Over the last few day's it has been, especially in here.
No Single Player offline Mode then?
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Over the last few day's it has been, especially in here.
Well, people on the forums complained about ED not getting enough attention from the most popular websites.It's not the case anymore 
It's a ten minutes' flight tops between stations. Once docked you can walk away for a while.
I just checked the sales page...and it doesn't seem like it.
"Buy the Beta Edition of Elite: Dangerous and get access to all the Beta development stages."
THEN they offer you the full game as an extra once it's completed.
it's not that difficult, i do it often.
hit escape, klick "save and quit to menu".
it's one klick more than pressing "pause".
sure, you will lose your target when hunting...
a real "pause" just can't happen. you can't stop the galayx i'm afraid
So what? Has nothing to do with the post I responded to or my post. You really need to read the post that I responded to as you clearly have no idea what you are talking about. It does not matter if FD policy is over ridden by a law or if its not. That was not the point of the post I responded to or the post that I made. It was only about FD policy, perhaps if you read a post and stopped trolling you would learn something.
They denied ALL refunds, regardless of who helped them betatest their bugs or not. Same standard message for everyone. This must be what "case by case" means.
"Everyone else" doesn't seem to be too concerned about whether or not the game is ruined for the folks who truly wanted or even required single player offline. In fact, from what I see on this thread, "everyone else" seems to be almost giddy, posting hostile and argumentative messages, flaming people with legitimate concerns, telling them that their honest feelings about the issue are "wrong" because of technicalities a, b or c. They come here to battle and belittle anyone who raises a voice of discontent. The apologists are the aggressors here, so why should anyone care whether the game is ruined for them or not? In fact, if these apologists could get it through their thick skulls that FD's decision affects everyone, even them, maybe they wouldn't be so hostile. Make no mistake: one day they're going feel a little nostalgic and load up Elite Dangerous, but it won't be there. On that day, maybe they'll begin to understand the impact of FD's decision and feel just a tinge of shame for all the trouble they've caused on this thread. Then again, they seem pretty shameless, so maybe not.
Anyway, I for one would shed no tears if FD went bankrupt as a result of this underhanded decision. It's not that I'm happy to see the game ruined for everyone else; it's just that my hatred for lying corporate scumbags is that great. I would say I'd be more than happy if every company that ever lied went bankrupt, but then I'd probably just find myself in a world without any goods or services whatsoever. (Holding my palms up, weighing one against the other, trying to decide which I'd prefer.)
Well, that's an interesting one... They're giving you the game for free? LOL
Not true.... This is a great place for advice...
If you really want to get your own back.....Go round his house tonight....Ring his Door Bell ...AND RUN before he answers....That will get him good !!
I see the lack of an offline single player mode as a problem because I don't want my ability to play the game to be bound to the developers willingness or ability to support it. At some point in the future, the servers WILL be taken down. I suspect that I, and many others, will still want to play the game beyond that time.
A possible solution here would be to release a dedicated server application as an optional download to the community to allow us to host our own servers, and thus continue to play beyond the official end-of-life.
A possible solution here would be to release a dedicated server application as an optional download to the community to allow us to host our own servers, and thus continue to play beyond the official end-of-life.
Your receipt will state that you bought the alpha or beta, and that this made you eligible for a free copy of the game when it comes out.
I agree. My only requirement re: offline is to be able to play the game at my own pace without being forced to choose between completing the current journey/battle or dealing with a 'real life' interruption (kids, phone call, 'comfort break etc.) and dying in-game because I can't pause/save. If playing in 'solo mode' lets me do this then I'm happy. Can someone confirm that this will be the case?
(to put in context, I have pre-ordered so have not had any chance to experience gameplay mechanics yet)
I fully accept that others have an issue with the lack of offline because of practical internet connectivity challenges, and they have my sympathies.
