is there any other reason you don´t want bscly the most stable OS out there?

Why? It's his decision to work with whatever he wants.

And now you saying he does it because of bad reviews or "spying technology", which he doesn't even name as the reasoning why he doesn't want it. He just doesn't want it.
Don't judge him because you think to know his reasoning....[down]

I have no issues with Win10, but I don't consider it the best or the most stable. There just aren't better alternatives at the moment.

 

[g3rox]

Why? It's his decision to work with whatever he wants.

And now you saying he does it because of bad reviews or "spying technology", which he doesn't even name as the reasoning why he doesn't want it. He just doesn't want it.
Don't judge him because you think to know his reasoning....[down]

I have no issues with Win10, but I don't consider it the best or the most stable. There just aren't better alternatives at the moment.

That decision must be based on something ofcourse. And 90% of people use this argument, so I expect him to have the same reason, unless he elaborate on it a bit ofcourse.

You say there are no better alternatives, but don´t consider it the best. I honestly don´t understand. Either it is the best alternative, so it is the most stable, or generally reliable OS, or not, because you said yourself, there is no better alternative. Win7 is only the second best alternative.

 

[LN]

That decision must be based on something ofcourse. And 90% of people use this argument, so I expect him to have the same reason, unless he elaborate on it a bit ofcourse.

You say there are no better alternatives, but don´t consider it the best. I honestly don´t understand. Either it is the best alternative, so it is the most stable, or generally reliable OS, or not, because you said yourself, there is no better alternative. Win7 is only the second best alternative.

I think XP was way better. But that wouldn't hold up in 2018.

And because 90% use that argument, he is probably one of them????
Don't judge people without knowing anyhting about them or any of the reasons why. Putting people in boxes is not nice.

 

[shaneturner12]

I can understand why some may not want Windows 10 - the most recent Feature Update being a good example of this.

Shane

 

[Snodge Snoodle]

I'm sure everyone who has purchased the game is running windows 10 and sure they would repurchase the game again if it was rewritten for Windows 10.

I purchased the game and I use Windows 7. Your statement is incorrect. I would not purchase the game again if it was rewritten for windows 10 because I use windows 7 and the game wouldn't work.

I resisted the free upgrade to win10 because I didn't want the disruption caused buy the installation as I was working on several projects that may have been lost or damaged by unforeseen bugs in the not yet tested OS.

I had friends who upgraded from 7 to 10 who were having a lot of blue screens of death after the upgrade. I simple couldn't risk my nice stable OS install getting borked. To this day I have never had a BSOD on my win7 install. I'm sure most of the teething troubles have been ironed out now, but back then it was a bit of a mess.

I have several old games that let you choose if you want to run using DX10 or DX11, so I'm not sure why and option like this couldn't be implemented for planet coaster to use either DX11 or DX12. I guess way back when they started developing the game DX12 wasn't really a thing.

Denuvo (DRM) is also known to slow down games a fair amount according to benchmark tests. So hopefully they will remove that from planet coaster one day. It seems unfair that people who don't pay for games get better performance than us suckers that do pay for our games. Search youtube for "More Denuvo Benchmarks! Performance & Loading Times tested before & after 6 games dropped Denuvo"
With FPS in planet coaster being so low any improvement is welcome. Removing Denuvo may help a a bit, as its not really protecting planet coaster from dishonest people, just slowing it down for us honest ones.

 

[g3rox]

I think XP was way better. But that wouldn't hold up in 2018.

And because 90% use that argument, he is probably one of them????
Don't judge people without knowing anyhting about them or any of the reasons why. Putting people in boxes is not nice.

Well, honestly I think it would be appropriate that if you refuse something and post about it on a discussion board, it should also be accompanied by some reasoning...

 

[LN]

Well, honestly I think it would be appropriate that if you refuse something and post about it on a discussion board, it should also be accompanied by some reasoning...

Says who?

