X55 Rhino Button Layout with Reference Card

[Aussiedroid]

Great to hear Elprez! Happy it has helped someone out and appreciate the feedback too! I'll update my instructions too to add changing USB ports as a possible solution for others.

Umm, I know with setting up the curves you can drag/move from the graph, or manually type in the values in the right side of the window.

Have you tried just typing in the values perhaps?

Seems very odd if the others are working but just those options are greyed out. Tried a full restart of your system too? or running the Saitek sofware in admin mode maybe. (Just spit-ballin some ideas )

 

[Elprez]

Great to hear Elprez! Happy it has helped someone out and appreciate the feedback too! I'll update my instructions too to add changing USB ports as a possible solution for others.

Umm, I know with setting up the curves you can drag/move from the graph, or manually type in the values in the right side of the window.

Have you tried just typing in the values perhaps?

Seems very odd if the others are working but just those options are greyed out. Tried a full restart of your system too? or running the Saitek sofware in admin mode maybe. (Just spit-ballin some ideas )

Ya I tried that. All adjustments on the screen are dead. Weird. I was hoping the curve adjustment would help in my dead zone. With me not touching the stuck there tends to be a very slight movement in the ship. I can tap the stick and it levels out. I was thinking maybe trying a different sping to see if it stops that. Not a big deal but if I could correct it that would be a plus.

 

[Aussiedroid]

The settings must be stored somewhere in a file for the curves etc. Had a look last night but I couldn't locate them, but if you knew the file to edit you might be able to do it manually using notepad rather than by the UI.

Also, just to add, I noticed on my system last night that all the buttons were unselectable when I didn't have the controllers plugged in. Wonder if it might be having issues finding the controller (even tho its working elsewhere)?

 

[ShadowWolf Kell]

I can't be the only guy who finds the H3 top hat under the thruster completely useless, my thumb does not fit into the space for the hat, making it painful to use.
So I have the pinky rocker on thruster set for lateral thrusters, and using the lower hat H4 for forward/reverse left right thrusters.
Thumbs up for the pinky spinner target subsytems though! I had not thought of that.

That's why I have it mapped to several locations. I have rotaries for constant thrust in a desired direction while in heavy combat leaving my thumb free, one specifically for landing and one for general use.



Always tweaking stuff. I use the mouse for starport menus and the galaxy map, and the only keyboard command I use is M for Map. Still debating on what to map the other unused buttons to.

 

[PowerShot]

Yep, I have it on the stick hats. You, see there are UI controls marked at the bottom of two hat squares. I changed a little. Switch throttle hates functions. 'cause in a fight I was turning on panels accidently. And switched Flight assist and Reverse.

Unfortunately not. The mode switch only affects the three bottom switches. But I have reverse toggle at my index finger when holding the throttle, so it's very easy to go in reverse anyways.

That sounded wrong, maybe I misunderstand the quote. Mode switches goes for everything you can switch or push. I have not yet used this software from Saitek, but you could set makro's. I have seen many smart thing from others done inside the Saitek software profiler. You could also set how the throttle and stick axis shall react in moving. You can form the curves yourself as it will profit your style. You could program so it start with small, slow movement, fine adjustment, and at the end part you will have bigger movement rate, so you turn faster around. Now you have just one synchrony movement all the way on the axis. That's how I understand it so fare. So, I wonder why so many don't use the software, especially when they miss out of the uses of modes.

But anyway, it an interesting future to add, having mode 1 to be 0-100% and mode 2 to be -100 to +100. I will check this up when I begin to program my new X-55. Soon I also have TrackIR 5.

 

[Aussiedroid]

That's why I have it mapped to several locations. I have rotaries for constant thrust in a desired direction while in heavy combat leaving my thumb free, one specifically for landing and one for general use.

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Always tweaking stuff. I use the mouse for starport menus and the galaxy map, and the only keyboard command I use is M for Map. Still debating on what to map the other unused buttons to.

I found I had quite a few buttons free too, but maybe my profile can give you some ideas how to fill them. I still could fit more, but I find I have everything I need (plus some I dont really need) mapped now.

That sounded wrong, maybe I misunderstand the quote. Mode switches goes for everything you can switch or push. I have not yet used this software from Saitek, but you could set makro's. I have seen many smart thing from others done inside the Saitek software profiler. You could also set how the throttle and stick axis shall react in moving. You can form the curves yourself as it will profit your style. You could program so it start with small, slow movement, fine adjustment, and at the end part you will have bigger movement rate, so you turn faster around. Now you have just one synchrony movement all the way on the axis. That's how I understand it so fare. So, I wonder why so many don't use the software, especially when they miss out of the uses of modes.

But anyway, it an interesting future to add, having mode 1 to be 0-100% and mode 2 to be -100 to +100. I will check this up when I begin to program my new X-55. Soon I also have TrackIR 5.

