Game Discussions Star Citizen Discussion Thread v12

Of course it is, they've 'changed' haven't they.
Propaganda in full swing again I see.
Progress tracker has always been reliable. It just presents what the team are doing.
For the release view, since last year CIG only present the cards for the 2 next quarters (remember, a lot where joking about it here) and each card is clearly said 'tentative' or 'committed'. Each 'committed' card has been released since last year if I recall correctly.
 
There's that ambiguous assumption that "Alpha" has some standardised meaning of "expectation of unfinished, poor quality and no support" amongst consumers. Where did that come from?
Perhaps because Alpha = unfinished software ? Finished softwares are called "release"
 
There's that ambiguous assumption that "Alpha" has some standardised meaning of "expectation of unfinished, poor quality and no support" amongst consumers. Where did that come from?

If Rise of the Robots were sold today, they can just slap "ALPHA" on the box (they don't even have to bother with the box any more) and sell it for a high price in any state they wish?
Maybe its ALPHA as in the most dominant space sim game out of the pack? CIG does have a history with weird interpretation.


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If I take those bars are the development of each "deliverable" and assume at the end of those bars the "deliverable" is finished then SQ42 will be complete sometime in September 2023?
 
Maybe its ALPHA as in the most dominant space sim game out of the pack? CIG does have a history with weird interpretation.



If I take those bars are the development of each "deliverable" and assume at the end of those bars the "deliverable" is finished then SQ42 will be complete sometime in September 2023?
Don't know. That's what they do now and what is planned for the teams. The planning can switch with priorities and some tasks can be extended in time.
 
Maybe its ALPHA as in the most dominant space sim game out of the pack? CIG does have a history with weird interpretation.



If I take those bars are the development of each "deliverable" and assume at the end of those bars the "deliverable" is finished then SQ42 will be complete sometime in September 2023?
Yes, of course. My NVMe drive is ready.
 
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Perhaps because Alpha = unfinished software ? Finished softwares are called "release"

So Street Fighter Alpha was Street Fighter "unfinished"?

Actually in software "Alpha" is a testing phase used internally to proceed "Beta", little more. What defines a phase? I would suggest, with no beginning or end date it isn't a "phase". I find the argument that they are in any kind of testing "phase" with a reasonable planned outcome very weak and CIG have failed to communicate any future changes that will lead to subsequent phases with all bugs and scope nailed down from the alleged "Alpha".

I doubt you can provide me with any consumer info or standards that define the meaning of "Alpha" as being "Unfinished" from a buyers perspective. It's frightening for the industry and has really taken us far beyond over hyped pre-ordering and buggy rushed releases to an even worse high cost "Alpha" unfinished, unsupported, unreviewable games where all the risk is on the consumers side and gamers pay more for software that doesn't stand up on its own merits.
 
You have no clue? But you said it was reliable. How could you tell if you don't know? (It's all rhetorical questions. You need not answer those.)
It only tells what the teams are doing.
It's a tracker of what they are doing, not what they will release at a date x.
For the release date, it's the progress tracker, not this one.
 
So Street Fighter Alpha was Street Fighter "unfinished"?

Actually in software "Alpha" is a testing phase used internally to proceed "Beta", little more. What defines a phase? I would suggest, with no beginning or end date it isn't a "phase". I find the argument that they are in any kind of testing "phase" with a reasonable planned outcome very weak and CIG have failed to communicate any future changes that will lead to subsequent phases with all bugs and scope nailed down from the alleged "Alpha".

I doubt you can provide me with any consumer info or standards that define the meaning of "Alpha" as being "Unfinished" from a buyers perspective. It's frightening for the industry and has really taken us beyond over hyped pre-ordering, rushed releases and now high cost "Alpha" unfinished, unsupported, unreviewable games where all the risk is on the consumers side.
To be more precise, SC is in pre-alpha stage. It helps you ?
 
To be more precise, SC is in pre-alpha stage. It helps you ?

You are saying they are misleading customers when they describe it as "alpha" on the play now page here? https://robertsspaceindustries.com/star-citizen/play-now

They literally say it's in the "Alpha stage of development" and have done since shortly after the Kickstarter. As proven by yourself, nobody knows what it means.Thats seriously misleading.
 
You are saying they are misleading customers when they describe it as "alpha" on the play now page here? https://robertsspaceindustries.com/star-citizen/play-now

They literally say it's in the "Alpha stage of development" and have done since shortly after the Kickstarter. As proven by yourself, nobody knows what it means.Thats seriously misleading.
They say it's alpha because appart developpers, the public don't know what is a pre-alpha. And SC can be considered at the same time in alpha (because we can test it) and pre-alpha (major engine like PES, SM, etc) are not finalized or not in. There is nothing misleading. You just have to look at the list of all modules worked atm in the public progress tracker to understand that SC is in pre-alpha. When you play an alpha or a pre-alpha, the result is the same = you play with a lot of bugs.
 

Viajero

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This is a released and full on commercialized product. Been the case for many years now. Alpha or pre alpha discussions are quite meaningless as everyone will have its own definition; these vague terms are simply exploited by CIG and related shills to try to obfuscate the fact that this already released product simply sucks big time 🤷‍♂️
 
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