Patch Notes Update Wings Update 1.2.01/1.2.02 Incoming

[NicolasJBooth]

no Fuel scoop now unless long distance travelling

Is the fuel system now correct? As much as I love paying next to nothing to fuel my Anaconda, it does feel a little like cheating now. Before I had to juggle the layout, how much space did a fuel scoop take, how much was the fuel for the journey and how much would the cargo make and then run with the best for what I was doing. The new costs just seem to mean that when I pay 56 credits for my 9 Ly jump and instead of an A4 fuel scoop I carry 16 more tonnes of cargo...that's a no brainer now as even bio-waste can make that fuel back with the extra cargo.

Just feels a little like it has been dumbed down a bit for everyday playing, and only need a fuel scoop for the much longer trips.

Just a musing about how I felt the first time I refuelled for less than 60 credits...also why have the 10% button now if thats how its going to stay..it would only be needed in the direst of circumstances now and I cannot imagine what they would have to be to not be able to fuel 60 credits of fuel.

Nick

 

[Von Shadow]

i think the new costs are appropriate unless they're saying that a large ship like 'conda requires some enhanced more refined (like high-octane) fuel ... in which case they should make 2 fuel options ...
Otherwise 32t of fuel should be 32t of fuel ...

 

[NicolasJBooth]

i think the new costs are appropriate unless they're saying that a large ship like 'conda requires some enhanced more refined (like high-octane) fuel ... in which case they should make 2 fuel options ...
Otherwise 32t of fuel should be 32t of fuel ...

I agree 32T should cost the same, maye the problem is not in the costing but the sizing of the fuel tanks they are filling. I mean you wouldn't have a Vauxhall Cavalier fuel tank on an Articulated lorry, maybe the fuel tanks should be sized for the ship and the fuel can remain the same cost....not that I want to pay more, just seems to have removed one part of the many different things you have to look at when kitting out

 

[Robinus]

Ok,

So we have duplicated an earlier discussed bug in the thread.. A South African, Czech Republic and US timezone attempt to form a wing. The US time zone player is struggling 90% of the time to join the wing. In this particular scenario the European player has no problem connecting to the South African.

We attempted in Private group with no success and in Open Play it was possible but very rarely for the US player to join.

This is definitely one that the coders will need to look at as there must be some vulnerability in the net code.

Kind Regards,

Zefninja

I report same bug here:
https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?t=124991

Can you describe the problem there?

 

[nats]

Oh lol you have to love all of these patches, so much for the game being in a releasable state! If I had bought this game on release expecting a fully functioning game I would be sorely disappointed by now with all the disruption being caused by all of these 'feature patches'. There is no way this game has moved out of Alpha never mind Beta. This game hasn't got all of the working features in it.

I mean expansions are one thing I agree with those. But this constant tinkering with the game and slow development, even though the game has been 'released' is just ridiculous. If this was one of my buildings I would have been sued by now as architect for negligence and quite rightly.

I do find this whole mentality of 'release a game and finish it at your leisure afterwards' that computer gaming firms have now is very frustrating and more than a bit morally suspect as well. You shouldnt legally be able to say a game has been released if its not fully functional. That is misrepresentation and, in the UK, is actually against the law.

 

[Rapid Fire]

Atleast you can log on. Since they have "upgraded" the game I can't patch, I can't download, and therefore I can't play the game. I Just hope that FD has some sort of prioritizing system because if I have to wait 2+ weeks for a down game issue like I did on my non down game ticket I will be upset...... Of course none of this would be happening if Michael and FD hadn't LIED to us. They promised the backers a stand alone game which they never delivered. Instead a person (me) who always plays solo (because I hate people in a gamer atmosphere) is forced to download a upgrade to allow me to play wings (which I will never do) which locks up the system so I can't upgrade and can't play.... All I wanted when I backed elite was a few hundred stars, 15 or so ships and the ability to blow stuff up..... instead I got leashed to the internet with a game that is down for upgrades all the time just like a MMO... Just without the subscription costs.... which probably would be better because those subscription costs is what pays to have enough employees to maintain the servers and the large number of tickets that a large complex game like a MMO or this is sure to generate.... but if FD does subscriptions that would be another broken promise not that they seem to care.... It is all just really frustrating because I genuinely enjoy the game.... I have found my little sector of the galaxy and I troll those 25 or so systems...

