I however don't believe that for a second. Like some, I hold to the belief that this "decision", which was certainly made much earlier than this, is DRM pure and simple.
Of course we're all free to believe what we want.
No Single Player offline Mode then?
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I however don't believe that for a second. Like some, I hold to the belief that this "decision", which was certainly made much earlier than this, is DRM pure and simple.
Of course we're all free to believe what we want.
Well, it's not the game I helped crowd fund. Same for many others, reading the posts here.
I will be going to the launch party on Saturday with my 9 year old daughter, and I'll enjoy meeting as many people as possible there. People who I've chatted with, debated with, enjoyed the journey with over the last two years before Frontier poisoned the well & communicated at the last minute that everything was for naught. I may even go "Oooh" and "Aahhh" at the shiny that Frontier will show. After all, I've paid for the privilege and that money isn't going to come back... so I may as well try and enjoy it.
However the game itself is effectively dead for me. And it's not because I don't have good internet at home (I do) but because I wanted, and was led all along to believe I would get, a fully offline game that was only affected by me and nobody else. I wanted to explore the galaxy. My galaxy. Not one I have to share with the great unwashed and people who have more time to play than I have. Progression-based games only work when you're not having to compete with that - and even in so-called "solo" mode I'd still be doing it. I have zero interest in becoming an online statistic for Frontier Developments.
I have little interest in Star Citizen (although I pre-ordered the game) for the same reasons.
My focus, and the light at the end of my tunnel now is Limit Theory. An honest, upfront & transparent guy who is developing a game as a labour of love, and is not blinded by the false notion that you need other players in your game to make it fun, or profitable in a corporate way. I wish I'd put the majority of my money there, but at the time I trusted David Braben to deliver over an unknown. You live and learn.
I backed the game to a pretty high level, but to all intents and purposes, consider me an ex-backer. Enjoy your game... happily safe in the knowledge that without people like myself there would be no game for you to play.
All I would ask in return is that you remember how we were treated, and discarded. Particularly when the same thing happens to you in Elite's future.
Because it will. Count on it.
I will be going to the launch party on Saturday with my 9 year old daughter, and I'll enjoy meeting as many people as possible there. People who I've chatted with, debated with, enjoyed the journey with over the last two years before Frontier poisoned the well & communicated at the last minute that everything was for naught. I may even go "Oooh" and "Aahhh" at the shiny that Frontier will show. After all, I've paid for the privilege and that money isn't going to come back... so I may as well try and enjoy it.
However the game itself is effectively dead for me. And it's not because I don't have good internet at home (I do) but because I wanted, and was led all along to believe I would get, a fully offline game that was only affected by me and nobody else. I wanted to explore the galaxy. My galaxy. Not one I have to share with the great unwashed and people who have more time to play than I have. Progression-based games only work when you're not having to compete with that - and even in so-called "solo" mode I'd still be doing it. I have zero interest in becoming an online statistic for Frontier Developments.
I have little interest in Star Citizen (although I pre-ordered the game) for the same reasons.
My focus, and the light at the end of my tunnel now is Limit Theory. An honest, upfront & transparent guy who is developing a game as a labour of love, and is not blinded by the false notion that you need other players in your game to make it fun, or profitable in a corporate way. I wish I'd put the majority of my money there, but at the time I trusted David Braben to deliver over an unknown. You live and learn.
I backed the game to a pretty high level, but to all intents and purposes, consider me an ex-backer. Enjoy your game... happily safe in the knowledge that without people like myself there would be no game for you to play.
All I would ask in return is that you remember how we were treated, and discarded. Particularly when the same thing happens to you in Elite's future.
Because it will. Count on it.
@David, @Michael, and any other FrontierDevelopments officer -- you are a disgrace.
You continue to refuse to stand by those that supported you in your time of need to fund your project. You continue to hide behind the letter of the law while operating in complete defiance to the principles of an open and cooperative community that you consider yourself to be a part of. You have brought shame to yourselves, your company, and your country.
Furthermore, you have abused the very nature of crowdfunding by coldly absconding with my money that I offered in good faith and in a spirit of cooperation and support. Your deeds -- your actions, your decisions -- will stand as a dark ominous warning to all future members of the crowdfunding community.
Do the right thing. You have continued to insist that it was the right thing to remove offline support, therefore, it should not be too difficult to continue doing the right thing and refund those that feel that you bait-and-switched them.
You continue to refuse to stand by those that supported you in your time of need to fund your project. You continue to hide behind the letter of the law while operating in complete defiance to the principles of an open and cooperative community that you consider yourself to be a part of. You have brought shame to yourselves, your company, and your country.
Furthermore, you have abused the very nature of crowdfunding by coldly absconding with my money that I offered in good faith and in a spirit of cooperation and support. Your deeds -- your actions, your decisions -- will stand as a dark ominous warning to all future members of the crowdfunding community.
Do the right thing. You have continued to insist that it was the right thing to remove offline support, therefore, it should not be too difficult to continue doing the right thing and refund those that feel that you bait-and-switched them.
