Madagascar: What we got and what could be

Now that we got the sifaka the number of madagascan species reached 5, a good number to have a small zone dedicated to it and i gotta say that warms my heart.

Madagascar might not be a continent, but as the 4. Largest and one of the oldest, splitting from africa in the jurassic period, it developed its very own fauna and flora and became one of the worlds biodiversity hot spots, but dedicating actual areas in zoos to it is a rather recent developement, even if there are quite a few very common lemure species in zoos.

This is pretty well reflected in planet zoo, with us having 2 of the most common lemures from the start, adding a 3. with the first anniversary gift and now finally getting 2 more special critters in the last 2 years with the fossa and sifaka, bringing some variety into the now more then just 3 standard lemures.
This is great but also tickles my appetite.
Now that madagascan areas are possible what could be added to make them great?
Imo there are 6 animals, none of them lemures that would greatly enhance any madagascan section and give us not just some fun options but also some much needed variety for the game as a whole.

Starting of, you know me, i love ducks and theres no duck i love more then the white faced whistling duck.
And lucky me, they not only live in south america and africa, but also madagascar aswell! Being perfect for multispecies wetland aviarys (even if for the most part theyd be flying solo so far lol), tropical halls or just as general use ducks they bring a staggering amount of flexibility and usecases to the game.
I doubt that i need to explain to anyone why the combination of bird, south america and another continent is great, but to add to that they also got great synergie with our current madagsy animals, cause whats the most popular way to keep lemures? With a water moat and who fits perfectly to just vibe in that watermoat? This perfect fella here.
Combined with their general utility as a tropical wetlands bird, im certain that the white faced whistling duck would not just be a great addition for madagascar but among the best additions to the game in general.
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While the duck is more of an ambient animal, theres also a certain centerpiece that wouldnt just give madagascar its largest living animal but also a big Ticket animal to build around that also fills another major request for the game.
Who is this mystery animal you might ask?
Well simple, its the nile crocodile, africas largest croc and the largest animal native to madagascar. While im in general not the biggest fan of their inclusion over other more unique crocodilleans, this here would be their niche and imo the best argument for why the nile croc should be africas croc of choice.
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Sticking with highly requested reptiles, there are 2 exhibit animals that are in my humble opinion a genuine must for the game, those are a chameleon and a gekko. What a coincidence that madagascar has 2 of the best contenders for these roles!
For chameleons we are spoilef for choice, as madagascar is the place with the highest diversity in chameleons, but theres only one true pick with the panther chameleon, a large chameleon from tropical madagascar and a good contender for the title of most iconic chameleon. Being the second most common in zoos right after the veiled chameleon the panther would not just fit perfectly but also stand out as an easy centerpiece for any reptile or tropical house and give africa a much lacking interesting choice for a tropical exhibit that isnt a snake.
Just like chameleons, gekkos are another zoo and pettrade staple and its a shame that we have none. Madagascar bright green large day gekko is not only among the largest and most common gekkos, but also among the most beautiful with their emerald green back, torcoise belly and red markings. Compared to other popular gekkos they come with the advantage of a much larger size, being more then double the lenght of a leopard gekko. They also are a tropical species unlike the other two and again would help quite alot to make africas exhibit roster more appealing, while being a staple in all kinds of reptile collections on its own right.
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For a non reptile, theirs also a non lemure mammal that has gotten quite popular in zoos, the malagasy giant rat. It might be called a rat, but its actually the last surviving member of its own family and that just barely. Being critically endangerd with only a very small range in the wild, it is an animal activly kept alive by ex situ breeding programms, with the most successfull of these being among zoos in the united states. They themself are also quite interesting though, as a rather large nocturnal rodent that burrows, lives monogamous in pairs and moves around like a large spring hare or quokka, meaning it by now even has a suitable rig to take advantage of.
As a wonderfull addition to nocturnal and tropical houses, aswell as an interesting spin on a rodent theyd bring lots of usefull things with them even without the fact that they are from madagascar, but in that context theyd be great to fill the ground section of mixed species enclosures and add something very different to the region and the game.
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Last but not least, we got the radiated tortoise, often seen as one of the most beautiful tortoises on the planet. Coming just of the amazing spurred tortoise, i wont lie but my thirst for a small tortoise isnt quelched and these guys would do a wonderfull job on that front.
Besides being a small beautiful tortoise, they also inhabit the drier, scrubbier areas of madagascars unique thorn forests, so some representation of those would be nice to see. Id be lying if i said i got much to say about them, but smaller tortoise = profit is just that true of a statement.
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Am i just a hopeless madagascar fan?
Perhaps, but imo the "little" Island shouldnt be overlooked as it still features many generally usefull and unique animals for the game that just so happen to live there and while i wouldnt be opposed to a madagascar pack, id just like frontier to pick them more often when fitting for their more open packs if support should continue, for example the tortoise in a scrubland pack or the rat in a nocturnal pack.
 