I think the limitation on this is with ED itself, since you cannot have both options mapped in the game at the same time. In theory you should be able to use the mode switch to change between both, but need the option to map both at the same time in ED.

 

[PowerShot]

What to use, keyboard layout or x-55 layout in game to map in to the Saitek software?

So I will now finally begin the key mapping of my very new Saitek X-55. I have decided that I will go for the Saitek x-55 profile software when key binding, because of the flexibility with modes and some other great future.

You get so much more, and easy to change. But what is recommended? Start from the x-55 profile in game, and map from there into software? Or just change to keyboard layout in game, and then map this key bindings into Saitek x-55 profile software?

I think the software have some very smart functions. You have to just get to learn about some genius future, how to do. Look at this video from frooglesim about some programming of the Saitek X-55 Software.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hr9Oi1jc4wg

 

[Aussiedroid]

So I will now finally begin the key mapping of my very new Saitek X-55. I have decided that I will go for the Saitek x-55 profile software when key binding, because of the flexibility with modes and some other great future.

You get so much more, and easy to change. But what is recommended? Start from the x-55 profile in game, and map from there into software? Or just change to keyboard layout in game, and then map this key bindings into Saitek x-55 profile software?

I think the software have some very smart functions. You have to just get to learn about some genius future, how to do. Look at this video from frooglesim about some programming of the Saitek X-55 Software.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hr9Oi1jc4wg

For me, I started with the default and played a few hours of the game. Added the things or moved things as I went. Once I got a decent idea on what I wanted though, I started a fresh/blank profile for ED & Saitek and built it from there. Guess it depends what is easier for you to begin with. This was the first HOTAS I have ever had so I felt I needed to go through that to get my head around the controls and make sure I am setting up buttons in the right places.

You can also try my profile in my sig (page 26 I think of this thread) as another option to get you started, and just change and tweak to your liking

You might find it a bit limiting to go for a full Saitek profile setup (as in go keyboard settings in ED and map them all to Saitek s/w). You might be best going for the default X55 profile so you can get the proper analog axis mapped and tweak to suit your needs. By the way, most keys and functions automatically register direct in ED so can be easy to change around without using the Saitek software.

That is a good video too, I used it to learn a bit more about the software. Its an awful design IMO, but works for the most. Just not that clear or user friendly.

 

[PowerShot]

For me, I started with the default and played a few hours of the game. Added the things or moved things as I went. Once I got a decent idea on what I wanted though, I started a fresh/blank profile for ED & Saitek and built it from there. Guess it depends what is easier for you to begin with. This was the first HOTAS I have ever had so I felt I needed to go through that to get my head around the controls and make sure I am setting up buttons in the right places.

You can also try my profile in my sig (page 26 I think of this thread) as another option to get you started, and just change and tweak to your liking

You might find it a bit limiting to go for a full Saitek profile setup (as in go keyboard settings in ED and map them all to Saitek s/w). You might be best going for the default X55 profile so you can get the proper analog axis mapped and tweak to suit your needs. By the way, most keys and functions automatically register direct in ED so can be easy to change around without using the Saitek software.

That is a good video too, I used it to learn a bit more about the software. Its an awful design IMO, but works for the most. Just not that clear or user friendly.

Yes it was you with that reg key tweak for the Mouse nipple on throttle. I liked you profile, apart from some small change I would do differently, like for example the slider where you used it to the frameshift drive.

I have begun to program X-55 last night. I see that Saitek program is not the most user-friendly, especially in the beginning. One need some guides here. But I find this SBK button a bit difficult. I want to when switch SBK back position to get reverse for the throttle. I want it to full throttle forward when SBK button is in the forward position. I've done it to a button in Saitek menu profiler and as toggle in ED. But when SBK switch is forward position, then the ship throttle gas goes backwards when I give gas. I wish that it was vice versa. But it may be that this is an on and off switch, and not so easy to get tweak that way.

I have incidentally started with x-55 profiles in the ED, and to set up the most of it into the x-55 software it self.

I would like to be able to use modes, it gives flexibility, especially at a later stage. But I assumes that you just need to experience the Saitek X-55 software profiler. It is not as easy. But it should have been a proper ED tutorial for the Saitek software Profiler. That's what we need

 

[Aussiedroid]

Cool PowerShot! Yeah I think everyone is unique and will do things a little differently when it comes to the buttons settings, but sounds like you are well on your way to sorting it out

Yeah the slider is a bit limited like that (bit of the reason why I ended up with SC on it). You can't really set the down or up directions to be specific keys. With it as supercruise for example, it could be up or down to engage it depending on the last position of the slider. No way to really change that, that I have found yet. I do find it gets in sync a lot of the time, where up is on and down is off, but not guaranteed.

