Winter 2023 DLC Speculation

Captain Callum

Captain Callum
Marvinb said:
Idk if i look at Zootierlistes Top 25 common zoo animals we got 9 of them ingame, alot of them rather recently also.
That is about a 3rd
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Yeah I may be biased to north american collections. Birds, antelopes and domestics heavily bring down the suitable number of animals in real zoos but largely general representation is satisfactory. I'm not trying to come off as argumentative about this though, I know some zoos have very diverse collections that will never be reached ingame and I have a different viewpoint than most.
 
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becks474

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CharlieXGaming said:
But it’s not just occasional this time, both sloth bear and Saiga aren’t realistic, and if we get snub nosed monkey that’s 3. That’s a bit too much for me personally.
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The Sloth Bear is not unrealistic. At least it is bot significantly less hold in European Zoos tha the Sun Bear, the Spectacled Bear or the ABB are.
 

Cynogale bennettii II

Cynogale bennettii II
I've just looked around for information about the saiga antelope and its care in captivity - the conservationists involved in the husbandry guidelines make it pretty clear that they should only be kept within their current or historic range. They are incredibly susceptible to the damp - if they lay down on even slightly wet ground, they waterlog their fleece and can quickly die of respiratory disease. They are also among the most easily stressed ungulates in captivity, and if the slightest thing upsets them they will run at full tilt (around 80km/h) into a fence and break their own necks - the majority of deaths of captive saiga come from injuries sustained from colliding with fences. The main recommended way of reducing stress was keeping them behind visual barriers that they cannot see through, which hardly seems conducive to a zoo setting.


That said, I think the same could be said about the pronghorn. I didn't want them at all and I'll probably never use them, but I guess I'll just have to pretend they aren't there.
 

Orkan

Orkan
Cynogale bennettii II said:
I've just looked around for information about the saiga antelope and its care in captivity - the conservationists involved in the husbandry guidelines make it pretty clear that they should only be kept within their current or historic range. They are incredibly susceptible to the damp - if they lay down on even slightly wet ground, they waterlog their fleece and can quickly die of respiratory disease. They are also among the most easily stressed ungulates in captivity, and if the slightest thing upsets them they will run at full tilt (around 80km/h) into a fence and break their own necks - the majority of deaths of captive saiga come from injuries sustained from colliding with fences. The main recommended way of reducing stress was keeping them behind visual barriers that they cannot see through, which hardly seems conducive to a zoo setting.


That said, I think the same could be said about the pronghorn. I didn't want them at all and I'll probably never use them, but I guess I'll just have to pretend they aren't there.
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Yeah, but the pronghorn is actually kept in zoos,(even though only in NA) and as far as I can tell, doesn’t have those kinds of issues.
 

Marvinb

Marvinb
NachoB said:
Well yeah but most of the most common animals in the captivity are either birds (we know the situation in that front) or boring ungulates. So is better this way i guess lol
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Yeah fair opinion, but thats what a realistic zoo roster would look like.
So why are rare in captivity animals such a bad thing when most people dont want the incredibly common animals either, its kinda double standard to me
 

NachoB

NachoB
Marvinb said:
Yeah fair opinion, but thats what a realistic zoo roster would look like.
So why are rare in captivity animals such a bad thing when most people dont what the incredibly common animals either, its kinda double standard to me
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IDK i don't care about that argument at all. Is not something important to me if they are common in captivity or not. I just don't care about the saiga either, and there were other options that i would have liked better instead of it. Add to that that we might also be getting a wisent instead of a takin and this is honestly the most let down i've been since the Twilight pack.
 

Swjosdotschka

Swjosdotschka
Captain Callum said:
I think the same could be said about the sun bear, both bears are relatively uncommon in captivity but oddly enough the sun bear is perceived as a suitable animal unlike the sloth bear.
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Logic of this community. Gotta love it :ROFLMAO: In the mean time enough people are screaming for the african leopard that has the same situation as the Sloth Bear. Even less holdings.
 

Moonfox

Moonfox
I love this pack so far! It has 4/4 top wishlist animals for me, and they have great biome diversity. I’m looking forward to watching content creators build more cold climate habitats, and hopefully themed guest areas with a Central Asian theme - YouTube is so saturated with African and Tropical builds, and I need inspiration for different parts of the globe.

