Game Discussions Star Citizen Discussion Thread v12

Mole HD

Mole HD
Viajero said:
Yeah, this is in part due to the lack of a more visible and objective view on the quality of the product. Something most games out there have but not SC. Most of the bugs and brokenness memes are well known primarily to us, the community, but by and large new prospective buyers only see shiny CIG promotional vids.

This is were widespread standard reviews and scores comes in. The abuse by the developer that you guys point out can be mitigated/controlled to a certain extent by these. A widespread and easily accessible notion that the product is crap would also often make many whales to think twice before spending more money on something that has been established and recognized more or less formally as crap.
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The standard review process would only work if the people buying into star citizen were buying a game...they're not...they're buying ships, which is the simple but unavoidable truth. Those buying into the project are also pretty much 100% aware of that fact. The game is just the purposely created sandbox to go play with the expensive toys. Ci~G's marketing is also well aware of this, hence the gamification of the entire marketing and funding process.

Now, with Sqn 404 being an actual game for individual sale with no requirement for additional sales of digital assets on release (outside of the shared developmental funding process with star citizen)...the review process would work...negatively or positively of course, as you'd expect. Ci~G are also painfully aware of that...hence the total secrecy surrounding it's development.

The game of Sqn 404 will rely on reviews of said game to garner some sales, not to mention success or failure, star citizen relies solely on the sales of digital assets for it's continued success, not reviews...which some would argue, quite correctly, is the game. Star Citizen...how would gaming reviews have any effect on an extended online sales event when the sales aren't of a game? The playable sandbox may be broken...but that's not what's on sale 🤷‍♂️
 
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Viajero
Mole HD said:
The standard review process would only work if the people buying into star citizen were buying a game...they're not...they're buying ships, which is the simple but unavoidable truth. Those buying into the project are also pretty much 100% aware of that fact. The game is just the purposely created sandbox to go play with the expensive toys. Ci~G's marketing is also well aware of this, hence the gamification of the entire marketing and funding process.
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Perhaps, but I still think many a new buyer sees primarily only shiny CIG material or at least takes those only primarily into consideration. I also think many ship buying whales may be made to think twice if they realize SC is more or less formally recognized as crap by widespread reviews. These are not a silver bullet to counter CIG’s abusive practices but they are at least a basic consumer first line of defense.
 

Mole HD

Mole HD
Viajero said:
Perhaps, but I still think many a new buyer sees primarily only shiny CIG material or at least takes those only primarily into consideration. I also think many ship buying whales may be made to think twice if they realize SC is more or less formally recognized as crap by widespread reviews. These are not a silver bullet to counter CIG’s abusive practices but they are at least a basic consumer first line of defense.
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You're still thinking of star citizen as a game in the standard sense...not a marketing and funding strategy. It's just an empty sandbox to go play with your purchases. Do you honestly believe that anyone buying into star citizen at any level over the last 8 years is entirely and blissfully unaware of any and all negativity that's surrounded the project since 2013? 🤷‍♂️

This is what sells star citizen...

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Mole HD

Mole HD
Viajero said:
Well, yeah, but unlike SC, Elite got its fair share of formal reviews to go along with that and for new prospective buyers to be better informed. Also, with a few exceptions like that one, the vast majority of Elite promo videos are much more reflective of actual ingame features and quality than SC promotion can hope to be.
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It did indeed, although we'll have to disagree on the promo vids :D

...and even after I had a laugh at the marketing videos back in 2015 before I bought into my first hour of the 5,000 odd I've played since the Xbox GPP.

Still the BDSSE for me too...despite the silly marketing videos and biased reviews :)
 

Agony_Aunt

Agony_Aunt
sovapid said:
Played all afternoon on one of the alts and no super big issues. One 30k. Although I was mostly trading and other mindless stuff.

Played the account a week or to ago and did the new user tutorial and thats it. Played it today and rented ships from the free fly thing.

This account has never flown a ship that is on the account.

And it has a million and a half after a few hours. Maybe 4 or 5 distracted hours. Ate something, watched the basketball playoffs etc.

We have had this conversation before, but if you know what you are doing you would never need to fly a starter ship. Could by a Cutlass Black in game right now if I wanted (and I might).


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Hold on, but you were renting a ship from free fly, something that wouldn't normally be available?
 

Mole HD

Mole HD
Agony_Aunt said:
Those who follow the game, for sure. But i'm curious about how many who buy in based off the flashy marketing and shill streamers know what they are really buying into?
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Would you?...Given the sheer amount of negative, neutral or other than wholly positive media content readily available on star citizen all over t'interweb?

