Aldabra / Galapagos / Spurred tortoises size

[Aramar]

I've often seen comments about the Aldabra and Galapagos tortoises being undersized in the game, but I haven't found a dedicated thread or a report in the issue tracker about this. With the arrival of the new African spurred tortoise I wanted to compare them. In real life, Galapagos is the largest tortoise in the world, followed by the Aldabra and then the spurred tortoise takes the third place. For this comparison, all the tortoises I'm using are the same genre and the same size level (100%).

Let's have a closer look at the males:

And a closer look to the females:

As we can see, in the game the Galapagos is the largest of the 3, as it should be, altough maybe in the males the difference should be bigger, so the Galapagos tortoise can be slightly undersized in the game. However, the Aldabra totortoise is clearly undersized. It should be just a bit smaller than the Galapagos, but in the case of males it's smaller than the spurred tortoise.

In conclusion, I think the Galapagos for both males and females should be enlarged a little bit, but the Aldabra tortoise for both males and females should be considerably enlarged.

What are your thoughts? I'm planning to report this on the issue tracker, but I want to her some opinions first.

 

[Fallax]

This really shows how tiny the Aldabra is, wow.

 

[ZSHplays]

The Galapagos should be larger than the Aldabra with the Spurred being much smaller than the Aldabra. In game the Spurred is the correct size, the Aldabran is too small and the Galapagos is comically too small. Post the issue tracker link on here and I'll add to it, thanks

 

[ZSHplays]

Average male Tortoise sizes (per Wikipedia)

Galapagos - Up to 1.5m (record 1.8m)
Aldabra - 1.22 m
Spurred - 0.86m

 

[Aramar]

Post the issue tracker link on here and I'll add to it, thanks

Here you have: https://issues.frontierstore.net/issue-detail/66985

Thanks!

 

[Aramar]

Frontier has confirmed several reports on the issue tracker but not the one about the tortoises despite having more contributions than the ones they confirmed. That probably means that they don't care about this problem, but if more people contribute we might get it confirmed (I think we need 5 contributions in total).

 

[Mjmannella]

I think we've just hit 5 contributions as of today. Hopefully the game hasn't been totally abandoned yet.

 

[Aramar]

Thank you all! We managed to change the status to confirmed. Now we've done all what is in our hands. Now is up to Frontier is they want to fix it or not. Fingers crossed!

 

[Leaf Productions]

I have contributed and will draw attention to this

 

[AndyZoos]

This would be a really nice change!

 

[RightWhale]

I hope they get it fixed, to be honest I found that this years Anniversary wasn’t the best. Adding on the tortoises finally being fixed would mean a lot!

 

[DrBurrito]

Thanks for bringing attention to this topic again, Aramar. Let me try to explain the cause of the issue real quick:

The cause of the issue lies in how the engine measures the models rather than the data used for measurement. The game uses straight carapace length data, which is quite accurate, but it extrapolates this to the entire animal, including the neck, head, and all. This results in a much smaller model size. They need to ensure that the current measurement data only applies to the straight carapace length on the model.

Another issue, specific to the Galapagos giant tortoise, is reversed sexual dimorphism. This is likely due to the data being entered incorrectly for males and females (the Bengal tiger has the same issue). The data itself is not problematic, but it should be swapped between the sexes.

One small detail to consider when visually comparing the three tortoise models is the age of the animals. I'm not sure how it works with the spurred tortoise, but based on my tests around launch, as well as datamined info available online, Aldabras in the game grow almost throughout their lifetime, reaching full size at around 170 years, while Galapagos tortoises stop growing at around 40 years of age. This is why having animals with 100% size genes is not sufficient on its own; you'll need to ensure that the Aldabra you choose also has good longevity and then wait for it to grow.

Previously, I mentioned somewhere that the two giant tortoises in the game are roughly the size of spurred tortoises, and the addition of the spurred tortoise confirms that this was actually a spot-on comment, lol.

 

[长鲸吟]

I have checked the model files and size data, and I may have identified the issue.

