New Super supercruise FSDs, Python 2s and so on

[IstvaanDCIV]

If we're defining pay to win so broadly as to capture literally any transaction beyond the initial purchase price of a game, then sure I guess. This isn't loot boxes though, we're essentially getting paid updates that players can choose to pay for or not. Which seems fine. My only beef with the new ships is how they've so cynically and successfully distracted people from genuinely egregious practices like the ridiculous price hike on cosmetics.

For me it wasn't so much the price hike itself, I was more or less expecting it. But I wasn't expecting that they would do it by effectively devaluing all the Arx that everyone had accumulated previously. That was a complete a-hole move and since then I have been more reluctant to buy Arx than previously.

 

[Rat Catcher]

For me it wasn't so much the price hike itself, I was more or less expecting it. But I wasn't expecting that they would do it by effectively devaluing all the Arx that everyone had accumulated previously. That was a complete a-hole move and since then I have been more reluctant to buy Arx than previously.

That little gem of a move lost FD the money I'd normally spend buying Arx on 4 accounts each year for PJs / Ship Kits etc.
Yes, I'm buying the Stellar ships, but no more Arx for cosmetics.
My gain, overall, I think.

 

[CMDR Daiyus]

For me it wasn't so much the price hike itself, I was more or less expecting it. But I wasn't expecting that they would do it by effectively devaluing all the Arx that everyone had accumulated previously. That was a complete a-hole move and since then I have been more reluctant to buy Arx than previously.

That, coupled with removing almost all the paintjobs I'd actually consider buying. Why buy devalued ARX when they have nothing that I want for sale? I haven't spent a penny on ARX since that change, whereas before I was buying ARX every few weeks as my fleet expanded on my reset CMDR. The first ARX purchase I'll be making is when I next get online to buy the Type-8, and that'll be it until the next ship.

 

[Rat Catcher]

The first ARX purchase I'll be making is when I next get online to buy the Type-8, and that'll be it until the next ship.

Which version are you going for?
I'm getting the Stellar pack, but will buy a vanilla T-8 at Jameson and kit it out as required for play this afternoon.
Said play being going out gathering Mats to engineer the new ship!

 

[CMDR Daiyus]

Which version are you going for?
I'm getting the Stellar pack, but will buy a vanilla T-8 at Jameson and kit it out as required for play this afternoon.
Said play being going out gathering Mats to engineer the new ship!

I'll probably buy the Basic version, as I did with the Python Mk.II. I'm not that keen on a lot of the ship kits in the game, and the Stellar exclusive paintjobs haven't really been to my tastes either, so I figure I'd save a little cash and build the ship up myself. If they ever release a kit or paintjob I like for the ships, I'll consider buying more then.

I'm hoping to build mine up to be something of a mission runner, to take advantage of the expanded mission material rewards. It'll be a nice change to fly a ship to earn the materials to upgrade that ship, rather than using one of my dedicated material gatherers.

 

[Doctor Dread]

I was buying ARX

I'm getting the Stellar pack,

Don't you have no shame?!!
Openly admitting here you are paying to win ?!!!

(regardless of me not having a clue what a win in Elite is, what advantage you're gaining over me, how it will make me less potent and you more, shame on you!!)

 

[Rat Catcher]

Don't you have no shame?!!

Me? Never!

Openly admitting here you are paying to win ?!!!

If you were as lousy a pilot as me, you'd take every opportunity to excel in superior ship stock that others will never have...

(regardless of me not having a clue what a win in Elite is, what advantage you're gaining over me, how it will make me less potent and you more, shame on you!!)

P2W is a tribal chant, a bit like "8 bit" was when the 1st 16 bit computers were introduced. As far as I can tell, anyways...

 

[galahad2069]

The first trouble is that I exchanged no real currency for mine, so under that determination it was not pay-to-win at all! The details of whether one wants to include the jump-start notion within pay-to-win are irrelevant there, because no payment occurred.

Absolutely no trouble about that. The fact that you paid only your free ARX for the early access only means that you personally did not happen to use the P2W option. That does not make the P2W element nonexistent, since the opportunity to exchange real currency for a certain ingame benefit is still there for whoever wants to use it.

Moreover though, levying that accusation upon the early Python 2 erodes its impact a lot, because it can be compared to something else in Elite which gave a much larger benefit and required real currency as opposed to Arx—Horizons! Buying Horizons gave early Krait, Mamba, engineering and Guardian modules, yet that seems to have evaded consideration. Is an expansion pay-to-win? Perhaps, but at least recognise that the early Python 2 is no more than a smaller version of that, with the favourable point of not needing real currency necessarily!

Smaller or greater version of P2W, what does it matter? Early access Py2 is not the first example of P2W in this game, true that, so what? It's still what it is.

One can cast the pay-to-win term widely if one wants, it is just that the response becomes casually "of course, as is any expansion"!

Nobody "casts" anything, it's simply the name of a certain kind of monetisation technique, an example of which happens to be the early access of the Py2 in this game, get over it.

So every time I bought Arx in readiness for the Sales, I was winning?

Literally....



Sorry, I have to laugh at such a broad definition, and the excellent thing is that I shall continue to "WIN!!!" while others continue to whine...

Again, it's just the name of a certain monetisation technique in the computer gaming industry, a technical term, idk what's so funny about it. Pointing out if something fits a certain definition has nothing to do with "whining". Insisting that something does not fit some definition while it quite obviously does, on the other hand, is just plain stupid.

 

[vanFace]

I suppose, as long as the "P2W" crew here never buy any of the ships that will be initially available as 'early access', then their principles will be upheld fully?

