we backed a kickstarter project. keep that in mind.

[Meths]

Totally agree with the OP

STOP!! saying ' bait and switch' is this a new American thing?

 

[Skeloton]

Not much. Up until recently there hasn't been enough content to keep me playing more than a couple of days (maybe 4 hours on each of those days) after each phase of Alpha and Beta. I dropped £20 on Kerbal Space Program and I've clocked 500+ hours so far and it still hold my interest. It being offline and modable helps.

I think I can one up you.

Space Engineers £12. 1124hrs played. Still playing. Its offline and increasingly modable.

 

[Mobius]

I too dropped $150 on Elite (which I got a refund for after the no offline announcement).

may I say that I have a great respect for you doing that, if backers follow the same protocol as you have demonstrated then maybe Frontier may rethink their policy.

 

[Vasious]

Whilst I agree, I backed a Kickstarter project, that is always subject to changes, things might be different for those who pre-ordered.
But I have the luxury of being not fussed so...

 

[Mobius]

Whilst I agree, I backed a Kickstarter project, that is always subject to changes, things might be different for those who pre-ordered.
But I have the luxury of being not fussed so...

I also agree, I will be playing online, at the end of the day I wanted Elite to be made, but the question also needs to be asked what happens 10 years down the line when they decide to shut down the servers?. I want to be playing this elite for the next 30 years,

 

[Waldi]

I too dropped $150 on Elite (which I got a refund for after the no offline announcement). I played for 10 hours then got bored and waited. Every major patch, I'd play a couple hours and get bored. I went out and bought space engineers and am having a blast 100 hours and counting. ED is not worth $50 tbh, seems like it could pass for an indie game. Even Starpoint Gemini 2 is a much more fun game and it cost 1/5.

That may be your opinion, I would gladly spend twice as much as I have already on ED for what we have already. I cant wait for the final version, 15,760 mins played (262 hours) and loving every single minute

 

[Vasious]

I also agree, I will be playing online, at the end of the day I wanted Elite to be made, but the question also needs to be asked what happens 10 years down the line when they decide to shut down the servers?. I want to be playing this elite for the next 30 years,

In 10 years it might not be a problem.

 

[xxThe_Dice_manxx]

With you Mobius,great post.

 

[SirFreddie]

That sounds reasonable

Oooops missed the quote...

I also agree, I will be playing online, at the end of the day I wanted Elite to be made, but the question also needs to be asked what happens 10 years down the line when they decide to shut down the servers?. I want to be playing this elite for the next 30 years,

30 years ago I was playing Elite with a rubber keyboard and a Kempston joystick...30 years from now I hope I'm alive and playing something more amazing than E D

 

[vonFelty]

+1 Excellent Post!

But we are living in the "Age of Entitlement" , not sure how many are going to agree with you.

Stop being an apologist. When you pay money for a product you should be entitled to what you pay for. No amount of excuses gets around that. Businesses would love for everyone to suck it up and take it (billions are made a year from screwing over customers who don't complain), but what needs to happen is that consumers unite and put a stop to any failure of promise any time it is met on the market. Now FDev isn't as guilty as say Ubisoft at the moment, but the community could do with solitary. Community members should not stick up for failures of the company in question. In game theory it would be best if everyone that paid money for a product unite in their solidarity like Union so that developers know they can't get away with things.

 

[Dejay]

So can we get our money back or not?

I mean if you just CAN'T play the game you pre-ordered because they decided to remove a feature - aren't they even legally bound to return your money? EU consumer protection laws are pretty good generally but I don't know about UK and if they can "hide behind" a loophole or something.

 

[Corwyn]

Totally agree with the OP

STOP!! saying ' bait and switch' is this a new American thing?

sadly, yes, Americans have become sue happy.

 

[vonFelty]

sadly, yes, Americans have become sue happy.

Its more of a Californian thing. Sadly, most other states are not as progressive and the corporations constantly fleece millions out of consumers without any recourse.

 

[Krait_79]

What people seem to forget is that Elite dangerous is a kickstarter project. Below is what was offered to anyone who backed Elite dangerous, and as far as I can see they have delivered.

Unfortunately there are a few late backers who feel that they have been short changed, all backers have been offered the same elite dangerous that the kickstarer backers backed.

With each incarnation of builds the original backers who got the game going in the first place see the same story each time with some late backers expecting something other that what was proposed in the first place.

