Ungulate Talk
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Love your choices I would only add Markhor
I love the Markhor but I've never understood why it's seen as necessary to so many, is it zoo tycoon nostalgia? Are those spirally horns needed that badly?
The niche for a cool mountain goat has been filled already by the ibex and while having an extra would be nice it's not something we desperately need.
The niche for an Asian/Himalayan caprine in my opinion would be much better served by the takin which is extremely unique appearance wise and is more versatile in usage.
The niche for a cool mountain goat has been filled already by the ibex and while having an extra would be nice it's not something we desperately need.
The niche for an Asian/Himalayan caprine in my opinion would be much better served by the takin which is extremely unique appearance wise and is more versatile in usage.
Peccary! Although I also want wild boar. Peccary is more important since it is genetically unique and from the New World.
Markhor is a typical and very recognizable mountain species with super distinctive look. After takin and musk ox it’s the most wanted caprine and very deservedly in my opinion.
My most wanted caprine after takin would definitely be a Barbary sheep. I would love to have a hot climate caprine.
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Im a little torn on the markhor question. On the one hand i think is a really cool animal and definetly deserves a place in PZ. But on the other hand there are only so many spots left and i would prefer something more distinct. I would take the takin as an additonal mountain ungulate over the markhor because its more distinct from the ibex
For me the three necessary caprines are as follows:
- Barbary Sheep - The most iconic zoo caprine, held in literally hundreds of zoos and would give us our first African/hot climate caprine. It's smaller size also makes it unique.
- Takin - Extremely iconic unique looking caprine that would give us a rep for Asia/Himalayas while also needing a more different style of build than your typical goat.
- Muskox - One of the most iconic Arctic animals of them all, the last remaining ice age megafauna and completely different from any other caprine.
I was originally in camp let Europe have the wild boar for the hairy, grey pig slot, but the lack of South American animals, unique taxonomy, and the cute white collar brought me to the side of the peccary. If we got more South American representation, I would probably switch back again. Personally, I'd be fine without either due to my personal fear of pigs, but I totally understand why people would want one or both. They would both be solid additions to the game, even if they don't do much for me.
If they ever add domestics, a Kunekune or a Vietnamese pot-bellied pig would be important as well.
Beyond that, the Visayan warty pig seems like the best wild candidate for conservation purposes after the two big ones are added, but I really don't care beyond the two big community wants and maybe a domestic.
If they ever add domestics, a Kunekune or a Vietnamese pot-bellied pig would be important as well.
Beyond that, the Visayan warty pig seems like the best wild candidate for conservation purposes after the two big ones are added, but I really don't care beyond the two big community wants and maybe a domestic.
I’m very much a peccary supporter but I would be sad not seeing the tanks that are wild boar
I think we need everything you guys said.
For me my last 'really want' is the Common eland - probably the last staple of the African savannah exhibits and elands are the largest antelope (although I do want common over giant given their captive status).
Others that I think we should get before the game is over are:
Others that would be nice for diversity given their commonness in captivity but aren't a must as theyre mostly clones:
Others that I think we should get before the game is over are:
- Pere David's deer (conservation icon)
- Blackbuck (need one Asian antelope)
- Nilgai (a very unique animal)
- Tajik Markhor (more as a tribute to ZT2 than anything)
- Kirk's Dik-Dik (common in zoos and they're tiny!)
- European wild boar (one of the few European species missing)
- Visayan Warty Pig
Others that would be nice for diversity given their commonness in captivity but aren't a must as theyre mostly clones:
- Aoudad
- Rothschild's Giraffe
- South American Tapir
- Roan Antelope
- Arabian Oryx
- European Wisent
- Sitatunga
I live your list
Thanks. I see a lot of requests for obscure or random ungulates that don't make much sense (y'know, random stuff like impala, saiga, serows and saolas) but I feel these on the list are by and large the zoo staples we are missing. A lot of the dlc ungulates we've had have been rather left field tbh and while they're still nice to have, they certainly wouldn't have been my choices (I'm thinking dall Sheep, wild water buffalo, nile lechwe, blue wildebeest etc.). That's actually what I kinda like about the Arid pack. Sure ite ungulate heavy, but they're a really solid selection of ungulates, all common in zoos and no nosensicle inclusions. I actually really like the pack for that and while all at once may have been a bit much for some, you can be certain the addax, black rhino, dama gazelle, dromedary and somali wild ass would all have made this list. So I think as a far as a pack that represents North African fauna goes (if we ignore the Arid name and just accept its as a regional pack) it is really strong, it contains basically all the must have ungulates from the region and ungulates make up much of the fauna for said region.
Yea I love the arid pack and the hate for it IMO is very upsetting tbh
Yeah, honestly, in some cases it's kinda hypocritical. Many of these were asked for, but we got them and they gave hate to the pack itself, not for the inclusion of the gazelle.
