Efter all these years.. still ED is on top.

[Rat Catcher]

Because, as we all know, nothing else in the game requires grinding. Only the engineers. Sheesh.

Any "grind" in the game is the creation of the player - think about it...

Engineers are useful, although I'm not sure the EDO ones are essential, and can be unlocked easily. Materials needed for upgrades can be collected during play - provided the player is not focussed on a single activity - over time... The "grind" is only the player wanting stuff now, surely?

 

[Keloot]

It seems fashionable to express hate on the Internet..

Personally I think it all somewhat ridiculous.

i would say its more profitable most if not all elite youtubers chanels are dead . and the only thing they can do to revive them is trash elite. yamiks is a good exemple . his trashing of elite has 150k viewers etc but the rest barly breaks the 10k and his not the only one.i could find even more dead youtube chanels to put as an exemple but i perfer to leave it at that . dont want to get in trouble with the mods

 

[Keloot]

i would say its more profitable most if not all elite youtubers chanels are dead . and the only thing they can do to revive them is trash elite. yamiks is a good exemple . his trashing of elite has 150k viewers etc but the rest barly breaks the 10k and his not the only one.i could find even more dead youtube chanels to put as an exemple but i perfer to leave it at that . dont want to get in trouble with the mods View attachment 368147

a all post some more .heres obsidanants chanels . his only good video that surparces his elites doom post is starfields exploration that is when the game came out rest is prety mutch dead.

 

[Keloot]

heres another one . he was posted a few times but he is not known . i forgot who posted him frist in the forums but his only video with 400k is about trashing elite . the rest dont break 10k from then forward apart from his other video bashing elite that got 100k

 

[Keloot]

anyways elite is fine anyone bashing it is just doing it for youtube money because they are to lazy to get a real job lol... and non youtubers are just trolling to get high

 

[Hellrider]

I understand if some gamers don't like "grindy" games, but many of these people expressed how they had played the game for significant amounts of time (hundreds, even thousands of hours), but their gripe was that engineers in particular require grinding. Because, as we all know, nothing else in the game requires grinding. Only the engineers. Sheesh.

Because some people "hate" grind, but cannot ignore it, they aren't able to play without grinding.
Give ape possibility to grind for hour to get everything, even by the most stupid or boring way, and organically gathering stuff as consequence of doing their business.
They will pick grinding, ignoring 90% of gameplay at after it complaining at soulcrushing grind.
Some people basically put hand in fire only to cry that fire is hot.

 

[Jack Winter]

i would say its more profitable most if not all elite youtubers chanels are dead .

I'd say that there are quite a few active and positive ones. Maybe we should call the "dead" ones hasbeens...

 

[CMDR 1936]

When you see new space games that comes out, there are not even near the quality that Elite dangerous has. There is no other game that can give you this feeling when controlling your spaceship and immersion that Elite dangerous provides. The sound effects in Elite dangerous is really good, the engine sounds, the sounds in the environment is also very well done. I just wish Frontier worked more on the game because it feels it's almost there.

Starfield is a good game, simply way oversold, and expected as a savior by unexperienced players on the internet who went into some hectic hype craze trying to unify two antinomical propositions. I enjoy Starfield, but it conforted me that the whole procedural Elite is the future for Space Games, PROVIDING THAT Frontier plays its hand well. I still trust them, I still love Elite, but a big change is needed to unlock its future value, like maybe a complete spinoff of the game...

 

[TickTock]

Hello. Getting back in to ED after a long hiatus. My son got SF and that reminded me how much I loved ED. I was going to get SF until 1) I learned flight physics is not realistic 6DOF, 2) it is only single player and 3) no VR. Any one of these would make a SF purchase a hard "no" for me. Having real pilots gunning for you adds a level of excitement no NPC or AI can. Although some places are safer than others, nowhere is truly safe and you can't stay in the safer areas forever so have to always watch your back. Also VR is such a huge immersion factor in dog-fighting or even even collecting minerals on cold distant moons. I remember the feeling of loneliness and fighting despair knowing how far I was from civilization with no company except the crunch of my wheels on the ground and noone would see me die. That level of immersion doesn't come from a pancake game. With few exceptions I refuse to buy non-VR games anymore. After reading this thread, it is disappointing to find that, after 10 years, there is still nothing to replace it.

 

[Darrack]

it is disappointing to find that, after 10 years, there is still nothing to replace it.

Not disappointing, testament to how good ED actually is

O7

 

[Eric Palmer]

I love the good vibe here. ED really needs a good PR boost. Been playing for 10 months '500+Hrs'. Just started playing the Odyssey version for the space legs. Already have 3 first footsteps and a few first scan biologicals. Fly Dangerous Commanders. O7

 

[Keloot]

not only does elite run better its less buggy.,. just got my save filedesotryed because of a bug and lost 3 days oif game time now i have to revert back to level 5 or start a new save file from level 63 because the game decided my ship is not mine and made it inacessable . and the fix breaks the save file because now no crew members are on the ship anymore.........

anyone that says elite is a buggy mess they sure are lying and arent real.

 

[DjVortex]

anyone that says elite is a buggy mess they sure are lying and arent real.

One of the common complaints about the game that you see out there is that the developers haven't fixed bugs that have long been reported.

Maybe that's true. However, I always have to wonder what bugs they are talking about. I encounter bugs so rarely that I can't even remember a specific one right now (other than the game having crashed on me maybe 2 or 3 times during the last 6 or so months that I have played it on PC). It seems to me that these bugs that people complain about are so niche that a normal player rarely encounters them. Or at least I rarely encounter them. (I'm certain that there are "power players" out there who do very particular things who encounter these bugs constantly, but that's not my experience. And, I would assume, not the experience of the average casual player.)

