No Single Player Offline Mode then? [Part 2]
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I'll second that.
And the quote to which you're replying seems worthy of my friends words, which I posted on the last thread, sent to me via e-mail and pasted here with his permission:
If you are unhappy with endless news feeds like PC-Gamer " http://www.pcgamer.com/elite-dangerous-refund-policy-detailed-after-offline-support-dropped " you need to ask FD why they have not issues any refunds yet to few of those unhappy costumers.
The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.
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Did you have something constructive to say? Because I didn't understand what you meant.
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I know what procedural generation is and it's great for setting initial start conditions for a large arena - but once that has been seeded then you need to continually adjust it otherwise the whole universe will be inherently static outside of your little bubble - f.e. minecraft can procedurally generate infinite worlds - but it only simulates the area immediately surrounding the player. Again you'd need to specifically code something to 'spoof' the dynamic world for the offline mode as a separate codebase to what's being used on the servers...
Also FYI Eve did use procedural generation at the start in terms of planet/moon distributions amongst the systems (edit: and more besides). I believe I even read somewhere that the seed was '42'
To a point, yes. Minecraft does work like that. But there is no unwritten rule that says that the other components in the universe can't also be governed procedurally using different seeds as required -- for example, use a timer offset (universe epoch) to seed events and universe-wide transforms.
Did not know that about EvE...thanks for the info.
Excellent point. Although, if you have an issue with the EULA or MMOs in general, the decision is sort of already made.
+1 - You can't disagree with that.
The blind defense of Frontier and David Braben's decisions towards your fellow backers and supporters show a complete lack of empathy.
It makes things so much worse while fracturing the community at the very moment Elite needs cohesion.
But don't feel too bad. It wasn't your decisions that led to this mess. No, that responsibility belongs with David Braben, Michael, and every other Frontier officer that made a bad call; and then continued to let pride get in the way of humility.
My hope is not that Frontier fails because of this enormous blunder. My hope is that Frontier realize that their vision of an ad-supported online-only MMO might not be as popular as they thought it was and adapt accordingly.
I would still very much like to play the Elite : Dangerous that I backed almost 2 years ago. Regrettably, it is looking like that will never be possible.
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Have we truly regressed so far in society as to believe the dropping of a planned feature in BETA software warrants such a quote? This thread has reached extreme levels of melodrama only the internet is capable of creating.
It was not my intention to cause offence. I apologize.
Me I would say that I'm amazed that the people who go out of their way to attack those who wanted the offline, expect them to turn around and play with them in multiplayer without realising that for some people in the offline group it is exactly what they want to avoid...
Alas, this is the internet after all, and I've got a little too used to seeing the worst excesses of it. Even after this mess is a long and distant memory, the community has fractured and it's going to take far longer to heal -that-, along with FDEV's reputation, then the decisions made by those in charge. Ugh.
I don't think you'll find the olive branch was coming from Adept, it was coming from FDEV with the revision of the refund policy, it's a bit of crossed wires. Not being difficult here, but trying to clarify the chronology in the posts.
I mean Adept's point about being positive was directed at littleminxundr
those people who are keen not to interact with others on the interweb seem to be managing just fine with it on these forums.
Officially bored now.
Mobrule is never a good thing.
It is unfortunate that Frontier and David Braben left no alternative.
Or ya know, people could have used judgement instead of signing onto in-development software before it had all their most-desired features. But yeah, Braben and his company are 100% to blame for the people who have been playing Elite
angerous for months all of a sudden wanting a refund.I'm of a mind that 'online communities' don't exist, but are a replacement for something that's missing in a person's offline live, even more so if they defend the 'online community' to a fault. I'm not here for the faceless puppets, I'm here for the game and the fact that I'm here should not be mistaken for me welcoming the questionable opportunity to talk to other people. Far from it, really.
The people I care for are the people I can touch. Everybody else is background noise and their feelings and opinions moot; afterall I won't lose any sleep over any one of the people in this community not being here tomorrow, which as I'm aware off, is a likewise carried sentiment should the tables be turned.
Cumbaya is an idé-fixe, a shallow coating of rainbowpaint that is as devoid of character as the people that embody it, and nothing but lip-service to those that moderate it. You only see a nice community thus, because you have the power to ban. Nothing more, nothing less.
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