COMPLETED CG Utopia Appeal for Encoded Materials

[Whiskey Galore]

I'm a Hudson power play rank 5 commander. Why would I want to contribute stuff to an enemy? I hope this CG fails.
Down with Pranav the Dictator.
Gonna flood Polevnic with manure!

 

[oztrich]

It's a while since I've done one of these... Is there a CR reward for handing in? Or just the tier reward at the end?

 

[Kimosabe_X]

Usually there is a Credits reward but unfortunately it's only displayed when the CG hits tier 1...
So nobody knows for sure right now...

 

[Fixitman]

I made it to the top 10% very quickly, so this side of the CG isn't getting much attention. I wonder if I'll get the paint job if it doesn't reach tier 1.

I really don't care about the paint job. I'm just using this as practice for the updated crash site. No big deal either way. I've already learned Tanner Settlement is a better option for encoded mat trading than Ray Gateway.

 

[Lu-v H8-2020]

Pmk2 credits accessible, T8 arx accessible, engy buff > I think most ppl the next 2 weeks are going to cope from long endured engineering grind ptsd and having fun experimenting builds with the newly accessible ships. Even if it's way better now, just imagine how busy people are currently getting for their fleet sco's in every ship, let alone unfinished "cba" builds. Slightly bad timing for a cg narrative imo
I really want that narrative though. More than the skin. WAY more.

 

[ClagMaster]

As of today, I get no payout for the encoded materials as delivered to the Tanner Settlement "Science and Research Contact". I recalled a similar CG three years ago for the Federation when they had a call for materials to setup their bitterly controversial internal surveillance network (Sponsored by Hudson), and a competing GC to support developement of encryption technology to frustrate the surveillance (Sponsored by Winters). We were paid up front, following delivery, like the a commodity CG. Not here. Is there more to the compensation schema than has been revealed? As it stands, I can earn more delivering Micro-controllers. During a commodity mission, Cracked Consumer Firmware is worth roughly 150,000 CR/unit, when taken as payment along with credits. So if I delivered 4000 units of this encode material, I should be receiving 600,000,000 Cr.

 

[St0rmFury]

As of today, I get no payout for the encoded materials as delivered to the Tanner Settlement "Science and Research Contact". I recalled a similar CG three years ago for the Federation when they had a call for materials to setup their bitterly controversial internal surveillance network (Sponsored by Hudson), and a competing GC to support developement of encryption technology to frustrate the surveillance (Sponsored by Winters). We were paid up front, following delivery, like the a commodity CG. Not here. Is there more to the compensation schema than has been revealed. As it stands, can earn more delivering Micro-controllers. During a commodity mission, Cracked Consumer Firmware is worth roughly 150,000 CR/unit, when taken as payment along with credits. So if I delivered 4000 units of this encode material, I should be receiving 600,000,000 Cr.

If memory serves me correctly, it was the same in the previous CG. You don't get paid for turning in the encoded mats.

But the cr rewards for hitting tier thresholds were increased significantly to compensate for that. We're talking billions here for the top achievers.

Many new FC owners emerged from that CG.

 

[Kimosabe_X]

Except... this CG most likely won't even reach tier 1... ;-/

 

[St0rmFury]

Except... this CG most likely won't even reach tier 1... ;-/

I wager the mats required being G3 would be a big part of the reason.

The Hudson VS Winters CG needed only G1 mats.

 

[oztrich]

I know it's not ideal to rely on CG wording, but this phrase made me think there would be a payment for handing in:

" Therefore, I ask members of the galactic community to bring specific encoded materials to Polevnic in exchange for an appropriate payment"

Appropriate payment implies it's not just the end of CG tier rewards. As has been mentioned, this seems unlikely to get to tier 1, so that would mean donating 100s or 1000s of mats for zero return. Which seems a little harsh, but I guess is "fine" from a narrative pov.

Just from a personal perspective, I haven't played a lot for around 18 months now, but the recent announcements got me interested and turning in mats for payment and checking out the increased rewards had me intrigued enough to come back to try this CG. The combination of there being zero reward for handing in, and it not being close to hitting tier 1, has dampened my enthusiasm. As I say, personal perspective, and we all have different motivators for playing or not - this was a missed opportunity for me.

 

[Northpin]

Incredible that after all the complaining about grinding and having to relog for engineering mats....
We get a CG that makes you relog at Jameson!! The most boring activity in the game!

The fact Fdev expanded Jameson to include even more scannable data (Per relog) is crazy to me


Oh well..

Crazy, isn't it?

 

[aRJay]

I know it's not ideal to rely on CG wording, but this phrase made me think there would be a payment for handing in:

" Therefore, I ask members of the galactic community to bring specific encoded materials to Polevnic in exchange for an appropriate payment"

Appropriate payment implies it's not just the end of CG tier rewards. As has been mentioned, this seems unlikely to get to tier 1, so that would mean donating 100s or 1000s of mats for zero return. Which seems a little harsh, but I guess is "fine" from a narrative pov.