I think the main thing is that while the 4 lemur species are nice, we really needed something other than the fossa as well. I have nothing else to add, as you pretty much covered all the animals I would mention. (Mainly the duck but y’all know me).

I really recommend looking into the Bronx Zoo’s Madagascar building, it’s awesome! I’ll mention some of the animals showed in the exhibit:
  1. Ring Tailed Mongoose
  2. Beautiful mantella frog
  3. Madagascan hissing cockroach (I cannot believe this wasn’t the cockroach species used in base game)
 
Honestly, I think if they'd thrown in Aye-aye and a big charismatic chameleon like Panther or Parson's that would have honestly felt like they'd hit the full All-Star roster at least, and anything else would have been a bonus. Indri would have been nice too, but not as essential.
 
Now that we got the sifaka the number of madagascan species reached 5, a good number to have a small zone dedicated to it and i gotta say that warms my heart.

Madagascar might not be a continent, but as the 4. Largest and one of the oldest, splitting from africa in the jurassic period, it developed its very own fauna and flora and became one of the worlds biodiversity hot spots, but dedicating actual areas in zoos to it is a rather recent developement, even if there are quite a few very common lemure species in zoos.

This is pretty well reflected in planet zoo, with us having 2 of the most common lemures from the start, adding a 3. with the first anniversary gift and now finally getting 2 more special critters in the last 2 years with the fossa and sifaka, bringing some variety into the now more then just 3 standard lemures.
This is great but also tickles my appetite.
Now that madagascan areas are possible what could be added to make them great?
Imo there are 6 animals, none of them lemures that would greatly enhance any madagascan section and give us not just some fun options but also some much needed variety for the game as a whole.

Starting of, you know me, i love ducks and theres no duck i love more then the white faced whistling duck.
And lucky me, they not only live in south america and africa, but also madagascar aswell! Being perfect for multispecies wetland aviarys (even if for the most part theyd be flying solo so far lol), tropical halls or just as general use ducks they bring a staggering amount of flexibility and usecases to the game.
I doubt that i need to explain to anyone why the combination of bird, south america and another continent is great, but to add to that they also got great synergie with our current madagsy animals, cause whats the most popular way to keep lemures? With a water moat and who fits perfectly to just vibe in that watermoat? This perfect fella here.
Combined with their general utility as a tropical wetlands bird, im certain that the white faced whistling duck would not just be a great addition for madagascar but among the best additions to the game in general.
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While the duck is more of an ambient animal, theres also a certain centerpiece that wouldnt just give madagascar its largest living animal but also a big Ticket animal to build around that also fills another major request for the game.
Who is this mystery animal you might ask?
Well simple, its the nile crocodile, africas largest croc and the largest animal native to madagascar. While im in general not the biggest fan of their inclusion over other more unique crocodilleans, this here would be their niche and imo the best argument for why the nile croc should be africas croc of choice.
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Sticking with highly requested reptiles, there are 2 exhibit animals that are in my humble opinion a genuine must for the game, those are a chameleon and a gekko. What a coincidence that madagascar has 2 of the best contenders for these roles!
For chameleons we are spoilef for choice, as madagascar is the place with the highest diversity in chameleons, but theres only one true pick with the panther chameleon, a large chameleon from tropical madagascar and a good contender for the title of most iconic chameleon. Being the second most common in zoos right after the veiled chameleon the panther would not just fit perfectly but also stand out as an easy centerpiece for any reptile or tropical house and give africa a much lacking interesting choice for a tropical exhibit that isnt a snake.
Just like chameleons, gekkos are another zoo and pettrade staple and its a shame that we have none. Madagascar bright green large day gekko is not only among the largest and most common gekkos, but also among the most beautiful with their emerald green back, torcoise belly and red markings. Compared to other popular gekkos they come with the advantage of a much larger size, being more then double the lenght of a leopard gekko. They also are a tropical species unlike the other two and again would help quite alot to make africas exhibit roster more appealing, while being a staple in all kinds of reptile collections on its own right.
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For a non reptile, theirs also a non lemure mammal that has gotten quite popular in zoos, the malagasy giant rat. It might be called a rat, but its actually the last surviving member of its own family and that just barely. Being critically endangerd with only a very small range in the wild, it is an animal activly kept alive by ex situ breeding programms, with the most successfull of these being among zoos in the united states. They themself are also quite interesting though, as a rather large nocturnal rodent that burrows, lives monogamous in pairs and moves around like a large spring hare or quokka, meaning it by now even has a suitable rig to take advantage of.
As a wonderfull addition to nocturnal and tropical houses, aswell as an interesting spin on a rodent theyd bring lots of usefull things with them even without the fact that they are from madagascar, but in that context theyd be great to fill the ground section of mixed species enclosures and add something very different to the region and the game.
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Last but not least, we got the radiated tortoise, often seen as one of the most beautiful tortoises on the planet. Coming just of the amazing spurred tortoise, i wont lie but my thirst for a small tortoise isnt quelched and these guys would do a wonderfull job on that front.
Besides being a small beautiful tortoise, they also inhabit the drier, scrubbier areas of madagascars unique thorn forests, so some representation of those would be nice to see. Id be lying if i said i got much to say about them, but smaller tortoise = profit is just that true of a statement.
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Am i just a hopeless madagascar fan?
Perhaps, but imo the "little" Island shouldnt be overlooked as it still features many generally usefull and unique animals for the game that just so happen to live there and while i wouldnt be opposed to a madagascar pack, id just like frontier to pick them more often when fitting for their more open packs if support should continue, for example the tortoise in a scrubland pack or the rat in a nocturnal pack.
Tortoise, croc, chameleon and some bird is all i need for Madagascar. The croc and the duck would be extremely usefull in general.

