As a non-native speaker of the language, I have to ask confirmation:
jape ~ joke ?
heckling ~ asking lots of difficult/uncomfortable questions ?
No Single Player offline Mode then?
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jape ~ joke ?
heckling ~ asking lots of difficult/uncomfortable questions ?
That I understand, the level of the reaction to it I do not.
jape, yes is a joke. I was just playing Dragons Dogma, the word is used in it once or twice.
heckling, "to interrupt (a public speaker) with derisive or aggressive comments or abuse"
Kickstarter project fails to deliver on one of it's promises? Sky is falling
I feel for Liqua, he's cool guy, but it's clearly emotions talking.
I certainly hope that expressing my disappointment here might go a small way towards FD reconsidering this.
Isn't that kind of the point of this whole forum? - to provide feedback to the devs?
I don't see why.
I'm sure he read the terms of the kick starter and understood the risks.
It's a real shame he feels the need to ask for a refund and I'm sure FD will do their best to come to an agreement with him.
To be honest it is none of our business.
I can so see you chew out an innocent clerk at the returns-desk of a supermarket...
There is no solo online play at this point. Other players make discoveries for you, they change the market for you and deplete asteroid fields for you. There is only an option to never see those players or interact with them directly.
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Yes of course. I think they got the message.
But they may (and probably have) gone past the point of no return so I wouldn't get your hopes up too high that they can or will reverse the decision.
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Unfortunately jokes like that do more harm than good, they give ammunition to the FD defense crowd and provide ample opportunities for misdirection and straw-manning at the real issues expense.
Also lets face it, physical violence even as the most light-hearted of jokes are always going to upset someone and with good reason to :/
Both sides of this debate need to use rationale and logic as their guides.
I see a parallel in some of this threads attitude to a player’s right to complain about a game breaking turn of events.
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Some of our friends in the forum have had their chance to play Elite Dangerous snatched away from them, after many promises that the Offline mode would not require a persistent Internet connection.
Some of them that use a friend’s computer to keep up to date with developments probably don’t even know yet. I would hate to be the one to tell them. They have been let down very badly. They have a right to complain and their friends have a right to complain for them.
Many of us wanted a reliable always available DRM free disc so we could still play no matter what happens to ED or our own circumstances. Many of us sometimes prefer to play on our own. The soldier’s sailors, airmen and women who leave our shores to protect us, who wanted to play ED now can’t. The Platform workers, the oil industry workers, the everyone who has to travel in their jobs workers cannot now play. The people on low incomes, the sick, the people who just plain cannot afford a connection but loved the idea of playing Elite again, what an amazing journey they were going to have.
Add to this the number of people who have no Internet infrastructure or very little, where the structure is there but they cannot afford the sometimes penal costs involved. Elite Dangerous was a dream come true to them, 30 years waiting, and then snatched away by a tawdry confusing hidden away part of a newsletter one month before the game goes live.
They feel aggrieved; I know this because I read most of this thread and see the hurt in the words of some of them.
I wanted a DRM free disc as promised when I paid my £200 last year, it is not critical to me as I can still play Solo, Private Groups or Open, as I want, because I just upgraded to Fibre Optics. But the option of Offline has been taken away.
This makes me feel really sad for my friendly forum members who have lost everything in some cases, and far too much in others.
Although it does not stop me playing at this stage, I want to help, so I post my support for them and try to help their cause in trying to find a decent compromise by trying to get ED to rethink the whole issue or find another way of allowing them to play without the obligatory Internet connection.
My Parallel:
I see the need to help our fellow forum members try to get a better result from this devastating news as a matter of urgency.
It does affect all of us, somewhere down the line it may be Solo mode out, as you can do the same, almost, in Private groups. Then maybe Private groups are forced into Open as it makes no sense to waste resources on two modes when one will do, also easier to implement consuls in one mode. Hello Eve mark two. Monthly subscriptions, (which I was happy with a month ago not now) may be introduced, pay to win, in-game advertising. I don’t know what will come; I do know that when a trust is broken it is almost impossible to repair.
I do know that standing together and voicing our support for the affected members is a show that we do have a voice, especially now that the DDF seems to have been side-lined into insignificance.
This is not really a PVP issue, or a Group issue, or a content issue, this is a no game to a lot of member’s issue.
I love the game it is truly amazing but this cutting of a very big component out of the game is a step too far when considering the people it effectively shuts out. I no longer feel part of it. To be part of something you have to have some kind of say in what happens, or be consulted, or bad news to be delivered in a decent fashion.
What is not needed, in this attempt to ask ED to find another way, is the constant badgering of forum members, voicing their concerns about their fellow members being shut out.
I don’t see why some of the members, who I have a lot of time for and respect their views, feel the need to stop this attempt. This thread does not affect you in any negative way.
So please support it, just to show solidarity with the members who are devastatingly affected.
“I’m alright Jack”, does not cut it.
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Some of our friends in the forum have had their chance to play Elite Dangerous snatched away from them, after many promises that the Offline mode would not require a persistent Internet connection.
Some of them that use a friend’s computer to keep up to date with developments probably don’t even know yet. I would hate to be the one to tell them. They have been let down very badly. They have a right to complain and their friends have a right to complain for them.