Honestly, 6/8 of these animals were very much requested. The only 2 that weren't were the dama gazelle and the desert horned viper. So, it's just disappointing that, instead of seeing the majority of the good (75%), a lot of people saw the 2 bad (25%)
Honestly, 6/8 of these animals were very much requested. The only 2 that weren't were the dama gazelle and the desert horned viper. So, it's just disappointing that, instead of seeing the majority of the good (75%), a lot of people saw the 2 bad (25%)
Exactly it’s a very good list for zoo captivity and making a region that was previously not represented well at all, one of the best in the game now
Its not hypocritical though.
1. No gurantee that the people requesting them are the one criticising the pack
2. Even more important as far as i saw nobody criticted any animal choice in particular, but the fact that the pack unarguably lacks general variety. Yes blabla different ungulates but in the end they still all more or less will be put in habitats that will look the same. Build one build all yk?
+ this isnt even mentioning the lack of any non african animals, cause while yes north africa wasnt that well represented, tell me with a straight face that it needed all 8 slots and couldnt have given atleast 2 to australia. North africa has now more habitat animals then oceania and that just does not feel right. And then it didnt even give us the arguably most requested animal from the region the hamadryas baboon, so saying that the pack is just what the community wanted really does not hold up.
True, yes. I'm not denying that it could've been miles better had they included at least a baboon.
I'm just saying what I've seen in some comments that people have stated they wanted one thing, but when it finally came, they complained about it. Not here in particular, just in general
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And I don't get why people are so upset about it being only Saharan species in a desert pack. If it was called 'Saharan Animal Pack'would that solve the issue? Because people don't seem to necessarily be disliking the animals, they're just annoyed they're all from North Africa despite the pack being based on a biome not a geographical region. But then what I don't understand about that is the name and the animals are revealed side by side. It's not like they announce the name well in advance and then people get all excited thinking about the potential animals that would fit that name. They just go 'here you go - Arid animal pack with x species'.
So honestly I think the main criticism people have is just that the selection of highly requested animals included in the pack were too samey. At which point shall we just drop themed packs and have a mish mash of 7 random animals with no commonality yoinked from the top of the wishlist every three months? Because if you want a desert pack, a biome known for its lack of biodiversity, dominance by ungulates and small reptiles and then get exactly that and are upset, you either don't understand rhe biome you're requesting be made into a DLC or you're just complaining for the sake of it. Like genuinely, what Australian species would you have added in place? The only Oceanian species that really have any requests and aren't some form of clone of existing animals (lizards and more wallabies) are all temperate and tropical species..
Likewise the Atacama really doesn't have much to offer and North American deserts really contain species that are rarely found in captivity beyond local roadside zoos in the local vicinity. None of those are really better options than a desert pack rammed with highly requested and common in captivity species worldwide....
Here's your straight face. North Africa is vastly larger in terms of land mass and has both more fauna in general and more species commonly found in captivity worldwide than Oceania. So I don't see why it should have less species in game than Oceania?
And I don't get why people are so upset about it being only Saharan species in a desert pack. If it was called 'Saharan Animal Pack'would that solve the issue? Because people don't seem to necessarily be disliking the animals, they're just annoyed they're all from North Africa despite the pack being based on a biome not a geographical region. But then what I don't understand about that is the name and the animals are revealed side by side. It's not like they announce the name well in advance and then people get all excited thinking about the potential animals that would fit that name. They just go 'here you go - Arid animal pack with x species'.
So honestly I think the main criticism people have is just that the selection of highly requested animals included in the pack were too samey. At which point shall we just drop themed packs and have a mish mash of 7 random animals with no commonality yoinked from the top of the wishlist every three months? Because if you want a desert pack, a biome known for its lack of biodiversity, dominance by ungulates and small reptiles and then get exactly that and are upset, you either don't understand rhe biome you're requesting be made into a DLC or you're just complaining for the sake of it. Like genuinely, what Australian species would you have added in place? The only Oceanian species that really have any requests and aren't some form of clone of existing animals (lizards and more wallabies) are all temperate and tropical species..
Likewise the Atacama really doesn't have much to offer and North American deserts really contain species that are rarely found in captivity beyond local roadside zoos in the local vicinity. None of those are really better options than a desert pack rammed with highly requested and common in captivity species worldwide....
Wohoo ungulate talk prepare for a wall of text.
Honestly I don't think the ungulate representation in Planet zoo is that good. First, the elephant in the room:
absolute lack of a small ungulates
I think Planet Zoo as a game would benefit hugely from both a dik-dik AND a small forest ungulate, be it pudu, muntjac, or duiker (my bet is on the muntjac given its popularity). As a person who knows their ungulates, the lack of this niche is just too on the nose, and I really hope they add one in a future pack, or both in a best case scenario.