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A wise man once said;
"@David, @Michael, and any other FrontDevelopments officer -- you are a disgrace.
You continue to refuse to stand by those that supported you in your time of need to fund your project. You continue to hide behind the letter of the law while operating in complete defiance to the principles of an open and cooperative community that you consider yourself to be a part of. You have brought shame to yourselves, your company, and your country.
Furthermore, you have abused the very nature of crowdfunding by coldly absconding with my money that I offered in good faith and in a spirit of cooperation and support. Your deeds -- your actions, your decisions -- will stand as a dark ominous warning to all future members of the crowdfunding community.
Do the right thing. You have continued to insist that it was the right thing to remove offline support, therefore, it should not be too difficult to continue doing the right thing and refund those that feel that you bait-and-switched them."
Well said Mr. -C-S-
"@David, @Michael, and any other FrontDevelopments officer -- you are a disgrace.
You continue to refuse to stand by those that supported you in your time of need to fund your project. You continue to hide behind the letter of the law while operating in complete defiance to the principles of an open and cooperative community that you consider yourself to be a part of. You have brought shame to yourselves, your company, and your country.
Furthermore, you have abused the very nature of crowdfunding by coldly absconding with my money that I offered in good faith and in a spirit of cooperation and support. Your deeds -- your actions, your decisions -- will stand as a dark ominous warning to all future members of the crowdfunding community.
Do the right thing. You have continued to insist that it was the right thing to remove offline support, therefore, it should not be too difficult to continue doing the right thing and refund those that feel that you bait-and-switched them."
Well said Mr. -C-S-
Sounds more like a cynical bargaining stage of of grief rather than anything particularly wise
Ya know guys I really feel for ya.....
No Offline doesn't bother me that much although I would have loved it and even started a thread on alternatives ( which got blended into another )
and even though im ok with it all I have been around ...Agreed, Disagreed and made a few comments mainly in support of your feelings towards offline mode.
The decision has been made final and refunds are in process.....What's the point...your just beating yourselves up keeping the thread open and going over and over again.
what more is there to gain keeping the thread open ?
No Offline doesn't bother me that much although I would have loved it and even started a thread on alternatives ( which got blended into another )
and even though im ok with it all I have been around ...Agreed, Disagreed and made a few comments mainly in support of your feelings towards offline mode.
The decision has been made final and refunds are in process.....What's the point...your just beating yourselves up keeping the thread open and going over and over again.
what more is there to gain keeping the thread open ?
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There is no bargaining with brigands. The money is gone because I am an original KS backer.
Good riddance David Braben, I only knew of you for a short while...I will soon forget you ever existed. It is abundantly clear that you have already returned the favor.
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How about we turn the question around? What's wrong with leaving it open? I'm sure there are lots of people who are just now finding out about this.
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ok ,i just read DB asnwered questions on the forums..
still, it kinda sucks... that game is all i wanted so much.. it makes a returns like 20 years since elite frontier.. but only restricted for intenret.... sucks...
how could it wouldve been to play in your own galaxy, etc etc..
make me sad as christmas is coming :'(
Edit: ok , i should stop whinin like a lil baby. the game is cool and ill play soon the new built !
still, it kinda sucks... that game is all i wanted so much.. it makes a returns like 20 years since elite frontier.. but only restricted for intenret.... sucks...
how could it wouldve been to play in your own galaxy, etc etc..
make me sad as christmas is coming :'(
Edit: ok , i should stop whinin like a lil baby. the game is cool and ill play soon the new built !
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The problem is there is no refunds being done... if they were... we wouldn't be here. Also if someone feels the need to fix FD <SNIP> feel free to PM me I can provide my paypal account for 100 pounds I donated on KS. *never played or downloaded the game*
Cheers,
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Had a look on ebay but can't see any for sale. Could be some bargains to be had here if I could only find where they're being sold, cheap lifelong pass
Yeah well, you mean as long as the servers stay up, not lifelong.
Not sure I understand this perspective. Surely part of the difficulty of making an offline version of the game is simulating everything you mentioned above. I figured this is what they were struggling with. A developing galaxy. I imagine all these kind of things would happen in the offline version, if they were making it.
Well its quiet tonight and will probably be even more so tomorrow...and even if they come...what more can be achieved...as soon as the first refund was given there was no going back.
Hey its not my decision ... I just cant see any more you can do ..... You gave it your best..
To fight and conquer in all your battles is not supreme excellence; supreme excellence consists in breaking the enemy’s resistance without fighting.
- Sun Tzu, the Art of War
Removing an adversaries will to fight is a great way to win, but only if that adversary falls for it.
You achieve this pretty easily: you give each player a copy of the server, enabled to only listen to localhost. At the end of the day, you have the servers dump a copy of the status, and people who have spotty connectivity can update their local server.
Also you get 0 ping. How cool would that be if you have sh*t internet?
Why wouldn't they? It seems to be what they planned all along. Keep in mind they built this game, they could have built it any way they wanted, and they DID.
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