You think thats funny but AEDC and AOS got almost entirely demoralized by those attacks and those are not some low tier BGS cmdrs. They lost good portion of commanders and Elite lost many devoted players.I'm not winning so it must be Bots. I am the center of the story after all.
BGS overhaul Open, Solo, Group debate
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Wasnt my aim on that instance, What i was trying to say is that we dont need seperate copy of the galaxy and force subscription for it.
You dont need to enjoy pvp to do bgs. I didnt say you as PVE would have no more PVE things to do thats why i recommended that PVE users would get extra ATR support and buffs as long they dont start attack on cmdrs and just carry on with the mission. But you could still ask other cmdrs for escort to make even more impact on BGS when they are protecting you forcing your attackers get out and accumulate influence towards your desired faction
Robert Maynard
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Players who don't enjoy PvP don't need to play among players who do - in this game - by design.
Robert Maynard
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Nope - bots are cheating.
Affecting the BGS in any of the modes is not cheating.
It is not only my right to eschew PvP, it is also my right (given by the three game mode / single shared galaxy state design) to play the game without being bothered by players who do enjoy PvP.
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I think there are many reasons for attrition, bots is only one of them - and likely not the biggest reason. YMMV
BGS on open is good idea, many people sometimes are tired because someone is undermining them on Solo or PG, and just leave the game. Defending their territory in Open would be much more interesting. You all who who say thats BGS is designed for everyone got only point that you have skill in grinding only
Robert Maynard
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Opinions naturally vary on whether PvP-gating the BGS would be a good idea.
Yes Solo/PG is not cheating but its the best tool for the cheaters to abuse, beside dont forget there is almost zero points for emergent gameplay and revolving politics in game and thats just sad in this game. It could do far more if there would be better design.
BGS is a Background Simulation not some kind of strategy game.
You can certainly play it like that but you gotta come to grips with the mode system. Them's the breaks.
You can certainly play it like that but you gotta come to grips with the mode system. Them's the breaks.
I disagree, it is some kind of strategy, but you fight against invisible enemy
I'd support Solo mode not having the BGS at all, but an offline galaxy, with a fixed or code-controlled markets etc.
If you want to pay "alone" but in the BGS-galaxy and not in Open, you can always play in your private group. Kick out all other members, and it's a solo-mode group of 1 after all.
If you want to pay "alone" but in the BGS-galaxy and not in Open, you can always play in your private group. Kick out all other members, and it's a solo-mode group of 1 after all.
Outside of your timezone, or platform, all of your 'enemies' are invisible, unless you are able to be on all 3 platforms, 24/7 and everywhere at the same time, the BGS is going to be influenced outside of your control.
Sounds like the usual song 'if I can't see them, I can't shoot them' rather than considering the methods in which you can fight back - as has already been suggested.
Why did you not suggest that all modes except Solo be removed instead, that would put everyone on an even footing
(Cynicism by me, not a serious suggestion)Robert Maynard
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Still nope - I would not be able to interact with my Faction.
.... plus it'd probably be highly exploitable if players had no effect at all on a Faction / station / market in Solo or PG....
The suggestion is not a compromise - it is still a removal of content from players who don't want to play in Open.
It would be a choice to choose your own faction to be affected to solo/pg. That is huge compromise you dont lose anything only thing is you would be disabled to actively undermine other player factions.
Robert Maynard
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My faction is a PMF....
.... and reducing the scope of the proposed solution, when not all players even agree that there is a problem to be solved, is not a compromise - bargaining, yes, compromise, no.
Nothing is being offered in return for the removal of content from Solo / PGs.
Messing about with the BGS isn't a PVP activity, and has no need to become one.