For myself and the kickstarter backers, we all backed to see Elite dangerous be created by Frontier and to be able to play Elite again, anything more than that has been a big bonus.

I’m sure that I speak for most kickstarter backers when I say that Frontier have delivered on their original goal.

With this in mind I feel that a reminder is needed for everyone thinking of posting a new thread regarding what the game appears to be lacking.

What is being released on the 22nd is far beyond what all the original kickstarter backers expected and as far as I’m concerned almost everything they said would be in the first release is there.

On top of what was offered during the kickstarter, Frontier has given us Oculus rift support, various joystick supports, in game VoIP, 4ksupport.

Frontier could have easily just delivered just the basics with no extra support,
So before you feel that you should air your views on what Elite is missing you should take a look at what was offered in the first place and remember that you got involved to help Elite be made for a low £1,250,000.

if the kickstarter had failed then all backers would be looking at the fiasco of Star Citizen as their hope of a space sim,
count yourself lucky that the original space sim that created every space sim after it has made the return.
im sure over the next few years elite Dangerous will be a standard that all space sims aspire to become.
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Kickstarter 2012.
Our galaxy. Its an awe inspiring, beautiful, vast place; with billions of star systems,planets, moons and asteroid fields just waiting to be explored, and exploited.
The triumverate superpowers of the Empire, Federation and Independents dominatetheir core system volumes and constantly skirmish to outmaneouver one anotheron their frontiers.
Outside their influence, in the vast majority of thegalaxy, anarchy reigns supreme and spectacular discoveries await the bold.

Its dog-eat-dogout there – you need to keep your friends close, and your enemies closer.

Whether you want to trade for profit between systems, take part in multiplayer co-op missionalliances, free-for-all group battles and team raids to bring down planetaryeconomies, even tip the balance of power in the galaxy (for your own advantage,of course..), or simply explore the wonders of the galaxy (and who knows whatyou’ll find out there..) is up to you.

Your second-to-second actions could have you taking the roles of trader, pirate, bounty hunter,leader, team player, opportunistic assassin, grand schemer, and more.
You are at the centre of the action any time, any place and any way you choose – eachaction has a consequence, and influences the galaxy around you.

Starting with a few credits and a basic starship, carve your own path through the richest,largest gaming sandbox ever created, set against a backdrop of raw anarchy,galactic powerplays and intrigue.
Do whatever it takes to upgrade yourship’s hull, engines, weapons, defences, cargo hold; constantly improve yourcapabilities and influence on your journey towards the most coveted rank in thehistory of gaming - ‘Elite’.

Agree 100%. My only regret is not having had the money at the time to back this at a higher level. I will certainly continue to support and buy into this game going forward as i am very happy with what has been delivered so far.

 

[Fallout300]

If people are getting their money back could I take there kickstarter place as I'm gutted I was too cheap to invest until PB. If only I could invent a time machine........

 

[Dejay]

If people are getting their money back could I take there kickstarter place as I'm gutted I was too cheap to invest until PB. If only I could invent a time machine........

I guess selling accounts is against the Eula. You don't own the game so to speak. That being said you could try ebay.

I wonder if you'll still be able to play ED in 23 years?

 

[deMangler]

I totally agree, the offline thing is a real biggie, I even remember frontier saying something about what would happen years down the line when the servers get closed down, that players will be still be able to play the game,
im hoping that frontier go back on the plan to remove offline and to implement a basic single player offline universe.
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on the whole though this thread is to remind people what was originally offered minus the offline mode.

No off-line mode is a deal breaker.

 

[Dejay]

No off-line mode is a deal breaker.

Yeah. What is even worse is that there'll be no mods for ED now. Well no "gameplay" mods at least, maybe gfx and ui mods.

I tried to make a tread to discuss if / what mods might still be possible but ironical the other type of mods removed it.

 

[OillyRag]

@mobius,
Yep, what you said.

 

[S.H.A.D.O]

as I said most of what was offered, personally I understand the grievance of the no offline game play, but I also understand that if they did allow offline play, the game would open itself up to being pirated to a unacceptable level.
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on the whole I agree with others regarding the no offline stance that Frontier have taken, but I understand why.

I understand what you are saying but lets be honest here, if they did this to hold off piracy then they could have had the decency to inform us a while ago. Not leave it until 3 weeks from the launch!