No Single Player offline Mode then?

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Just wanted to add my list to the name of people dissapointed with this piece of news. Asking for a refund seems cynical, therefore venting on the forums remains as the only course of action! I imagine at this point it is not realistic to expect they could reverse this decision. Not happy with the situation of fait accompli they've created with the late timing of this announcement.
 
Seems like there are 3 camps:

1. No or poor internet access - have to play offline
2. DRM
3. Availability of game in the future.

Solutions:
1. Nothing can probably be done for them at this point.
2. Might as well debate religion or politics
3. FD guarantees an offline conversion when the servers shut down so you can still play years into the future.

Sounds like if #3 happens many would be satisfied. Is this true?

Well, iterations from the developers and head of the company no less that "you will be able to play offline" sounded like a guarantee that we will be able to play offline, so I'm guessing no even just on solution 3.
 
Everyone that has been a kickstarter/alpha/beta are able to post here so logically anyone posting in this forum have been happily playing the game since their own pledge date,, the fact that you have all been playing proves that your internet connections are good enough to play the game, so what has changed with this no offline thing ? seeing as you have all been playing since pledge level, so you will still be able to play and have ( no people in your game ) with offline but connected to the server mode, and if you want both npcs AND people in your game you can have that as well, same as it is now in beta.

Really dont understand the panic and whining going on in here, ask for a refund if your unhappy.

The forum didn't ask me to link my game account to my forum account and yet here I am posting anyway.

Anyway as many have said this isn't just about if you have a good enough internet connection to play.
 
ohh it reaches unbelievable levels.

I want to be far out to sea and play!

I'm a soldier in a war zone and still want to play!...madness it really is.

crazy isn't it? I think people should quit moping around a forum complaining about a feature cut from a game that will affect their lives in a very minor way and maybe spend more time looking after their kids....!
 
Seems like there are 3 camps:

1. No or poor internet access - have to play offline
2. DRM
3. Availability of game in the future.

Solutions:
1. Nothing can probably be done for them at this point.
2. Might as well debate religion or politics
3. FD guarantees an offline conversion when the servers shut down so you can still play years into the future.

Sounds like if #3 happens many would be satisfied. Is this true?

You forget the Group which want Offline because of personal Reasons.... (Familiy/RL/not 24/7 on/need no Competion) ... have you a solution for them???
I think that also valueable reasons....
 
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the fact that you have all been playing proves that your internet connections are good enough to play the game, so what has changed with this no offline thing

For some of us internet connectivity isn't the problem at all...

so you will still be able to play and have ( no people in your game ) with offline but connected to the server mode

... but this is. Online Solo is not the same as playing on your own. You see noone else around you but they're still affecting your gameplay in massive ways (markets, exploration and mining for example).
 
crazy isn't it? I think people should quit moping around a forum complaining about a feature cut from a game that will affect their lives in a very minor way and maybe spend more time looking after their kids....!

How about the people who aren't affected at all by this do that?
 
Frontier ( Elite 2 ) Had an entire procedurally generated galaxy, NPCs, planets, stations, pirates, police, an economy etc and it fitted on a single 1.44Mb Floppy disc.
How can offline play be so hard in 2014 ?

It's not hard.
From what I have read they planned on somehow using the online galaxy to facilitate offline play. This became problematic due to the nature of the online galaxy.
Therefore they would need to completely separate them resulting in two products, two code lines that would need to be supported. Resources to do this are not available.
It does not preclude porting the server version offline in the event the servers are taken down. This would allow you to run it locally.
 
... but this is. Online Solo is not the same as playing on your own. You see noone else around you but they're still affecting your gameplay in massive ways (markets, exploration and mining for example).

The playing area is pretty huge. I doubt it will hard to find an area where you pretty much aren't affected by players at all.
 
So what your saying that I am ok sod everyone else, sorry but it doesn't work like that. If not enough copies are bought then the servers wont last long, you lose your money and wont be able to play it even when you have your internet!

Quit the rude remarks for starters, no i am not saying what you rudely suggest, quit the amatuer dramatics and think about what i said, ie, when the game comes out there will be no difference to now in beta, you can already play so there is no difference, nothing has changed, bu as i have already said FD have made this decision, eother accept it and move on, OR get a refund, it is pure logic.
 
Seems like there are 3 camps:

1. No or poor internet access - have to play offline
2. DRM
3. Availability of game in the future.

Solutions:
1. Nothing can probably be done for them at this point.
2. Might as well debate religion or politics
3. FD guarantees an offline conversion when the servers shut down so you can still play years into the future.

Sounds like if #3 happens many would be satisfied. Is this true?

Think this is a great roundup (I'd +rep if I knew how!!!) but for me it's more about the acceptance of anti-gamer systems. ED might have a perfectly good technical reason for doing this, but if we support it then we're also supporting all those companies who do it as a misguided attempt to block piracy or to tie users in to some kind of micro-transaction or other Real Money system to increase profits. All this happens at the expense of the gamer who just wants to play the game they've paid for. That's why I can't support this, even if I had fully-redundant leased-lines into my mother's basement.
 