The size of the spurred tortoises is quite accurate, as their length in the game corresponds to the straight carapace length.

However, for the Aldabra and Galapagos tortoises, Frontier mistakenly used the total length (including the neck and head) instead of the straight carapace length. This results in the maximum total length of the two tortoise species, after scaling, being 1.225 meters and 1.32 meters respectively, when these should have been their straight carapace lengths!
This has caused both species to be 30% smaller than their actual maximum length in reality.

Additionally, it's worth noting that Frontier also forgot to set the size variance for the Markhor.

 

[leehonglocal]

I've often seen comments about the Aldabra and Galapagos tortoises being undersized in the game, but I haven't found a dedicated thread or a report in the issue tracker about this. With the arrival of the new African spurred tortoise I wanted to compare them. In real life, Galapagos is the largest tortoise in the world, followed by the Aldabra and then the spurred tortoise takes the third place. For this comparison, all the tortoises I'm using are the same genre and the same size level (100%).

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Let's have a closer look at the males:
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And a closer look to the females:
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As we can see, in the game the Galapagos is the largest of the 3, as it should be, altough maybe in the males the difference should be bigger, so the Galapagos tortoise can be slightly undersized in the game. However, the Aldabra totortoise is clearly undersized. It should be just a bit smaller than the Galapagos, but in the case of males it's smaller than the spurred tortoise.

In conclusion, I think the Galapagos for both males and females should be enlarged a little bit, but the Aldabra tortoise for both males and females should be considerably enlarged.

What are your thoughts? I'm planning to report this on the issue tracker, but I want to her some opinions first.

Spurred one's almost as wide as the largest tortoise species but what about heights.from head/shell to toes?

 

[PnGLINNyo]

I have checked the model files and size data, and I may have identified the issue.

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The size of the spurred tortoises is quite accurate, as their length in the game corresponds to the straight carapace length.


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However, for the Aldabra and Galapagos tortoises, Frontier mistakenly used the total length (including the neck and head) instead of the straight carapace length. This results in the maximum total length of the two tortoise species, after scaling, being 1.225 meters and 1.32 meters respectively, when these should have been their straight carapace lengths!
This has caused both species to be 30% smaller than their actual maximum length in reality.


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Additionally, it's worth noting that Frontier also forgot to set the size variance for the Markhor.

That's solid evidence
Better send it to issue tracker

 

[Narwhaler]

I have checked the model files and size data, and I may have identified the issue.

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The size of the spurred tortoises is quite accurate, as their length in the game corresponds to the straight carapace length.


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However, for the Aldabra and Galapagos tortoises, Frontier mistakenly used the total length (including the neck and head) instead of the straight carapace length. This results in the maximum total length of the two tortoise species, after scaling, being 1.225 meters and 1.32 meters respectively, when these should have been their straight carapace lengths!
This has caused both species to be 30% smaller than their actual maximum length in reality.


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Additionally, it's worth noting that Frontier also forgot to set the size variance for the Markhor.

Goats that use the goat mountain don't have size variation because the climbing animation scales with the animal and it would mess up the offsets.

 

[长鲸吟]

Goats that use the goat mountain don't have size variation because the climbing animation scales with the animal and it would mess up the offsets.

Oh, I see... That makes sense.
Thanks for clarifying!

 

[DrBurrito]

Goats that use the goat mountain don't have size variation because the climbing animation scales with the animal and it would mess up the offsets.

I wonder if AI will be a game changer in situations like these.

 

[Pteronura]

I agree with both base game tortoises requiring a resizing.

However, that might mess up excisting builds for those species as it could also enlarge their hit boxes.

Which might be why Frontier has so far not responded to this request and the similar ones for the komodo dragon and American bison.

 

[Firestar97]

I wonder if AI will be a game changer in situations like these.

Really hope they won't use that Garbage. For the Reason alone already that it will probably make Mistakes like that even more common.
I really hope that the Tortoise Sizes will be fixed. Now that we even know what exactly is going on.
The Komodo Dragon is also undersized