If you come up with some kind of theory it is your obligation to prove it is correct, not other people's duty to prove it is wrong.
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Haven't heard that.
What happened was the glyphs on the obelisks started showing the scrambled pattern some time early last year (2022) with no explanation. FDEV refused to even acknowledge it then the update 15 notes announced:
The implication was that the random pattern was preventing the mission from being completed by hiding the glyphs, and that it had been reverted.
This is not the case.
The scrambling still happens, is still unexplained (BUG OR FEATURE), but if you shine your SRV high beams on the obelisk you can now make out the proper glyphs hidden beneath the pattern.
Haters will be haters. Want to get rid of me? Solve the puzzle. Since a computer has been funded, I feel obligated to see this through.
The burden of proof lies on the accuser. If you’re not gonna help, and you’re just gonna from the sidelines, back it up. Prove to me why you think I’m wrong. Or be quiet and stay out of the way.
Yeah that's not how it works.
And what used to happen was the other bits of the glyphs were still present, just very dimmed. Given Odyssey tech botched the lighting which made previously-dark lighting essentially completely lit (screams in Guardian lighting) it makes sense that it's just a bug. Notwithstanding that, prior to all this, the original glyphs were just scrambled, and that the fixed-patterns showing items was a later change, and FD is notorious for bad regression testing... a bug is almost certain.
The thing is the "new" scrambled pattern was completely new (did not match the old scrambled one) and it happened out of the blue nearly a year after Odyssey's release. So it wasn't a regression to the old pattern, and it couldn't be blamed on lighting changes because it never existed before.
From the way it happened (triggered by one of the major updates) I would guess it's related to something that was in development that wasn't meant to slip out when it did.
I have found out that the earth is actually a bowl on the back of a giant space turtle. I have no real tangible proof for that, but I just put it out there that it might be. If you don't believe it, it is on you to prove me wrong.exactly how it works
Sounds wrong? Thought so.
I am sure posting newly made videos to seven or eight different threads within a few minutes is just to spread the love and wake up the sheeple.
Thanks. While I was willing to scan through a few threads, the prospect of leafing though the bug reports would drive anyone away.
I think we're actually talking about the same thing, I'm just not articulating it right.
Original Pattern was 3 discs:
Then that changed to two discs showing the item types
We then got the two discs which seemed scrambled (and yes, is a completely different pattern)...
... but as you mentioned, you shine the high beams at it and you can see the pattern through it, which AFAIK it's been that way ever since that pattern appeared, which sounds very much like it's related to the lighting bug to me, even if the occurrence doesn't align with Odyssey's launch. A lot of tweaks got done, unsuccessfully, to try and "fix" the lighting issue. Really smacks of a change with an unintended consequence in this space.
My comment about regression was a bit of a red herring... I'd still stand by it but the way i meant it probably isn't relevant in this context, so forget about it
I always thought the scientific method was to prove something to be, as you cannot prove a negative. The burden of proof is always on the proposer.
My recollection is that the method is to propose a model for how something is, make some predictions from the model, then come up with all the theoretical and practical ways you can think of that would disprove those predictions. If you can't disprove the model yourself after rigorous testing then you write it all up and let everyone else have a go.
If no verifiable predictions can be made then... dunno, maybe you can ask the Football Association to adjudicate or something. Or start a cult.
A theory that makes no verifiable predictions to determine facts is a belief system, not a theory. From a scientific point of view it is useless. To paraphrase Indiana Jones ‘science is about the determination of facts, if you want truth there’s a philosophy class down the hall..’
For years I carried this link in my forum signature in an attempt to encourage people to apply some science to their hypothesising. I removed it when it became obvious that attempt was wasted effort
Scientific method - Wikipedia
You can never "prove" anything, the idea is the more you try to "disprove" something and fail the stronger the evidence is that this something is actually representative of reality, but you can never reach 100% certainty, so you can never "prove" anything. You can try and disprove something a million times and fail, but you only have to succeed once and then you have to discard the entire edifice and start again. This is why scientifically even the most strongly supported proposals only ever reach the status of theory, which of course means something entirely different to scientists than it does to many laypeople.