I sure hope everyone of that crew will at some point give more money to FDEV. The more people do that, the longer I can enjoy the game.

 

[Rat Catcher]

Insisting that something does not fit some definition while it quite obviously does, on the other hand, is just plain stupid.

Tell that to a physicist...

Definitions are fabricated by poeple, who can be very wrong at times... Or just plain hilarious. I'm afraid I find P2W drops wonderfully into the latter of the two, and plain stupid? Yeah, it is.

ETA: Don't get me wrong, I'm sure it is a wonderful definition and invaluable to any gamer who is unable to competently manage their finances when it comes to game content.

 

[Rat Catcher]

I sure hope everyone of that crew will at some point give more money to FDEV. The more people do that, the longer I can enjoy the game.

They couldn't possibly - that would make them hypocrites, unless an expansion appears, and that is 97.2% unlikely to happen in the next 5 years or so.

 

[vanFace]

They couldn't possibly - that would make them hypocrites, unless an expansion appears, and that is 97.2% unlikely to happen in the next 5 years or so.

Ah, screw that. Being a hypocrite is the newest sh...iny thing these days, anyway, so they should just open up their wallets and let the bucks fly. For cosmetics, too. Don't mind that price hike. I mean, it happens with real money all the time, too. What is a little inflation between friends?

 

[AceMcKool]

I know that P2s at least have been available through pay-to-win for some months now. When are they scheduled for sale through conventional means? Next update?

Please enlighten me: how exactly are the pre-built ships "pay-to-win"?

 

[Darrack]

Absolutely no trouble about that. The fact that you paid only your free ARX for the early access only means that you personally did not happen to use the P2W option. That does not make the P2W element nonexistent, since the opportunity to exchange real currency for a certain ingame benefit is still there for whoever wants to use it.



Smaller or greater version of P2W, what does it matter? Early access Py2 is not the first example of P2W in this game, true that, so what? It's still what it is.



Nobody "casts" anything, it's simply the name of a certain kind of monetisation technique, an example of which happens to be the early access of the Py2 in this game, get over it.



Again, it's just the name of a certain monetisation technique in the computer gaming industry, a technical term, idk what's so funny about it. Pointing out if something fits a certain definition has nothing to do with "whining". Insisting that something does not fit some definition while it quite obviously does, on the other hand, is just plain stupid.

I paid for a Mk2 I'm still waiting for my win, will it come before me paying for my T8, so do i have to wait for a double win?
I'm confused

O7

 

[Rat Catcher]

Please enlighten me: how exactly are the pre-built ships "pay-to-win"?

I'm sure someone will drop by to explain the definition, handed down from above and etched on a Palladium tablet...

 

[Rat Catcher]

I paid for a Mk2 I'm still waiting for my win, will it come before me paying for my T8, so do i have to wait for a double win?
I'm confused

O7

I've already won twice...

I wonder, come November, if I will make it thrice? (assuming it is the Cobra Mk V, naturally)

 

[galahad2069]

I paid for a Mk2 I'm still waiting for my win

Please enlighten me: how exactly are the pre-built ships "pay-to-win"?

Not having to wait for 3 months to buy a Py2 for credits is an ingame benefit. Lower rebuy cost of the pre-built ship is another one. That's the 'win' part, you already have it, no need to wait for it.

You can buy it with real currency: that's the 'pay' part.

I was happy to help, hope yall are no longer confused.

 

[DoG Duggy]

Please enlighten me: how exactly are the pre-built ships "pay-to-win"?

i can answer this!
i Bought the cheaper P2 the day they were released. (it is very beautiful and photogenic)
i then outfitted my P2 for exploration and took off into the black on a journey of exobio $$$
since then ive made just under 1 billion credits from exobio at my vista lady onboard my fleet carrier.
if i had decided to wait until today for general release before i purchased my P2, i would in fact be roughtly 1 billion credits poorer and also 15 thousand ly further back than i am today. and i would certainly not have this fantastic screenshot.

see pay to win! i totally couldnt have done anything this all those weeks ago. like totally not, honestly.

 

[AceMcKool]

Not having to wait for 3 months to buy a Py2 for credits is an ingame benefit. Lower rebuy cost of the pre-built ship is another one. That's the 'win' part, you already have it, no need to wait for it.

You can buy it with real currency: that's the 'pay' part.

I was happy to help, hope yall are no longer confused.

From the Cambridge Dictionary:

How does buying a ship 3 months in advance give you any advantage? It's not like the P2 does anything particularly special that any of the other ships in its class can't do. Oh, it handles SCO better. Oh, yes, huge advantange.

In any case, it's pay to early access, not pay to win. No one's winning anything (other than bragging rights) or gaining any significant advantage by buying a pre-built ship that will eventually be available to everyone for in-game credits.

And no, I haven't bought one nor will I ever. I'm just bothered by the wrong use of the term.

 

[AceMcKool]

i can answer this!
i Bought the cheaper P2 the day they were released. (it is very beautiful and photogenic)
i then outfitted my P2 for exploration and took off into the black on a journey of exobio $$$
since then ive made just under 1 billion credits from exobio at my vista lady onboard my fleet carrier.
if i had decided to wait until today for general release before i purchased my P2, i would in fact be roughtly 1 billion credits poorer and also 15 thousand ly further back than i am today.

Nothing that couldn't have been accomplished in a mediocrely fitted DBX.

and i would certainly not have this fantastic screenshot.

Yes, that IS a fantastic shot. I'll give you that. The DBX will never look that cool.

Still not pay to win, though.

see pay to win! i totally couldnt have done anything this all those weeks ago. like totally not, honestly.

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