Now let's analyze the current roster. We have a clear hippotragine "over"representation: sable antelope, gemsbok, scimitar oryx and addax... (something something Zoo Tycoon). Are they good animals? Definitely. Did we need that many? Well, it's not that we don't need them, it's just that it feels wrong we have so many of them when other antelope groups are just not represented at all? A similar thing happened with the blue wildebeest, I personally don't find it that exciting since we already had the black wildebeest, but I understand its addition because it is a very popular animal and the quality difference with the vanilla one is just so stark lol. Gonna repeat myself, but the dikdik is definitely the biggest miss in African antelopes right now. Gerenuk, impala, eland or great kudu are all nice iconic and diverse species that are often requested but honestly they are not something that most players would welcome anymore because of the already cluttered African hoofstock roster, specially after the Arid pack, and the fact that they aren't that difficult to do properly as good mods (at least not anymore for the case of the gerenuk and the impala, thank u dama gazelle!). I would definitely welcome an official blackbuck more than any medium-large African antelope, even though it would literally just be a springbok/thommie clone basically.
Unironically, I find the Nile lechwe to be the best addition there was in the packs in terms of African antelopes, as it added much representation for reduncines (water antelopes) that was not present despite being super common in zoos. If you compare it to the blue wildebeest, the scimitar oryx and the addax, which basically added little in terms of diversity value.
As for other ungulates and continents, I think we are not missing anything that big besides the takin and the muskox, both are unlike anything we currently have. The markhor is also very popular and I totally expect it and would welcome, but it's not an animal I desperately need, it's rather a "cool, they finally added officially" kind of thing similar to the blackbuck. And to add my grain of sand to the conversation, no, the barbary sheep is not a better option at all, while I understand it's common in captivity and that is fairly unique we don't really have a need for more north african ungulates after the arid pack, its chances to get into the game are basically zero now.
Now in terms of other ungulates there are a few that I think would be pretty cool additions, but similarly to the markhor I'm not that concerned about them not being added, basically I don't care that much if they don't get added but if they do I won't think it's a bad addition (unlike the stupid skunk). Those would be a musk deer, a mouse deer, the saiga, the Japanese serow and the lowland anoa.
Mmmm thinking of what other important species in the ungulate group would be worth mentioning.
Oh right: cetaceans :^^^^^^^)
and peccaries!
Rant over.
Honestly I don't think the ungulate representation in Planet zoo is that good. First, the elephant in the room:
absolute lack of a small ungulates
I think Planet Zoo as a game would benefit hugely from both a dik-dik AND a small forest ungulate, be it pudu, muntjac, or duiker (my bet is on the muntjac given its popularity). As a person who knows their ungulates, the lack of this niche is just too on the nose, and I really hope they add one in a future pack, or both in a best case scenario.
Now let's analyze the current roster. We have a clear hippotragine "over"representation: sable antelope, gemsbok, scimitar oryx and addax... (something something Zoo Tycoon). Are they good animals? Definitely. Did we need that many? Well, it's not that we don't need them, it's just that it feels wrong we have so many of them when other antelope groups are just not represented at all? A similar thing happened with the blue wildebeest, I personally don't find it that exciting since we already had the black wildebeest, but I understand its addition because it is a very popular animal and the quality difference with the vanilla one is just so stark lol. Gonna repeat myself, but the dikdik is definitely the biggest miss in African antelopes right now. Gerenuk, impala, eland or great kudu are all nice iconic and diverse species that are often requested but honestly they are not something that most players would welcome anymore because of the already cluttered African hoofstock roster, specially after the Arid pack, and the fact that they aren't that difficult to do properly as good mods (at least not anymore for the case of the gerenuk and the impala, thank u dama gazelle!). I would definitely welcome an official blackbuck more than any medium-large African antelope, even though it would literally just be a springbok/thommie clone basically.
Unironically, I find the Nile lechwe to be the best addition there was in the packs in terms of African antelopes, as it added much representation for reduncines (water antelopes) that was not present despite being super common in zoos. If you compare it to the blue wildebeest, the scimitar oryx and the addax, which basically added little in terms of diversity value.
As for other ungulates and continents, I think we are not missing anything that big besides the takin and the muskox, both are unlike anything we currently have. The markhor is also very popular and I totally expect it and would welcome, but it's not an animal I desperately need, it's rather a "cool, they finally added officially" kind of thing similar to the blackbuck. And to add my grain of sand to the conversation, no, the barbary sheep is not a better option at all, while I understand it's common in captivity and that is fairly unique we don't really have a need for more north african ungulates after the arid pack, its chances to get into the game are basically zero now.
Now in terms of other ungulates there are a few that I think would be pretty cool additions, but similarly to the markhor I'm not that concerned about them not being added, basically I don't care that much if they don't get added but if they do I won't think it's a bad addition (unlike the stupid skunk). Those would be a musk deer, a mouse deer, the saiga, the Japanese serow and the lowland anoa.
Mmmm thinking of what other important species in the ungulate group would be worth mentioning.
Oh right: cetaceans :^^^^^^^)
and peccaries!
Rant over.