There are oddballs from that island that would be nice but not really essential.

For exhibits i want the hissing roach.
 
Honestly, I think if they'd thrown in Aye-aye and a big charismatic chameleon like Panther or Parson's that would have honestly felt like they'd hit the full All-Star roster at least, and anything else would have been a bonus. Indri would have been nice too, but not as essential.
Tbh thats not what the area or the game needs though.
Sure an aye aye wouldnt hurt but it wouldnt actually make it more fun or interesting to build a madagascar area as its just another lemure and has less applications in the game outside of it.
All Stars are nice and all but what madagascar needs is diversity and it luckily has a bunch of options great for the game as a whole.
If we get the whistling duck, first things first we got a duck and that alone is infenetly better for the game then another lemure, even if it is a very unique lemure

Sure more people would cheer for an aye aye then lets say the malagasy giant rat, but only one of them would add something completly unique and different, both to the area and the game.

With more lemures you dont actually add that much to the area, as you would build roughly the same habitats but just swap out the red ruffed for the crowned for example, which is still neat and cool on its own, but doesnt compare to a completly different type of animal like a small tortoise, duck or an exhibit.

A good comparison would be why the african leopard falls flat while the dik dik and spurred tortoise, two much more niche animals compared to an african allstar, thrive, even if we wouldnt allready have the amur which makes things worse for the leopard.
While on its own more popular and an all star, the leopard slots into a niche of large cat allready coverd by the lion and cheetah for africa and a bunch more across the game. Meanwhile we got nothing like the dik dik and no tortoise that isnt atleast double the size of the spurred, so they open completly new buildung and theming opportunitys that only they can offer, even if they are "just" a tortoise and a shrunken antelope.

Area design in the game tends to be much more then just putting allstars next to each other, which makes less exciting filler animals just as if not more important, especally when they add something unique.
 
Apart from exhibit animals, all I'm wanting is the radiated tortoise, nile crocodile, and aye aye. As for exhibits, I would love a chameleon, tomato frogs, day geckos, and hissing cockroaches.

I mean, don't hate me, but if Frontier wants to add the collared lemur, mongoose lemur, or blue-eyed black lemur after all the stuff I already mentioned, I wouldn't complain! If we get aviaries in PZ2 I would want birds to obviously, but as long as they are kept in zoos IRL idk what species.
 
Tbh thats not what the area or the game needs though.
Sure an aye aye wouldnt hurt but it wouldnt actually make it more fun or interesting to build a madagascar area as its just another lemure and has less applications in the game outside of it.
All Stars are nice and all but what madagascar needs is diversity and it luckily has a bunch of options great for the game as a whole.
If we get the whistling duck, first things first we got a duck and that alone is infenetly better for the game then another lemure, even if it is a very unique lemure

Sure more people would cheer for an aye aye then lets say the malagasy giant rat, but only one of them would add something completly unique and different, both to the area and the game.

With more lemures you dont actually add that much to the area, as you would build roughly the same habitats but just swap out the red ruffed for the crowned for example, which is still neat and cool on its own, but doesnt compare to a completly different type of animal like a small tortoise, duck or an exhibit.

A good comparison would be why the african leopard falls flat while the dik dik and spurred tortoise, two much more niche animals compared to an african allstar, thrive, even if we wouldnt allready have the amur which makes things worse for the leopard.
While on its own more popular and an all star, the leopard slots into a niche of large cat allready coverd by the lion and cheetah for africa and a bunch more across the game. Meanwhile we got nothing like the dik dik and no tortoise that isnt atleast double the size of the spurred, so they open completly new buildung and theming opportunitys that only they can offer, even if they are "just" a tortoise and a shrunken antelope.