From what I saw with the modes, it is not a hard thing to setup. There is a screen in the software where it can show all modes together and you can easily copy commands from one to the other. I was interested in setting up the mode switch just to change the joystick to analog thrusters for when you are in Flight Assist Off mode (or at least play around with that setup and see how it works since I don't have rudder pedals), but as the axis need to be mapped in ED not Saitek it cant really be done. Haven't really found a need for a different mode for anything else so far, although you could probably set one up for dockings if you use the additional commands you can do for that.

 

[PowerShot]

Cool PowerShot! Yeah I think everyone is unique and will do things a little differently when it comes to the buttons settings, but sounds like you are well on your way to sorting it out

Yeah the slider is a bit limited like that (bit of the reason why I ended up with SC on it). You can't really set the down or up directions to be specific keys. With it as supercruise for example, it could be up or down to engage it depending on the last position of the slider. No way to really change that, that I have found yet. I do find it gets in sync a lot of the time, where up is on and down is off, but not guaranteed.

From what I saw with the modes, it is not a hard thing to setup. There is a screen in the software where it can show all modes together and you can easily copy commands from one to the other. I was interested in setting up the mode switch just to change the joystick to analog thrusters for when you are in Flight Assist Off mode (or at least play around with that setup and see how it works since I don't have rudder pedals), but as the axis need to be mapped in ED not Saitek it cant really be done. Haven't really found a need for a different mode for anything else so far, although you could probably set one up for dockings if you use the additional commands you can do for that.

Ok, I understand, it look like this switch is only on and off switch. But this reg fix about the mouse nipple. If I do this, can I still use it as a mouse if I want to, or do this function disappear when the reg fix is added?

For know I use top hat H3 for thrust up, down, left and right. I even did manage to use 8 way move on this, by using macros, not only 4 ways as standard in ED. That could not be done inside ED. So that was a cool and more flexible thing to do. Maybe I use this reg fix of yours, and move the thrusters up, down, left and right over to the mouse nipple as you do it.

This mode thing is very cool. You can make a war mode, where you give a full shield, or full power to weapon with just one button switch, done by macros. I did continue to use x-55 profile in ed, and build it from there, then I just change it underways. It's not so hard. There is a profile on Saitek web page with some pre standard programmed buttons ready to just insert into Saitek Software.


I even downloaded yours, to just watch how you do it, so now I have your profile inside ED's setting for controller.

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Wonder if I could make some special super flight patterns with a switch programmed with macros, some super roll I can use in a dog fight?

 

[Aussiedroid]

I haven't used the nipple for a mouse, but did notice the options were still there in the Saitek software post installing the reg fix. What I think the reg fix does is basically add a mapping for that axis for windows to recognise the command. Once added it allows you to map directly into ED as it can 'see' the button/axis, which couldn't be done previously (ie only mouse controls no other options).

Thrusters I still keep on both the nipple and the hat switch. Nipple has analog range where as the hat switch as digital. Hat switch I use more for landings etc, and the nipple more for combat. Good to have the flexibility .. Might check out trying to map it 8 ways on the hat switch too, like you have. Sounds like it might be handy and haven't thought of that before!

The Power Schemes are a life saver for me! I was getting joint pain in my thumb before mapping those due to the constant use of re-balancing the PIPS.

If you can pull off some sort of macro for combat maneuvers I would love for you to share. Some sort of evasive maneuver when running or something I think would be cool, or something that combines FA Off for quick turn etc.

 

[SPCStarFighter]

Many Thanks

Just wanted to say a big "Thank You" for this posting, since getting ED on 6th Feb 2015 I have been using a Mad Catz F.L.Y. 5 and have been thinking of upgrading it to an X55 Rhino as I've already managed to break the first FLY5 I got (I'm a little "EXUBERANT" when I get into a dog fight and the poor joystick came out nearly as badly as my opponent did !! (OOOPS!) and the fact that the X55 Rhino is built a little more ....... SOLIDLY is probably a good thing for me (and my wallet) the local PC World replaced the FLY5 but weren't happy about it and I don't think I'd get away with trying it again.
Hence the thought of upgrading but I was concerned about compatibility so this post is great (and many thanks to INaeem for pointing me to this post)
Now just got to decide where to order it from Amazon.co.uk or Mad Catz directly..
Thanks again everyone.

 

[Aussiedroid]

Just wanted to say a big "Thank You" for this posting, since getting ED on 6th Feb 2015 I have been using a Mad Catz F.L.Y. 5 and have been thinking of upgrading it to an X55 Rhino as I've already managed to break the first FLY5 I got (I'm a little "EXUBERANT" when I get into a dog fight and the poor joystick came out nearly as badly as my opponent did !! (OOOPS!) and the fact that the X55 Rhino is built a little more ....... SOLIDLY is probably a good thing for me (and my wallet) the local PC World replaced the FLY5 but weren't happy about it and I don't think I'd get away with trying it again.
Hence the thought of upgrading but I was concerned about compatibility so this post is great (and many thanks to INaeem for pointing me to this post)
Now just got to decide where to order it from Amazon.co.uk or Mad Catz directly..
Thanks again everyone.