They must have also given them the advice to "send out the same standard denial to everyone first, probably not even half of them will try again anyway"
As can be seen from my ranking I don't usually play with myself as I am 'Mostly Armless'
That is a sticky one, I agree. However, the problem I see (for the FD at least) is that we're talking about Alpha/Beta/Pre-sales here. Ignoring the final product pre-sales (as they're a guaranteed refund). The alpha/beta sales have all been bundled with the final product. So when you pay for alpha/beta access you're actually getting the final product in the package. It's this final product that is "faulty" as it was sold as having an offline mode (this cannot be denied, it's been said by FD everywhere) and they have now stated it will not have offline mode.
So the refunds based on a "faulty download" are not actually for alpha/beta downloads but in fact for the future download of the final product packaged by FD into the alpha/beta sales. Unless of course they suddenly decide to add offline mode to the final product!
The full game (Mercenary edition) is gifted for participating in the Beta. That's why I said that if I hadn't bought the game for the offline, I could be seen as a cunning leech; I bought in at the last moment, get more goodies than a pre-order and be thanked for something I never even did.
You didn't buy the full game when you bought Beta Access. You bought Beta Access.
What happens in these situations (and I have been here) is that both sides will consult their lawyers on how strong they think their case is, FD's lawyers might think they have a good case, your lawyers might think you have a good case. There is then some to and fro between the lawyers as each tries to convince the other that they are right. Eventually one side may concede that the other side's arguments are valid and recommend action to their client and eventually it all gets settled out of court. It only goes to court if the two legal teams can't agree. it's a bit like the animal kingdom where the males don't really want to fight, but puff up and try and convince the other male that they are stronger. Fights only happen if there is no clear "winner" in the posing contest. What this all boils down to is that FD's legal team have almost certainly looked at all the various bits of legislation and rendered a verdict on what FD's exposure to legal action is likely to be. In all probability this consultation was done before the announcement, and if the risk of refunds was as bad as you claim it was then they probably wouldn't have dropped offline. So it is highly likely that the right to refunds is limited to a few people who are getting them.
Yep, another poster mentioned that and as I said to them... That means the game is free!! FTW
Are they going to give it away on the release date do you think? (just joking... thanks for pointing that out though, seriously)
https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?t=58789&p=1024843&viewfull=1#post1024843
Very first person to reply after the Q&A DID get a refund. SO maybe MOST rather than ALL were denied.
Also people who've been refunded probably have left the forums and won't be coming back - if they were even an active presence on the forums to begin with (probably those who don't have the internet and didn't download the game)
Holy moly. I didn't think anything of this announcement at all - except that the client server code needs to get better at syncing to allow for poor internet connections.
After reading the slashdot thread on this. Nora. I didn't know we had such a bunch of whining lunatics in the galaxy. It's an MMO - even if just for world stats and market data, for crying out loud.
On a side thought, I recall spending 40 hours straight programming a game into my 16k ZX81 (from a magazine) only to find it was utterly unplayable as I had spent 40 hours reading and correcting all the formulae to the trading, mining and welfare systems so I knew what was gonna happen. And if I got stuck I could just cheat. Imagine if the server code leaked to the tinterwebs and secrets of market diamonds, exploration, thargoid homeworlds and such like came out ? It would be terrible. Not the mention the crappy off-line experience - it would literally be a different game and not the one advertised.
Have a pint of cider (it's ready now...more or less) and calm down. FD - do your utmost to reduce solo bandwidth usage and contiguous connectivity requirements. Be happy.
After reading the slashdot thread on this. Nora. I didn't know we had such a bunch of whining lunatics in the galaxy. It's an MMO - even if just for world stats and market data, for crying out loud.
On a side thought, I recall spending 40 hours straight programming a game into my 16k ZX81 (from a magazine) only to find it was utterly unplayable as I had spent 40 hours reading and correcting all the formulae to the trading, mining and welfare systems so I knew what was gonna happen. And if I got stuck I could just cheat. Imagine if the server code leaked to the tinterwebs and secrets of market diamonds, exploration, thargoid homeworlds and such like came out ? It would be terrible. Not the mention the crappy off-line experience - it would literally be a different game and not the one advertised.
Have a pint of cider (it's ready now...more or less) and calm down. FD - do your utmost to reduce solo bandwidth usage and contiguous connectivity requirements. Be happy.
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