 

[Jack Winter]

Well there are loads of bugs in Elite (as in many other programs), but not all that many game breaking ones..

 

[OutofSpace]

One of the common complaints about the game that you see out there is that the developers haven't fixed bugs that have long been reported.

Maybe that's true. However, I always have to wonder what bugs they are talking about. I encounter bugs so rarely that I can't even remember a specific one right now (other than the game having crashed on me maybe 2 or 3 times during the last 6 or so months that I have played it on PC). It seems to me that these bugs that people complain about are so niche that a normal player rarely encounters them. Or at least I rarely encounter them. (I'm certain that there are "power players" out there who do very particular things who encounter these bugs constantly, but that's not my experience. And, I would assume, not the experience of the average casual player.)

I've been playing since release and only remember one bug I encountered. I infiltrated a megaship's data link and I didn't get the mission update message. I googled fixes, e.g. doing another megaship mission, etc but they didn't work. The "fix" was to abandon the mission. Not exactly a 'strong worded letter to Frontier' situation.
I've had ctd a number of times over the years but never got annoyed about it. Just reloaded and carried on. Computers hey? Wait until AI robots bug out, then we should worry/complain.
I've read complaints about Elite being riddled with bugs but that's not my experience.

 

[Rat Catcher]

I've read complaints about Elite being riddled with bugs but that's not my experience.

I'm not sure about "riddled with bugs" as is often claimed - yes, I see some while playing, but then have yet to find any game that has none...

It seems to me that there are too many 'gamers' who prefer to see negatives to complain about (we have plenty of regular posters here who do so, incessantly!) rather than enjoy the game, which has always struck me as strange. Perhaps those folk could post about the 'perfect, bug-free games' in their collection?

 

[DjVortex]

It seems to me that there are too many 'gamers' who prefer to see negatives to complain about (we have plenty of regular posters here who do so, incessantly!) rather than enjoy the game, which has always struck me as strange.

Yeah. Consider how many things ED does quite awesomely.

As an example, consider that the galaxy has 400 billion systems (if I have understood correctly, it's literally 400 billion systems, not just 400 billion stars), and in the galaxy map you can zoom into any of them. That's 400 billion little sphere that you can zoom into any one of them, individually, to see its details (name, star type, etc). Maybe the vast majority of the coordinates and star types are algorithmically generated, but it's still amazing that you there are literally 400 billion of them, and you can zoom into any one of them in real-time.

Or consider how seamlessly you can fly from a distant orbit to the surface of a planet and land there, as one contiguous movement, and this even though the game is like 10 years old. (Yes, there is texture popping sometimes, something that in a 2023 game wouldn't be necessary, but it's still quite impressive.) Heck, you can be in a very high orbit, and start approaching the planet, get into a slide, and then fly downwards until you are directly facing a plant on the ground, all in one contiguous smooth motion. This kind of seamless continuity adds a lot of immersion to the game. It really makes it feel like a planet is really there, rather than it being some kind of separate dimension to which you teleport through a loading screen. (Again, while this might not seem like such a huge deal in 2023, by 2014 standards it was quite impressive, I would say.)

And, of course, there's the really immersive first-person-perspective flying mechanics, and a myriad of other things.

And let's not forget the absolutely amazing soundscape of the game. Without it, it would be half the game it is.

 

[DjVortex]

his trashing of elite has 150k viewers etc but the rest barly breaks the 10k and his not the only one.

It indeed seems to be a rather popular and/or clickbaity topic. Now that I have watched some ED videos on YouTube, it's recommending me more and more every day, and I have noticed that a good majority of "I did this cool thing in ED" videos have usually very moderate view counts, while "ED is dead!!!" videos seem to have at least an order of magnitude more views.

 

[Jack Winter]

It's because "Ed is dedd" is such a catchy rhyme

 

[Ian Doncaster]

Maybe that's true. However, I always have to wonder what bugs they are talking about.

They're pretty good at not introducing bugs to the core trade-fight-explore-missions gameplay (more so with the last year or so of updates), and when they do get through they hotfix them pretty fast.

The biggest area where people tend to notice bugs is multiplayer - if you're mainly on your own or just seeing the occasional other player in supercruise or at a station (which is definitely the default for ED) you don't see them; if you're doing a lot of fighting in a wing (which the Thargoid content, for example, strongly encourages) they show up a fair bit more.

Equally there's a bunch of more niche gameplay elements - CQC, or even Fleet Carriers - where the bugs can persist for months or years. There's been a bug since Odyssey came out where some Engineers will randomly unlock themselves without you needing to meet the requirements. If there's two CGs running with different numbers of tiers it messes up the left panel display. Megaship hatchbreaking was broken for about two years - to the point where through sheer age the bug got to the top voted on the tracker - before it was fixed.

Essentially the issue is that the more "unusual" stuff you do - where "unusual" in this case loosely means "wasn't in FE2 in the 90s" - the more likely you are to see bugs and unfortunately also the more likely you are to see serious bugs. And it's generally going to be the more veteran players who do the unusual stuff, and also those players who complain about it most loudly rather than just quietly disappearing and playing something else, because they like ED enough that "ED without the bugs" seems more what they want than "not ED, also without that specific bug". Equally, if you like doing something niche and then a bug makes it entirely impossible to continue ... you're likely out of luck unless you can make it seem less niche, because it's not getting fixed otherwise.

(I've found a lot more bugs in ED than in most other games I've played. Bugs per hour played? Probably not all that out of line. But people play ED a lot and the business model is for people to play ED a lot, so they probably do need to look to fix more niche bugs than they might otherwise get away with)