No Single Player offline Mode then?

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CMDR Byrt Makklin

CMDR Byrt Makklin
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Originally Posted by ICDP Can those who want a refund get one please?




Im starting to find Michael's cryptic answers rather cute. He certainly would have made a fine politician had he not been lured by the darker side.

I will bravely assume that he means 'Yes, you can get a refund', and if this is the case, then I must commend FD for at least providing an avenue for backers to receive some compensen.
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At least he didn't link to the page which says "yah no noones gets a refund cos reasons" this time...
 

Kicks

Kicks
SJT said:
Please stop the trolling. Why else would it have been moved from general to beta? Can you come up with a decent answer?
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1) The game is still in beta.
2) This decision affects anyone who has backed the game.
3) The Beta-Discussion forums isn't closed off to backers-only, it's just as public as General.
4) My "It's a conspiracy" joke picture is no more or less trolling than accusing Frontier of deceit.
5) Do you honestly think David Braben is in to deceit?
6) I mean really?
7) No, I didn't think so either :)
 

sbdags

sbdags
Tim Wheatley said:
Ok, thanks. I am hugely disappointed, but I understand your decision. ED was in large part my nostalgia for Elite II, reason I backed and the reason I wanted to play the game that way. This does make that impossible, but won't be the end.

I do feel like I misled people who follow my ED videos, etc, so I am sure you feel pretty crappy yourself right now for the same reasons.

If you'll take advice, you're going to get heat from this, I would suggest pre-emptive action explaining why, and what options people have on refunds, etc, giving them a cutoff date to apply for one.

I've been here all night simply because I wanted to know, I haven't been offensive, etc, but they'll be coming... Good luck mods. :)
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Thank you Tim for writing something sensible on the topic. It's good to see someone thinking it through clearly.
 

SJT

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Kicks said:
And if they believe that its' removal makes the overall game better because of it, then I support the decision.

Provided the multi-player issues are addressed ;)
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That's fair enough and I agree with you. But the decision was not made this week. Michael Brookes said so a few posts back. I'd like to know when exactly the decision was made and why the information was kept from backers.
 

Titus Balls

Titus Balls
mattensky said:
Priceless.

Do you really not get it? It's simple. Some people won't be able to play this game. They bought it thinking it had offline play. They are upset. Although they are entitled to their money back, they are also upset because they were looking forward to playing it. How is that being selfish?

It's not about you, Titus.
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noodle

noodle
Kicks said:
1) The game is still in beta.
2) This decision affects anyone who has backed the game.
3) The Beta-Discussion forums isn't closed off to backers-only, it's just as public as General.
4) My "It's a conspiracy" joke picture is no more or less trolling than accusing Frontier of deceit.
5) Do you honestly think David Braben is in to deceit?
6) I mean really?
7) No, I didn't think so either :)
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He runs a publicly listed company. I'm sure he's a lovely bloke, but a bit of deceit is pretty much a job requirement ;)
 

Juniper

Juniper
Michael Brookes said:
To make that happen we'd essentially have to create two games. The servers handle more than just the data, they handle all the key processes for interaction in the game, so trading, mission generation and background simulation to name a few.

The decision wasn't made this week, we've spend a lot of time and effort trying to come up with a way that would allow us to support offline play - however the answer is no we can't.

Michael
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Hi Michael

You were surely aware from as early in development as two years ago that offline mode was an important (and for some, essential) part of the game.

Why was it not taken into account from that point in every design decision & technical choice that was made, to allow for that? It's completely inexcusable that it wasn't.

This isn't a last minute request - it's been there as a core from the start, and serious money has changed hands as a result of what has been advertised for the last two years.

You might have intended for the best way to play being online only, but many people (including me) really do not care about online. They pledged high or bought the game precisely because it promised an offline mode.

I am trying very hard to be civil & not let my blood boil up again, but it is extremely hard... especially given the way this has been communicated to the backers without even the courtesy of an apology.

A refund of my £1000 or so would be out of the question I'm sure. I don't want a refund. I want to know why backers were misled when you had no intention of giving them what they pledged for from day one, as evidenced by the technical decisions made & the corner you appear to have painted yourselves into.

Thank you.
 
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Tim Wheatley

Tim Wheatley
Titus Balls said:
Yes, it's not about me. It's about everyone.

The point I was making is that if the rugs are pulled from under Frontier now, then they will have ZERO opportunity to try fix this issue. Do you not think now they see how serious this is to people?

It's possible Monday morning a not-small number of the team will be pulled off releasing the final game to work on this issue, meaning that what is released on the 16th December might be even less than they hoped to put out for the general public.