CDR No Fire...... formerly..
CDR Rapid Fire....

P.S. I am sure this post will get deleted or edited and my account flagged for inflammatory comments...... oh well I have at least vented a little

 

[dannyboy]

Just without the subscription costs.... which probably would be better because those subscription costs is what pays to have enough employees to maintain the servers and the large number of tickets that a large complex game like a MMO or this is sure to generate.... but if FD does subscriptions that would be another broken promise not that they seem to care

In other words, damned if they do, and damned if they don't?

 

[Silverclaw]

P.S. Why did you mess with the system allegience colors? Feds used to be Blue, now they're Red. Empire was Red, now they're Blue. Alliance was Orange, now they're Green. Independent was Green, now they're Yellow. Kind of unnecessarily annoying and confusing - especially since my excel spreadsheet for this game uses the old colors.

Oh gawd, this is going to be annoying. I was so used to the old colours. IMO, red would be far suited to Empire (being a dictatorship and all).
I hope this was an accidental change.

 

[CMDR Nick]

Energy expenditure not really a function of distance in space, rather of speed attained. KE prop mass for same v, so a large mass ship reaching the same speed as a small mass ship will use more fuel in ratio to the masses. There's the same energy expenditure in slowing down of course, as a starship must use thrusters to lose KE as well as gain it.

 

[Rugby39]

Atleast you can log on. Since they have "upgraded" the game I can't patch, I can't download, and therefore I can't play the game. I Just hope that FD has some sort of prioritizing system because if I have to wait 2+ weeks for a down game issue like I did on my non down game ticket I will be upset...... Of course none of this would be happening if Michael and FD hadn't LIED to us. They promised the backers a stand alone game which they never delivered. Instead a person (me) who always plays solo (because I hate people in a gamer atmosphere) is forced to download a upgrade to allow me to play wings (which I will never do) which locks up the system so I can't upgrade and can't play.... All I wanted when I backed elite was a few hundred stars, 15 or so ships and the ability to blow stuff up..... instead I got leashed to the internet with a game that is down for upgrades all the time just like a MMO... Just without the subscription costs.... which probably would be better because those subscription costs is what pays to have enough employees to maintain the servers and the large number of tickets that a large complex game like a MMO or this is sure to generate.... but if FD does subscriptions that would be another broken promise not that they seem to care.... It is all just really frustrating because I genuinely enjoy the game.... I have found my little sector of the galaxy and I troll those 25 or so systems...

CDR No Fire...... formerly..
CDR Rapid Fire....

P.S. I am sure this post will get deleted or edited and my account flagged for inflammatory comments...... oh well I have at least vented a little

lol.....I agree....I probably be banned as well.......Beyond p"""""""d off!!!!! as well.....Everything is so boring to hell and back....Not fun at all.... More like grinding for FD`s amusement with no joy....

I hope they suffer the full face of the law but that I doubt will happen.....Money grabbing thief's.....

 

[Latva Laho]

Atleast you can log on. Since they have "upgraded" the game I can't patch, I can't download, and therefore I can't play the game.
...

Download and install -> http://hosting.zaonce.net/elite/Client-Installer.exe
then upgrade Elite...

 

[Goody 2 Shoes]

Download and install -> http://hosting.zaonce.net/elite/Client-Installer.exe
then upgrade Elite...

I just did and it same as last 2 days I still cant play fix your updater already.

 

[Michael Brookes]

I just did and it same as last 2 days I still cant play fix your updater already.

You should raise a support ticket and they can look into this for you.

Michael

 

[Aigaion]

Hey Michael.

Any ETA on the "report a player" function getting fixed ? I have a hell load of combat-logger to report... By the way, it would be nice you start communicating about the action you are planning to take against this plague, if you actually plan somethins...

 

[vjek]

Hey Michael.

Any ETA on the "report a player" function getting fixed ? I have a hell load of combat-logger to report... By the way, it would be nice you start communicating about the action you are planning to take against this plague, if you actually plan somethins...

