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And would you take the same tolerant view if FD had pulled the online game instead? Really?
No Single Player Offline Mode then? [Part 2]
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And would you take the same tolerant view if FD had pulled the online game instead? Really?
Probably not even that. The discount is what we campaigned for, and got. You buy a whole new package, the beta, and you get a discount for using the previous payment to cover some of the cost. In effect you cancelled the previous purchase, and used the refund to buy the beta.
You are well aware that for ages companies have tried to misrepresent to customers what their legal rights are, right?
It's why you see so many cases of companies being froced by court to pay out fines or compensations despite those companies trying to claim to their customers that they didn't have these rights.
They lost my trust when they pulled this stunt on us.
As you are no judge, you are in no position to "decide" what he is legally entitled to, neither is Frontier... that decision is up to court, in case he goes down that path.
Your "kind" rants, won't change anything...
No i mean offline mode!
Another angle, if you have a life outside of ED as 100% of us do, an evolving world will feel unrealistic to most of us as when ever you come to play the game alot would have changed! Especially if your only able to play the game once or twice a week (if im lucky). Even though i have played the game mostly online i do feel that once the full game is ready an offline experience would better suit myself and most probably anyone else who can only play this game occasionally. If your on the game every day then you would surely benefit from the experience that David Braben is pushing so hard for. But i feel this pushing so hard has just push alot of its customers away. Personally i would like to be immersed in a world for a few hours a week, everytime i play im going to be playing catch up and trying to learn what has changed. At least in an offline mode i can save my game and come back and continue where i left off, there can still be a dynamic market and all the other features, its just that they are managed by my stand alone install on my computer and influenced by AI input and my own.
Dont get me wrong im very excited by the features online will bring but it will only last a short while, once you have had a few battles PVP battles to your liking or not you will soon get bored and fed up with the constant catching up with whats going on. I really do feel that many will wish ED had an offline mode later down the line.
My decision now is a gamble, do i carry on and hope that the online experience wont get boring and annoying when only playing a few hours a week or get a refund while i still can (via my rights as a buyer).
Another angle, if you have a life outside of ED as 100% of us do, an evolving world will feel unrealistic to most of us as when ever you come to play the game alot would have changed! Especially if your only able to play the game once or twice a week (if im lucky). Even though i have played the game mostly online i do feel that once the full game is ready an offline experience would better suit myself and most probably anyone else who can only play this game occasionally. If your on the game every day then you would surely benefit from the experience that David Braben is pushing so hard for. But i feel this pushing so hard has just push alot of its customers away. Personally i would like to be immersed in a world for a few hours a week, everytime i play im going to be playing catch up and trying to learn what has changed. At least in an offline mode i can save my game and come back and continue where i left off, there can still be a dynamic market and all the other features, its just that they are managed by my stand alone install on my computer and influenced by AI input and my own.
Dont get me wrong im very excited by the features online will bring but it will only last a short while, once you have had a few battles PVP battles to your liking or not you will soon get bored and fed up with the constant catching up with whats going on. I really do feel that many will wish ED had an offline mode later down the line.
My decision now is a gamble, do i carry on and hope that the online experience wont get boring and annoying when only playing a few hours a week or get a refund while i still can (via my rights as a buyer).
Despite the fact that i'm angry I don't like to see someone ruin the fun of others at the premiere event
Thanks for that. It's good to know it's being looked at and not dismissed out of hand.
Since you're here Michael and it seems pertinent to alot of people wondering why the refund policy isn't more lax in their favour; was there a high percentage of users with large amounts of gametime already racked up that applied for refunds?
False equivalency. The game was designed first and foremost with multiplayer in mind, not off-line single player. Off-line single player was a side-feature. If they couldn't deliver on multiplayer then the project would have serious issues and would most likely fail.
I fail to see why there cannot be an offline mode with optional periodic connectivity to add the content David claims the game needs to work, that way people could play on the plane, on the train, on a mid Atlantic cruise whatever situation that see's some people without an internet connection for any period, the whole notion of continued internet connectivity is nothing more than another round about way of anti piracy DRM.
I'm quite sure more specific details on that would be very welcome by most of us.
Offline was specifically punted as an option to encourage people to sign up who didn't want to play an MMO (it's the only reason I got on board). This is not in in the same league as adding paint jobs or changing the HUD colour.
Though in the interest of fairness could you please list the features that were added / improved instead of delivering offline? That would be most helpful in showing us that the best decisions were made.
Yes, I would have no choice, since that is what an alpha/beta test is. You are paying for that access and accept from the start that nothing is guaranteed and you are owed nothing. If you don't like the prospect of getting nothing then you should never join an alpha/beta test group.
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I am curious about something. Do you envision the game to be completely static? IE lets assume we got offline mode. Would you want that offline mode to be completely static? in the sense that say gold on station X costs y now and if you play the game for 1000 hours and go back to station x it will still cost y because it is static. Or would you expect the price to fluctuate? Either randomly to sorta give the impression of an economy or actually based on your and npc trading to have an actual economy?
lolwhat. Seriously? Oh that's a special form of legalese...
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Where was it described as a "side feature"? I missed that.
I'm angry. I'll be at the Premiere. I think if people want to protest, they shouldn't go. Make a video of yourself tearing up your ticket and post it on the forum, but don't ruin the night for everyone else.
Yeah, I wasn't sure on that one. If I think I know something I'll stand behind it... this one falls into the seedy grey underworld of contractual precedent and that is the one that keeps movie industry in debate for decades.
Unfortunately it is normal business, and don't even remotely blame David or Michael for that. A company will in the interest of investors, partners etc. always try to minimize losses.
Denying, claims of customers legal or not, is calculated as pure numbers, if the option to deny a refund holds the better numbers, legal department and controlling will force it that way.
Not nice, but often a fact in business.
Since you seem to enjoy posting here I think you should do the moderator's jobs for them and ban yourself. Goodbye old chap.
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