Area design in the game tends to be much more then just putting allstars next to each other, which makes less exciting filler animals just as if not more important, especally when they add something unique.
I this stuff is kinda subjective ultimately - personally I'm pretty neutral on both the tortoise and the dikdik, I see their merits as choices but don't currently have any plans to use them, while I do have plans around African Leopard.

Personally and subjectively I feel Aye-ayes are visually and behaviourally distinct enough to warrant a spot - we've got 4 charismatic, colonial, flamboyant species, so a solitary weird night gremlin with unique behaviours isn't really stepping on any toes there. Which is not to say there are no other species that deserve to be there, but it's probably the one I'd pick out as one that you can't really replace with another similar related species from elsewhere in the world.
 
Hissing cockroaches are so cute and unironically such a classic zoo animal to me. They're probably my second most wanted exhibit box species behind the tuatara.

Look at this guy... silly buh
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A Malagasy giant rat would be a pretty banger oddball inclusion ngl, and obviously - like pretty much everywhere - Madagascar has loads of banger birds.

Another waterfowl species that ranges into Madagascar besides the whistling duck is the African pygmy goose, which despite its name, is a duck. While I wouldn't want them over the whistling duck (especially since they aren't nearly as common), we should be able to get both, as it's not like zoos keep one duck species lol. Especially when we could keep these two in mixed exhibits.
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Although it isn't as high a priority for me compared to these other species, I really can't say I'd be upset at getting a radiated tortoise. They'd be fun to mix with lemurs and my current local zoo has like, five different tortoise species that could feasibly be habitat animals, so I certainly don't view tortoise variety as a strange thing, especially compared to some of the other groups that have gotten way more representatives than that.
 
I desperately want the radiated tortoise and a chameleon and would selfishly enjoy more euplerids (ring tailed vontsira…), but honestly there's no upper limit on how many lemurs I'd be happy with. The aye-aye would be the most broadly well received, of course, but I’d be just as happy with slightly more mundane/"cloney" ones like the blue eyed black lemur or especially the crowned lemur. Just load them up. In a vacuum (as in, not giving extra points to the peccary for being a desperately needed SA species), the black and white rugged lemur was by far my favorite anniversary animal.
 
If we get into oddball choices for Madagascar, one I would be delighted to see is the giant coua - basically Madagascar's equivalent to a roadrunner. They both do all their hunting on foot, only flying to get to their off-ground roosts. They live in the western dry forests, in roughly the same sort of habitat as the ring-tailed lemur. The coua and roadrunner are actually quite closely related, both being members of the Cuculidae family. And there is still a single individual giant coua living at Walsrode in Germany, so they do have some captive representation.

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There is way more important representation needed but honestly I'd be happy to see a true Lemur like the crowned, black, or mongoose Lemur. Seems like a lot of mixed Madagascar exhibits tend to have at least one. Chester's mixed enclosure has the following species as an example:
  1. Ring-Tailed
  2. Red Ruffed
  3. Black-and-White Ruffed
  4. Crowned
  5. Black
They also have a separate Lemur island with another group of Ring-Tailed mixed with Red-Bellied Lemurs. And on top of that, Coquerel's Sifaka, Aye-Aye, and Aloatran Gentle Lemur in seperate enclosures!

So 9 species in total. Sorry to make this thread about lemurs but they are my favourite primate group. 🤣
 
There is way more important representation needed but honestly I'd be happy to see a true Lemur like the crowned, black, or mongoose Lemur. Seems like a lot of mixed Madagascar exhibits tend to have at least one. Chester's mixed enclosure has the following species as an example:
  1. Ring-Tailed
  2. Red Ruffed
  3. Black-and-White Ruffed
  4. Crowned
  5. Black
They also have a separate Lemur island with another group of Ring-Tailed mixed with Red-Bellied Lemurs. And on top of that, Coquerel's Sifaka, Aye-Aye, and Aloatran Gentle Lemur in seperate enclosures!

So 9 species in total. Sorry to make this thread about lemurs but they are my favourite primate group. 🤣
Well lemurs are pretty awesome especially Sifakas(wish we had a bit more variety in game), and Chester zoo has really good variety with some pretty cool enclosures, a shame I only saw 4 of them when I was there this summer
 
If we get into oddball choices for Madagascar, one I would be delighted to see is the giant coua - basically Madagascar's equivalent to a roadrunner. They both do all their hunting on foot, only flying to get to their off-ground roosts. They live in the western dry forests, in roughly the same sort of habitat as the ring-tailed lemur. The coua and roadrunner are actually quite closely related, both being members of the Cuculidae family. And there is still a single individual giant coua living at Walsrode in Germany, so they do have some captive representation.

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Oh my God, I need it 😍❤️

Have a few Species from Madagascar planned for when I want to try to get into Exhibit Animal Modding. A few of them weren't even mentioned here yet.
It's surprising that no one has mentioned a Tenrec
 
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