Same goes for the absolutely trivial and rampant hacking that one search in google shows. They've never even acknowledged that it exists, never mind what they're going to do to all the players using the hacks.
It's been happening since launch, but really bad since 1.1, and now we're past 1.2.... and nothing.
Crucify the early backers for buying a ship at the founders world, but leave the hackers alone for weeks/months. Makes perfect sense, FDEV.

 

[xyphic]

Same goes for the absolutely trivial and rampant hacking that one search in google shows. They've never even acknowledged that it exists, never mind what they're going to do to all the players using the hacks.
It's been happening since launch, but really bad since 1.1, and now we're past 1.2.... and nothing.
Crucify the early backers for buying a ship at the founders world, but leave the hackers alone for weeks/months. Makes perfect sense, FDEV.

They've had plenty of reports of hacking. There are three aspects to Frontier's (lack of) response: 1) Verify that the reported hacks are real and work; 2) Find ways of closing the holes; and 3) Figure out ways of detecting players who are using the hacks. The first point is obvious: anyone could report a 'hack' that isn't really (it brings to mind a post I remember about a player who thought he could change his ship skin for all to see, but turns out he was the only one to see it). The third point is also obvious: the best way of dealing with people hacking the client is to come down hard on those that do it, and for that to be effective they have to have methods of reliably detecting it. This leads into the second point: it's not immediately clear why Frontier would keep holes open even when they'd be trivial to fix, but by doing so they are able to continuously collect data that can be used to more effectively detect the hacks.

Frontier have already stated that they see hacking as a serious breach of the game's T&Cs. Expect that when they're in a position to do so, they'll take appropriate action.

 

[Goody 2 Shoes]

[QUOTE=Michael Brookes;1928202]You should raise a support ticket and they can look into this for you.

Michael[/QUOTE]

I have they dont care all they car about was the money i gave them.

hear is a picture of broke part of your updater

 

[vjek]

... Frontier have already stated that they see hacking as a serious breach of the game's T&Cs. Expect that when they're in a position to do so, they'll take appropriate action.

A generic comment is not a specific acknowledgement.
Personally, I've already seen how badly they handled the founder's world debacle. I have zero confidence they will handle this properly, given their past actions. So far, the delay ALONE is worse, never mind the lack of official response. Thirty seconds to post "we know, we will punish the offenders at some point" is obviously far beyond them, but they were quick enough to punish the early backers.

Morally, it's offensive to me how badly they treated those that trusted them, and how well they're treating those abusing them. No justice makes for a sad plebe.

 

[telperion]

Morally, it's offensive to me how badly they treated those that trusted them, and how well they're treating those abusing them. No justice makes for a sad plebe.

This sentiment is certainly shared by many of the backers. Frontier quite obviously don't care about it either. The concept of fairness seems to be something they utterly lack. What really gets me is that it would take almost no effort for them to redress the balance. In most cases merely communicating with the backers via email would have sufficed but even though they clearly know how to do mail shots (the newsletters prove that) they seem incapable of doing even a single one to the backers to explain why the rewards have changed or why there have been repeated delays even though they've managed to populate their store already or anything else for that matter.

Basically, they're only intersted in revenue streams and the backers revenue stream dried up so behaving in a reasonable manner no longer matters to them where the backers are concerned. There were lots of platitudes and promises made when they wanted the backers' money but once they had it.... Poof!.... all that disappeared in a puff of "screw them" smoke.

 

[Aigaion]

This sentiment is certainly shared by many of the backers. Frontier quite obviously don't care about it either.

That's exactly why I basically hate crowd funding. Devs usually use it to make money, once it's done, they literraly spit on backer's face to thank them for making theur game come truth. I promised myself to never again back for a game after the disaster that was The War Z, but I still did it for Elite : Dangerous, thinking things would be different, actually it is not. The announce of the game comming to consoles was the first deception they gave me, among with the fact they literally do nothing againt combat-logging and other gamebreaking exploits.

Elite: Dangerous is actually going down the bad way, wake up FDev, I love your damed game, stop doing stupids things...