None of that is said in the guidelines:

https://forums.planetcoaster.com/showthread.php/5-Forum-Rules-and-Guidelines

Even if you feel someone should post his reasoning, there's no need of placing someone in a box he maybe doesn't want to be in.
That's not appropriate too.......

ps. you haven't contributed to this thread either. You only came here putting Crowdpleaser in a box.

 

[g3rox]

Says who?

None of that is said in the guidelines:

https://forums.planetcoaster.com/showthread.php/5-Forum-Rules-and-Guidelines

Even if you feel someone should post his reasoning, there's no need of placing someone in a box he maybe doesn't want to be in.
That's not appropriate too.......

ps. you haven't contributed to this thread either. You only came here putting Crowdpleaser in a box.

It´s not about guidelines. It´s usually normal in any converstaion, when you refuse something, you also say why. Me and my surroundings at least usually do that and I honestly don´t need any written guidelines for that...

And I want to contribute to that, by asking Crwodpleaser the reason. That´s at least some valuable information for the discussion.

 

[LN]

It´s not about guidelines. It´s usually normal in any converstaion, when you refuse something, you also say why. Me and my surroundings at least usually do that and I honestly don´t need any written guidelines for that...

And I want to contribute to that, by asking Crwodpleaser the reason. That´s at least some valuable information for the discussion.

IMHO nobody is ever obligated to give a reasoning for refusing or accepting anything.

But you should just have asked why?

Not saying things like him or others reading bad stuff about Win10 on the internet, spying etc.
Which is completely irrelevant to his response, this thread and your question.

 

[Joël]

Please get back on the topic of Windows 10 Optimisation and stop discussing whether an individual user has to share their reasoning behind an opinion or not.

Everyone can have valid reasons why they do not want to use Windows 10. They are not obligated to share those reasons if they don't want to. Personally I can see why people do not want to use Windows 10 because of privacy reasons. For example; Windows 10 will always send basic diagnostic data to Microsoft and this cannot be turned off by average users (I can imagine that it can be turned off through the registry, but that is only for advanced users). There is only the option to send basic or full diagnostic data to Microsoft.

Unfortunately Microsoft has decided that DirectX 12 is only available for Windows 10 and not for previous versions of Windows.

Regarding DirectX 12; if Planet Coaster was to get DirectX 12 support, then there will no doubt be another performance bottleneck, so it's unlikely that DirectX 12 is the 'magical solution' that will fix all of the performance issues with large parks. I am not experienced enough to foresee the next bottleneck, but I can imagine that there are more things that could cause issues with performance.

 

[g3rox]

IMHO nobody is ever obligated to give a reasoning for refusing or accepting anything.

But you should just have asked why?

Not saying things like him or others reading bad stuff about Win10 on the internet, spying etc.
Which is completely irrelevant to his response, this thread and your question.

Im not saying someone is obliged to do so. However,then you can expect that other person will make their own opinion and it may lead to someone ending up in the box. If Crowdpleaser feels like he is being putted in that box and that it´s not correct, he has chance to fix it himself by elaborating on it. Or leaving it be. And I don´t think he needs advocate here. I think that´s all I have to say to this.

Anyway, Joel is right, DirectX12 wouldn´t fix all the problems magicaly. As I´m not developer, I cannot say for sure. but I think it´s also not that easy to migrate over to a new DX12 and use it properly (without unwanted side effects and problems). I can imagine it would be better if the game was developed with DX12 in mind from the beggining. It´s too complex.

In my opinion, the biggest issue is the PbP system. DX12 could handle it a bit better, but still would sturggle with it. The problem is, there is too many pieces and it´s hard for a casual player to build "optimized structures". The fact the game is forcing us to use "workarounds" to achieve desired result (clipping stuff into each other, sinking it under the ground) is one of the problems. And to me, the biggest problems seems to be the walls. I think they are sort of optimized well, but they also must be placed properly. By looking at many workshop items, I can see it´s very often not the case. The solution (at least better one) might be system similar to the sims/theme hospital or something like that. Windows 10 won´t help with that I think.