Coolies! Think it will be a bit of an upgrade for you

Hope you like using it!

 

[PowerShot]

Saitek X-55 the Binding Map Picture?

Aussiedroid

Nice set up for TrackIR5 on ED. I tried it. And thanks for this easy profiles you zipped in for us to download. I learned a great deal from them. I wil post mine when finished

I just wondering. I have seen your print out for your X-55 set up profile here in this post thread, and I see that you have manage to get the macro keys printed on to the set up picture, still if it's done with macro or just keyboard keys, etch as for automatic landing requests. If I use this: http://www.mcdee.net/elite, the macro keys or keyboard key input will not be recognised on the picture print out, just empty spaces.

Do I need to alter the switches on the hotas the manual ways, writing in the text about witch switches to use to what, they that is done with macros? It would be nice to have this map picture you have.

I have also seen you screen set up picture, and it differences from the link I point to here in this post. So, what program do you use to get this nice easy print out drawing, so a don't have to alter all this macro and ordinary keys manually?

I have not tried the print functions on Saitek HUD, because I'm empty for printer colour. It will be here tomorrow.

One things for sure, you learn about the ship keys and the HOTAS doing this.

 

[Hexcaliber]

Now just got to decide where to order it from Amazon.co.uk or Mad Catz directly..
Thanks again everyone.

It is cheaper to order from newegg atm £130 if you're in the UK http://www.newegg.com/global/uk/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16826102073

 

[SPCStarFighter]

It is cheaper to order from newegg atm £130 if you're in the UK http://www.newegg.com/global/uk/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16826102073

Thx for the info but Newegg want to charge me £48.57 P&P !!!! I think I might be getting it from Amazon as they're offering it for £154.99 with free P&P or I could get it from MadCatz for £169.99 with free P&P but they bundling their MadCatz F.R.E.Q.3 headphones with it, so an extra £15 but you get the headphones which they usually sell for £70 (are they any good I wonder ?) and do I really need another set of headphones ? But it's only £15 so ............ Hmmmmm.

 

[Aussiedroid]

Nice set up for TrackIR5 on ED. I tried it. And thanks for this easy profiles you zipped in for us to download. I learned a great deal from them. I wil post mine when finished

I just wondering. I have seen your print out for your X-55 set up profile here in this post thread, and I see that you have manage to get the macro keys printed on to the set up picture, still if it's done with macro or just keyboard keys, etch as for automatic landing requests. If I use this: http://www.mcdee.net/elite, the macro keys or keyboard key input will not be recognised on the picture print out, just empty spaces.

Do I need to alter the switches on the hotas the manual ways, writing in the text about witch switches to use to what, they that is done with macros? It would be nice to have this map picture you have.

I have also seen you screen set up picture, and it differences from the link I point to here in this post. So, what program do you use to get this nice easy print out drawing, so a don't have to alter all this macro and ordinary keys manually?

I have not tried the print functions on Saitek HUD, because I'm empty for printer colour. It will be here tomorrow.

One things for sure, you learn about the ship keys and the HOTAS doing this.

Thanks Powershot! I can't take full credit for the TrackIR profile settings. I can't remember who it was, but someone posted a good base setup that completely changed how I was looking at those graphs. Once I understood that, everything clicked and I used that to modified it further to work as smoothly as possible, specifically increasing the deadzone around the side panels since I had troubles hold that position.

The reference map, I originally used the website you linked to print out the keys it does recognise, but it only can read your ED profile, not Saitek profile. As a result, I ended up grabbing the output from the website, then put it into Photoshop and manually adding the macro and missing keys (and making it all pretty and all that ). Needed it also to clearly display those keys that have multiple functions, plus the colours help a lot to quickly see what is what.

I am happy to provide the template psd to download, but it will be a bit messy (I am a bit of a hack at Photoshop). Need some basic Photoshp skills & the software off course. Still let me know and I will clean it up a bit and post a link for download.

 

[Athan]

If anyone's dithering over buying an X-55 then maybe Linus Tech Tips' review will help:

[video=youtube;InJS9Dhon04]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=InJS9Dhon04[/video]

 

[Elprez]

I am using Aussies button layout and profile. It is working good but I want to modify a couple of things? I was afraid I would mess up what I already have working so what are the steps to modify an existing profile without breaking it? I ask because I load a profile in Saitek and a profile in ED. Do I simply go into option on the ED side and find the command and assign there?

Thanks in advance!