...Or are you just happily content in assuming the other 99.99% of the limited gaming community that normally buys into niche genre space games have lived in a sealed box for the last 10 years just to reinforce a deeply flawed point of view mostly...and almost uniquely... prevalent on here? 🤷‍♂️

It's not like you'd have to look far, just pop onto Ci~G's own marketing platform and have a read through the top 50 threads on Spectrum on any given day...
 
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Agony_Aunt

Agony_Aunt
Mole HD said:
...Or are you just happily content in assuming the other 99.99% of the limited gaming community that normally buys into niche genre space games have lived in a sealed box for the last 10 years just to reinforce a deeply flawed point of view mostly...and almost uniquely... prevalent on here?
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You may have missed that i didn't make a statement but posited a question:

But i'm curious about how many who buy in based off the flashy marketing and shill streamers know what they are really buying into?
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Now, of course, I have my own feelings about what that percentage might be, and no, i'm not particularly thinking about the demographic that follow space games. Looks how its marketed. The marketing seems to be aimed more are the CoD demographic than space sim people.
 

Mole HD

Mole HD
Agony_Aunt said:
You may have missed that i didn't make a statement but posited a question:



Now, of course, I have my own feelings about what that percentage might be, and no, i'm not particularly thinking about the demographic that follow space games. Looks how its marketed. The marketing seems to be aimed more are the CoD demographic than space sim people.
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It's marketing...it doesn't care who buys...as long as someone does, misguided or otherwise. As a space game fan, I bought into star citizen initially because I was curious, just like many others had done before me and have done since. I was always aware of what I was buying into though, once I had made the choice 🤷‍♂️
 

Agony_Aunt

Agony_Aunt
Mole HD said:
It's marketing...it doesn't care who buys...as long as someone does, misguided or otherwise. As a space game fan, I bought into star citizen initially because I was curious, just like many others had done before me and have done since. I was always aware of what I was buying into though, once I had made the choice 🤷‍♂️
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And that's you, and you knew what you were doing.

To quote George Carlin:

"Think of how stupid the average person is and realize.. . half the people are stupider than that!"
 

Ian Skippy

Ian Skippy
Mole HD said:
Would you?...Given the sheer amount of negative, neutral or other than wholly positive media content readily available on star citizen all over t'interweb?

...Or are you just happily content in assuming the other 99.99% of the limited gaming community that normally buys into niche genre space games have lived in a sealed box for the last 10 years just to reinforce a deeply flawed point of view mostly...and almost uniquely... prevalent on here? 🤷‍♂️

It's not like you'd have to look far, just pop onto Ci~G's own marketing platform and have a read through the top 50 threads on Spectrum on any given day...
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I think it is both, really. There are way more people than you seem to believe who will impulse-buy a game at 3AM after watching some trailer while drunk. Not a SC specific thing, but in general. And there are loads of people who will look at some 'cinematographic trailer' and assume it is literally how the game is. And yes, there are plenty of people who definitely know what is what, but just like to buy virtual spaceships and fantasize about a hypothetical dream game.

As a comparison, in the synth scene you have people who buy random gear without really knowing what it is, you have have corporations trying to milk the gear addiction of some, and you have people who just hoard endless stuff without any intention to do anything musical with it. Its a mixed bag; you can feel empathy with the addicts who spend money they cant miss on crap they dont need, be angry at corporations leeching of these people while also just ignoring the 50-year olds with plenty of disposable income who seem to prefer 'wasting' it on buying stuff they wont use much. Their money, their choice, no?

Some people need to be protected from themselves, some people need to be (criminally) investigated, some people need to be allowed to have fun with their own money in their own way regardless of what I would have done with their money. :)
 

Navigare Necesse Est

Navigare Necesse Est
Ian Skippy said:
I think it is both, really. There are way more people than you seem to believe who will impulse-buy a game at 3AM after watching some trailer while drunk. Not a SC specific thing, but in general. And there are loads of people who will look at some 'cinematographic trailer' and assume it is literally how the game is. And yes, there are plenty of people who definitely know what is what, but just like to buy virtual spaceships and fantasize about a hypothetical dream game.

As a comparison, in the synth scene you have people who buy random gear without really knowing what it is, you have have corporations trying to milk the gear addiction of some, and you have people who just hoard endless stuff without any intention to do anything musical with it. Its a mixed bag; you can feel empathy with the addicts who spend money they cant miss on crap they dont need, be angry at corporations leeching of these people while also just ignoring the 50-year olds with plenty of disposable income who seem to prefer 'wasting' it on buying stuff they wont use much. Their money, their choice, no?

Some people need to be protected from themselves, some people need to be (criminally) investigated, some people need to be allowed to have fun with their own money in their own way regardless of what I would have done with their money. :)
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This is too monoplarly sighted - if that is even a expression. It's not a thing of the buyers only - it is also a thing about honest and dishonest business practice.
 
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