I don't see people who still support the game constantly trolling, predicting a fiery end or accusing FD of every sin under the sun when really they're only to blame about one thing:
Bad communication.

That is your own cognitive bias in play there then. Why would someone not affected by the announcement, and happy with the game, predict a fiery end or accuse FD of anything? They are happy, & they fit with your own paradigm. There are those however who have been quite prominent in the thread, and spent most of the time explaining why posters who are affected should do a running jump / leave forever / stop crying / [insert other passive aggressive response].

Then there are the REALLY bad ones that get deleted. But you won't see them, cos they are deleted.

Anyway, this is another irrelevant sidetracking discussion, the thread is big enough without this kind of thing.
 
For some of us internet connectivity isn't the problem at all...



... but this is. Online Solo is not the same as playing on your own. You see noone else around you but they're still affecting your gameplay in massive ways (markets, exploration and mining for example).

Ok, well, as far as i see it now, i do sympathise with those that want the universe as you describe, if it is not going to happen for now, then only two choices remain, carry on playing what will be a great game or ask for a refund.
 
Oh it will, look at Simcity offline.

There's a difference. EA only claimed that there was so much going on when in reality that was a lie. With frontier, you can easily prove that what they're saying is true - pull your network cable and then purchase any goods.
 
Oh it will, look at Simcity offline.

FD were aware of the discontent thousands of posts ago. They will not come here to see what you posted when determining if you are entitled to a refund.

The acknowledgement of the requirement for refunds came a long time ago. Everyone knows you're upset, collectively. If this thread reached a million pages it would have no bearing on your claim.

You are either entitled or not.

Having a fifty page argument on what DRM means or whether FD lied to us or whether they will shut the game down in 20 years is irrelevant to your claim.
 
Years. Almost two decades. All those times, starting in the late nineties, when I would search on Altavista for interviews to David Braben, looking for any news related to Frontier, any speculation, any clue, no matter how flimsy, on a sequel to Frontier: First Encounters. All those years during which the very concept of an Elite IV was listed on Wikipedia as "vaporware", about as likely to ever manifest itself as the fabled "Thargoid ship in the center of the galaxy", and yet I kept hoping, I kept checking for updates and news, not every day mind you, and not every week either, perhaps not even every month, but that tiny glimmer of hope was always alive, and every now and then, when I found myself in a quiet moment sitting at the computer with nothing much to do (and oh, how few and far between did those precious moments become as I moved from Secondary School to University and eventually to a full time job and a wife), I would perform again that ancient ritual, going through fan sites, sieving through pages I'd already read at least a dozen times, only to find nothing and go back to playing FE2 or FFE, even in the years before DosBox, when you had to really get creative to work around that pesky "insufficient memory" problem.

Honestly, I didn't think anything in the world could make me reconsider on playing the next chapter of the gaming saga I fell in love with when I was barely nine years old, a game I had been anticipating for practically half of the time I've been alive, but you, dear Frontier Developments, have managed to do just that. This is part of the reason I no longer play games much: sure, wife and work take up most of my time, but even when I do manage to carve a two-hour niche for a little me-time, I usually end up doing other stuff. Why? Because the gaming industry has largely turned its back to people like me, people who like to *own* a game when they spend their hard earned cash for it, people who seek an immersive experience that at no point involves the presence of "ZazzyDawg98" and his friends, people who don't care about "achievements" or "collectibles", people who actually have fun breaking the game with cheats after they've beaten it (yeah, sue me), people who expect a game to stay the way it is the moment they bought it and not change over time because a group of players the existence of whom you will never ever be aware of (unless you spend about as much time arguing on the forums as you do playing) complained that "drop rate is too low/high!", "farming is too easy/hard!", "my class is too disadvantaged!", "weapon X is too overpowered!", while you liked everything just the way it was. People who enjoy gaming because it offers them the possibility to detach from the real world and all its troubles for a few hours, and who, therefore, strongly resent the real world intruding into their gaming experience.

Will I ask for a refund? I don't know yet. What I do know is that, had I not purchased the game yet, had I not been waiting for it for all those years, I would rather buy another copy of Skyrim (for the record, I already own four: PC, PS3, XBox, Anthology) than spend even a single cent over a game that forces me to be online, especially if this requirement had been divulged less than a month before its release, and after over a year in which we had been reassured that there would be an offline mode. I don't like to make decisions when I am angry. I will cool down, I will think things through, then I will decide. But honestly Mr Braben, I thought you were better than that. You let a lot of people down, hard.

Exceptionally well written and well balanced post.
Thank you.
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I, too, thought Sir David Braben was "better than this".
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It appears, however, that many people will jump to the defence of the an organisation that has fundamentally and categorically breached the trust of its customers.
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Maybe trust and honesty are now outdated concepts for the "online generation".
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Personally, I struggle to understand how breaking a fundamental promise is in any way acceptable. It appears, however, that my view on what is acceptable is not shared by quite a few posting on threads like these and this thread in particular.
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Cheerz
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Mark H
 
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