Many of us wanted a reliable always available DRM free disc so we could still play no matter what happens to ED or our own circumstances. Many of us sometimes prefer to play on our own. The soldier’s sailors, airmen and women who leave our shores to protect us, who wanted to play ED now can’t. The Platform workers, the oil industry workers, the everyone who has to travel in their jobs workers cannot now play. The people on low incomes, the sick, the people who just plain cannot afford a connection but loved the idea of playing Elite again, what an amazing journey they were going to have.
Add to this the number of people who have no Internet infrastructure or very little, where the structure is there but they cannot afford the sometimes penal costs involved. Elite Dangerous was a dream come true to them, 30 years waiting, and then snatched away by a tawdry confusing hidden away part of a newsletter one month before the game goes live.
They feel aggrieved; I know this because I read most of this thread and see the hurt in the words of some of them.
I wanted a DRM free disc as promised when I paid my £200 last year, it is not critical to me as I can still play Solo, Private Groups or Open, as I want, because I just upgraded to Fibre Optics. But the option of Offline has been taken away.
This makes me feel really sad for my friendly forum members who have lost everything in some cases, and far too much in others.
Although it does not stop me playing at this stage, I want to help, so I post my support for them and try to help their cause in trying to find a decent compromise by trying to get ED to rethink the whole issue or find another way of allowing them to play without the obligatory Internet connection.
My Parallel:
I see the need to help our fellow forum members try to get a better result from this devastating news as a matter of urgency.
It does affect all of us, somewhere down the line it may be Solo mode out, as you can do the same, almost, in Private groups. Then maybe Private groups are forced into Open as it makes no sense to waste resources on two modes when one will do, also easier to implement consuls in one mode. Hello Eve mark two. Monthly subscriptions, (which I was happy with a month ago not now) may be introduced, pay to win, in-game advertising. I don’t know what will come; I do know that when a trust is broken it is almost impossible to repair.
I do know that standing together and voicing our support for the affected members is a show that we do have a voice, especially now that the DDF seems to have been side-lined into insignificance.
This is not really a PVP issue, or a Group issue, or a content issue, this is a no game to a lot of member’s issue.
I love the game it is truly amazing but this cutting of a very big component out of the game is a step too far when considering the people it effectively shuts out. I no longer feel part of it. To be part of something you have to have some kind of say in what happens, or be consulted, or bad news to be delivered in a decent fashion.
What is not needed, in this attempt to ask ED to find another way, is the constant badgering of forum members, voicing their concerns about their fellow members being shut out.
I don’t see why some of the members, who I have a lot of time for and respect their views, feel the need to stop this attempt. This thread does not affect you in any negative way.
So please support it, just to show solidarity with the members who are devastatingly affected.
“I’m alright Jack”, does not cut it.
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The press are reading this thread.
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I believe tomorrow they will certainly be having a crisis meeting on this very topic and may have to seriously consider the possibility of committing to an Offline mode of some form however even if they come to the conclusion that it could potentially be done I very much doubt it would be at a higher priority than any planned expansions.
If there was an olive branch stating that they will look into it after major features like walking around ships and planetary landing are in game I'd expect that many people would be ok with such a compromise as it would not be a flat out no.
Loyalty is not a one way street.
For those unaware, Liqua was that exclusive KS backer who supported FD to this level...
One of the problems FD are also facing with these refund requests is establishing precedence. If they return refunds for this, then they may be obliged to refund other unrelated requests where promised content is not delivered.
Financial accountability is a beautiful thing.
So now we have a situation where the risk management decision to pull offline mode has failed to silently slip by. No doubt next week, FD will be weighing up whether the current and future brand damage is worth digging their heels in.
I see 3 possibilities.
1. FD announce the offline version will be available post-release, and before any expansions.
I feel this is the best solution overall. FD come out as a software firm who listen and act on customer expectations, and customers will reflect this. Coming just before the launch, they can use this issue in their favour. Refunds over content promises remains untested, and perhaps uneeded.
2. FD retain their damage control, and provide full refunds.
Establishes the refund precedence, and banishes partial loyal user base. Partial brand damage.
3. FD retain their damage control, and provide partial or no refunds.
Mitigates any precedence, and reinforces full authority over project. This is countered by negative media reports which will damage the official launch and subsequent sales.
The coming days will reveal what path they take.
While I wasn't as high profile a backer as Liq, I still backed with little over a hundred pounds on the words they used and the promises they gave (which to me, is alot of money for just a game).
I'm holding off with asking for a refund just yet based on the hope that your number 1 scenario might be happening (cause seriously, the 'persistent universe is just taking the mick out of me when playing with all the bugs and inane design decisions causing me to get fines and deaths all the time without allowing me to reload an older save).
I can't see myself ever spending a dime on anything these guys had something to do with in the future, though, given the current state of affairs and their disregard for consumers.
I am betting us kickstarter backers knew the risks. The point is that offline play was a big issue. The community requested, repeatedly, assurances that there would be an offline mode before backing. I myself did not back until those assurances were posted, by DB and MB. I am surely not the only one, Myself and Liqua may be in a minority but we are a minority that put huge effort into making the kickstarter a success based on off-line play being a part of the released game. Not a stretch goal but a release feature. There is not really any lack of clarity here. The top tier of backers funded a third of the final amount. That is not insignificant.
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You seriously don't think they don't?
This is one reason why I have not yet asked for a refund.
I want to give them one workday to think this over.
The other is that I am careful not to make such decisions in the heat of the moment. Two days waiting are obligatory.
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