Yes, can't prove anything in an unbounded context. That's why legal terms like "beyond reasonable doubt" or mathematical ones like "proof by induction" exist. To bound the context.
To try and do anything else would be ludicrous.
Still working on the guardian thing. I’ll be sure to put it on my list Mr. Slowsky. Priority one.
canonn does something different? its all a tinfoil until proven true. everyone wants to protect their truth.
as far as i know clara is working hard on trying to find the proof. if you want to discourage explorers and researchers go ahead.
yeah no, i wasnt going to mention that your primary reason for posting seems to be just a blatant posthunt but there it is.
im sure that the 15 views clara gets will turn her life over. do you say the same when buurs vids are posted in the forums? what about alec turner? im sure all the races are just to boost his youtube career.
people can have opinions and voice them.
proof? shes working on it. do we want to support her or discourage?
are we humans or are we crabs in a bucket?
Ty.
And you are correct. I am still working on the problem. And it’s huge.
Some people have zero to offer so they believe criticism will suffice.
They should crack a book 1st.
He wanted the proof, so I posted the video for him to watch where I explained how the logs completely contradict the blowhards in this game.
What he fails to realize is a lot of people, probably more than a few Canonn members, ignored the logs, and just guessed things for what looks like two solid years. At the end of that. Everyone was listening to these guys and not reading the logs so most of the evidence was completely missed.
The biggest example is how every member of canon told me to ignore the markings, because the markings were all completely decorative. Six months later, I found several entries in the log that said, guardians did nothing decorative, and that all writings or abstract forms of instruction. Once I read this, I suddenly locked horns with half of the leader ship at Canonn, because they were stuck to their opinions, and they were ignoring the actual information about the puzzle.
Ever since I rub their faces in that people have been calling me a big mouth that is making things up. My answer is, read the logs. If you think I’m lying about this information, then find where it says it in the logs. Too many of you are listening to each other for advice on a puzzle You know nothing about instead of reading the provided materials. All do respect, this is ass backwards.
The only thing that upsets me now is the last patch claimed that the data missions were a red herring, which called into question all of the information provided by Ram Tah.
It would seem that a lot of my team took an unannounced vacation when the summer began
so it’s been slow at the GSC. But I have finally worked out all the kinks switching to PC. And for anyone who wants to help I will be in guardian territory within the next two days.
Thanx
And you are correct. I am still working on the problem. And it’s huge.
Some people have zero to offer so they believe criticism will suffice.
They should crack a book 1st.
He wanted the proof, so I posted the video for him to watch where I explained how the logs completely contradict the blowhards in this game.
What he fails to realize is a lot of people, probably more than a few Canonn members, ignored the logs, and just guessed things for what looks like two solid years. At the end of that. Everyone was listening to these guys and not reading the logs so most of the evidence was completely missed.
The biggest example is how every member of canon told me to ignore the markings, because the markings were all completely decorative. Six months later, I found several entries in the log that said, guardians did nothing decorative, and that all writings or abstract forms of instruction. Once I read this, I suddenly locked horns with half of the leader ship at Canonn, because they were stuck to their opinions, and they were ignoring the actual information about the puzzle.
Ever since I rub their faces in that people have been calling me a big mouth that is making things up. My answer is, read the logs. If you think I’m lying about this information, then find where it says it in the logs. Too many of you are listening to each other for advice on a puzzle You know nothing about instead of reading the provided materials. All do respect, this is ass backwards.
The only thing that upsets me now is the last patch claimed that the data missions were a red herring, which called into question all of the information provided by Ram Tah.
It would seem that a lot of my team took an unannounced vacation when the summer began
so it’s been slow at the GSC. But I have finally worked out all the kinks switching to PC. And for anyone who wants to help I will be in guardian territory within the next two days.Thanx