I’m still hoping for a flying bird WE, though it’s unlikely. Really hoping for a snowy owl, or at least a habitat bird like a pheasant or monal.

I also think the gift shops are very game changing! The piece count of building gift shops was unbelievable and caused so much lag in my games, and now we have functional modular pieces that are going to make it so much easier to build gift shops, with massively lower piece count and functionality.

I’m also so sick of this doom talk about Frontier. Enough already. They’re doing fine, and Planet Zoo is the most stable game they have. I see DLC and great updates continuing for years to come.
 

becks474

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NachoB said:
Well yeah but most of the most common animals in the captivity are either birds (we know the situation in that front) or boring ungulates. So is better this way i guess lol
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Or with another Point of View. Ungulates and boring birds. The birds area with the Flying birds of the Zoos always is the part which I have the Most less interest to see. But I Love the diversity of the different ungulates.
 

Marvinb

Marvinb
Captain Callum said:
Yeah I may be biased to north american collections. Birds, antelopes and domestics heavily bring down the suitable number of animals in real zoos but largely general representation is satisfactory. Not wanting to argue this though, I know some zoos have very diverse collections that will never be reached ingame.
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I didnt even mean specific spezies like deer that are common in europe vs deer that are common in NA. I meant animal groups in general.
Like monkeys are so abundent in zoos yet we barely have any.
A big chunk of the most common animals are domestics and petting zoo species, from which we also have a really lackluster roster.
Dont even get me started on birds, even aviary species aside, grouping all ducks together you would probably outnumber the next thing on the list by several times, pheasants are in a simial situation
 

Cynogale bennettii II

Cynogale bennettii II
Orkan said:
Yeah, but the pronghorn is actually kept in zoos,(even though only in NA) and as far as I can tell, doesn’t have those kinds of issues.
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Everything I have seen on the subject suggests that pronghorn are only kept in regions where they are or were native - they don't seem to be kept in humid places like Florida and all attempts to keep them outside North America have failed, seemingly because of the climate. At first they may seem to do well and even breed successfully, but very soon they start dying off and none are left.
 

Orkan

Orkan
Cynogale bennettii II said:
Everything I have seen on the subject suggests that pronghorn are only kept in regions where they are or were native - they don't seem to be kept in humid places like Florida and all attempts to keep them outside North America have failed, seemingly because of the climate. At first they may seem to do well and even breed successfully, but very soon they start dying off and none are left.
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There are some at Roger Williams Zoo in Rhode Island, somewhere they were never native to
 

Markiz

Markiz
Antimony96 said:
I will say, my hometown zoo had two male sloth bears born this year, and they are very cute even if the bears were hiding in my visit this year.
https://twitter.com/x/status/1730012539566633229
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Cynogale bennettii II

Cynogale bennettii II
Looked a bit further regarding the pronghorn, and they can sometimes be kept in humid conditions but equally often they all just die off. Certainly, nowhere outside North America has ever had long-term success with them, and there are none outside North America currently. They also have a similar self-destructive behaviour when it comes to fences as the saiga does, although again maybe not to the same extent.
 

Animalbren

Animalbren
Cynogale bennettii II said:
Looked a bit further regarding the pronghorn, and they can sometimes be kept in humid conditions but equally often they all just die off. Certainly, nowhere outside North America has ever had long-term success with them, and there are none outside North America currently. They also have a similar self-destructive behaviour when it comes to fences as the saiga does, although again maybe not to the same extent.
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Generally running into fences and dying is an ungulate behavior more than anything

Quite a few giraffe and zebra deaths have been attributed to running into a fence and breaking something
 

biggest_dreamer

biggest_dreamer
CharlieXGaming said:
That were at least realistic for real zoos. Snub nosed monkey, saiga, sloth bear are all very uncommon in zoos.
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uhhh one of those things is not like the others lol. Sloth bears are uncommon, sure, but they’re only just uncommon. Golden snub nosed monkeys do not exist outside of China, and saiga exist in what, a single traditional zoo period?

Anyway I’m trying to not let myself get too worked up over the monkey until it’s actually confirmed. Do the right thing, Frontier.
 
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