But I wonder if they should now because the damage is already done - everyone has thrown their toys out the pram and by demanding refunds and doing chargebacks based on one newsletter and not giving Frontier a right of reply this is EXACTLY what has happened.
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There is no 'fixing' this issue. No offline mode. Full stop. See Michael's recent posts. I don't think any staff will be moved from current duties. Though they might need some forum mods for a few days. :)
 

DhuAlan

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Titus Balls said:
Yes, it's not about me. It's about everyone.

The point I was making is that if the rugs are pulled from under Frontier now, then they will have ZERO opportunity to try fix this issue. Do you not think now they see how serious this is to people?

It's possible Monday morning a not-small number of the team will be pulled off releasing the final game to work on this issue, meaning that what is released on the 16th December might be even less than they hoped to put out for the general public.

But I wonder if they should now because the damage is already done - everyone has thrown their toys out the pram and by demanding refunds and doing chargebacks based on one newsletter and not giving Frontier a right of reply this is EXACTLY what has happened.
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Good morning Titus,

Michael has confirmed offline is a dead duck pg 96 ish so no they will not be popping some staff on it Monday.
 

Kicks

Kicks
SJT said:
That's fair enough and I agree with you. But the decision was not made this week. Michael Brookes said so a few posts back. I'd like to know when exactly the decision was made and why the information was kept from backers.
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I believe he responded to that by saying that although the decision wasn't made this week - they had to be absolutely convinced that Offline would not be currently possible. Ostensibly because they knew exactly what the result would be, and wanted to be sure that is what they wanted to do. Far better that, than to make the announcement, then 3 days later turn around on that and go "Oh actually, we can do it"... because that would annoy people even more!!
 

Tim Wheatley

Tim Wheatley
Juniper said:
Hi Michael

You were surely aware from as early in development as two years ago that offline mode was an important (and for some, essential) part of the game.

Why was it not taken into account from that point in every design decision & technical choice that was made, to allow for that? It's completely inexcusable that it wasn't.

This isn't a last minute request - it's been there as a core from the start, and serious money has changed hands as a result of what has been advertised for the last two years.

You might have intended for the best way to play being online only, but many people (including me) really do not care about online. They pledged high or bought the game precisely because it promised an offline mode.

I am trying very hard to be civil & not let my blood boil up again, but it is extremely hard... especially given the way this has been communicated to the backers without even the courtesy of an apology.

A refund of my £1000 or so would be out of the question I'm sure. I don't want a refund. I want to know why backers were misled when you had no intention of giving them what they pledged for from day one.

Thank you.
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I'd like to know, but I suspect Michael is the messenger coming on a forum because he cares, while unable to give answers to most of what he's being asked. I've been in the same position.
 

Dosse

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This news makes me pretty sad. I was looking so much forward to this game, and the promise of the offline mode was a key selling argument for me (i would have bought is sooner or later, but key argument for supporting it early). With the new information that have come forth, it means i will only be able to play the game during the weekends.

Reason is that my workplace is very far away from where i live, so i rent a room near my work during the weeks. Problem is, they do not have any internet connection, and refuse to get one, so i wont be able to play any games that require an internet connection 24/7. That leaves me with 2 options, either find another place to rent or just suck it up and only be able to play 1 and a half day a week. First option is more or less out of the question since there really are no other places to rent. I have tried, trust me. That leaves me with option 2, and that really is'nt an option in my book. So as it stands now, ED will more or less end up on the shelf collecting dust until such a time my situation changes (no time soon i am afraid).

I am sure i am not alone in this situation, or similar situation.

So thank you FD for geting me hyped on a game i have been looking forward to and then snatching it away on the finish line. You just made me a very sad camper.
 
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SJT

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Kicks said:
1) The game is still in beta.
2) This decision affects anyone who has backed the game.
3) The Beta-Discussion forums isn't closed off to backers-only, it's just as public as General.
4) My "It's a conspiracy" joke picture is no more or less trolling than accusing Frontier of deceit.
5) Do you honestly think David Braben is in to deceit?
6) I mean really?
7) No, I didn't think so either :)
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1) Meaningless. People have purchased a retail pre-realease on the basis that there was going be an offline mode. They are entitled to a refund.
2) Yes it does. What's your point?
3) People are less likely to visit the beta forum than the general when evaluating whether or not to buy the game.
4) I'm serious. I'm not trolling.
5) I can't say whether David Braben is "in to" deceit on a day to day basis or not. I'm not accusing him personally. I'm accusing the organisation he represented in the newsletter.
6) As above
7) As above
 
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