Just from a personal perspective, I haven't played a lot for around 18 months now, but the recent announcements got me interested and turning in mats for payment and checking out the increased rewards had me intrigued enough to come back to try this CG. The combination of there being zero reward for handing in, and it not being close to hitting tier 1, has dampened my enthusiasm. As I say, personal perspective, and we all have different motivators for playing or not - this was a missed opportunity for me.

To be honest I believe that is referring to the rewards that unlock at Tier 1 and increase with each subsequent tier, but can see how it can be read the other way.

 

[oztrich]

To be honest I believe that is referring to the rewards that unlock at Tier 1 and increase with each subsequent tier, but can see how it can be read the other way.

Yup, I've been away a while but I remember enough about CG to not take the description at face value (or that my own interpretation will be right!).

I do find it a little amusing that if it doesn't hit tier 1 then "appropriate payment" equates to zero. Is zero appropriate for our efforts? I blame LYR subversion.

 

[aRJay]

Yup, I've been away a while but I remember enough about CG to not take the description at face value (or that my own interpretation will be right!).

I do find it a little amusing that if it doesn't hit tier 1 then "appropriate payment" equates to zero. Is zero appropriate for our efforts? I blame LYR subversion.

Back when we had competitive CGs they, eventually I think, arranged it so the losing side got the credits for the tiers achieved, they used to get nothing no matter how close it was.

The thing is it is a reward for the achievement of a Tier not a payment for the effort we put in otherwise why would the people that delivered 1 unit get the same as those that delivered 415 in the last CG.

 

[oztrich]

Back when we had competitive CGs they, eventually I think, arranged it so the losing side got the credits for the tiers achieved, they used to get nothing no matter how close it was.

The thing is it is a reward for the achievement of a Tier not a payment for the effort we put in otherwise why would the people that delivered 1 unit get the same as those that delivered 415 in the last CG.

For a trade CG you're generally getting a better trade return for the commodities in the first place, similarly for turning in scan data. So you get an elevated return from just doing the thing before any additional bonus bestowed by tier progress and your placing.

Mats are different as you don't "sell" them, but I was hopeful the wording of the CG meant it aligned more with other types of delivery CG. Potentially turning in 1000s for no return at all doesn't feel right to me. But I understand the why of it.

 

[aRJay]

For a trade CG you're generally getting a better trade return for the commodities in the first place, similarly for turning in scan data. So you get an elevated return from just doing the thing before any additional bonus bestowed by tier progress and your placing.

Mats are different as you don't "sell" them, but I was hopeful the wording of the CG meant it aligned more with other types of delivery CG. Potentially turning in 1000s for no return at all doesn't feel right to me. But I understand the why of it.

Yes but going back into fogey mode, there used to be CGs where the prices weren’t boosted as much and only the soon to be out of stock material would make a profit the others would just break even or actually lose money, yes I have hauled in CGs for a loss on the item sale.

To paraphrase the truckers. For The CG!

 

[oztrich]

Yes but going back into fogey mode, there used to be CGs where the prices weren’t boosted as much and only the soon to be out of stock material would make a profit the others would just break even or actually lose money, yes I have hauled in CGs for a loss on the item sale.

To paraphrase the truckers. For The CG!

Haha, me too!

I guess I'm a little surprised that setting up a CG to fail still happens - maybe there aren't as many people who complain from when I was last very active, but there often was a shift in the targets if hitting at least the first tier looked unlikely.

 

[ClagMaster]

If memory serves me correctly, it was the same in the previous CG. You don't get paid for turning in the encoded mats.

But the cr rewards for hitting tier thresholds were increased significantly to compensate for that. We're talking billions here for the top achievers.

Many new FC owners emerged from that CG.

Fair enough.... I guess my memory is a bit foggy on that. I think you are right come to think more of it. I do remember the Tier 1 encoded materials being handed in, and there were 3 data points, not 9 at Jameson's Crash Site, during the Federal CG a few years back.

Another reason why this CG is not doing very well is the parallel CG where commodities delivered are paid up front. With my Cutter with 672T capacity, I was doing 23.1 Million Credits per delivery doing 150 LY hauls. So far, I have earned 600 Million Credits on that CG.

 

[ClagMaster]

Crazy, isn't it?

I agree. If there were not a parallel CG for commodities that a commander could earn 23 Million Credits per delivery (Micro Controllers), there would be more participants willing to do invest more work in it. What I am going to do is replenish my encoded data and be done with it. This CG could have been better designed.

By the way, I like Frontier Developments introducing the new SCO FSDs with the same grading and engineering upgrades. The 3-6% increase in range, after engineering upgrade, is reasonable. FDev did the right thing making these new FSDs compatable with the old FSD grading and upgrades.

I found that in addition to better range for exploration and trade, the SCO is great for boosting out of orbit and putting myself out of harm's way with pirates. Turned out not to be so disappointing.

 

[kosnett]

Not sure what the creators of this CG were thinking making the completion numbers almost the same for both CGs (60 million for the cargo CG, 50 million for the mats CG).

These are encoded mats, they can be farmed only in limited number, and require you to go back and forth from mats traders, these are not micro controllers that you can just load up 792 into your cargo ship and dump at the station, rinse and repeat.

I hope the powers-that-be lower the tier and completion limits to something more realistic before the end.