Game Discussions Star Citizen Discussion Thread v12

Rat Catcher

Rat Catcher
I do enjoy discussions over SC, the more a person has spent of their own money supporting the dead horse, the greater their defense of it...
I chucked the price of an AA game at Chris years ago, and not another penny will go his way, I'll leave it ot the very rich (or very foolish - maybe both) to continue polishing this piece of biowaste until it blinds with its reflection of the wasted millions...
 

Viajero

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Viajero
Intrepid3D said:
This why Evocati are or were under NDA, still are to but to a lesser extent, describing what you see is no longer under NDA, its not meant to stutter at all, its meant to be completely smooth and while there is still some stutter, see my video, for me, i don't have a top end system, 4+ year old Ryzen 5800X + RX 7800 XT (equivalent to an RTX 4070 Super and 32GB RAM) it is about 90% reduced from what it was in Evocati, its very minor now even for me, when i'm not recording its even less, almost not there at all, i have no doubt people with higher end systems probably don't get any. That spike he's showing on the graph is already way off. I'm not saying there isn't one, i'm saying this isn't proof of one.

That isn't proof of a loading screen. With a bit more work they could probably smooth it out even for my very mid level system.
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The game still needs to unload Stanton assets and systems from memory and load Pyro ones. The video essentially shows that. Smoothing out the loading to avoid hiccups is fine, but it is still loading man, 🤷‍♂️

First you say that it does not matter if it is fake, as long as it is well hidden, and I agree. Now you say it is not fake. Make up your mind dude 😋
 
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Intrepid3D

Intrepid3D
Viajero said:
The game still needs to unload Stanton assets and systems from memory and load Pyro ones. The video essentially shows that. Smoothing out the loading is fine, but it is still loading man, 🤷‍♂️

First you say that it does not matter if it is fake, as long as it is well hidden, and I agree. Now you say it is not fake. Make up your mind dude 😋
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All games do that, you round an obstructed corner in any game and its streaming in assets and textures that weren't there before you rounded the corner, in a modern AAA game if you have it installed on a spinney disk you sir will think its a loading screen, doesn't mean it is, if what you're trying to do is convince people its a loading screen you're going to have to do better than some stutter.
 

Viajero

Volunteer Moderator
Viajero
Intrepid3D said:
All games do that, you round an obstructed corner in any game and its streaming in assets and textures that weren't there before you rounded the corner, in a modern AAA game if you have it installed on a spinney disk you sir will think its a loading screen, doesn't mean it is, if what you're trying to do is convince people its a loading screen you're going to have to do better than some stutter.
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They are for the most part all exemples of loading screens, with or without mini games, better or poorly hidden, but they are all loading transitions where the player needs to wait a few moments to interact with the new content being loaded.

I think the video review above done by a great fan of the game is very clear about the loading part. The guy even recognizes it for what it is. If you don’t want to trust me, trust him.
 
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Intrepid3D

Intrepid3D
Viajero said:
They are for the most part all exemples of loading screens, with or without mini games, better or poorly hidden, but they are all loading transitions where the player needs to wait a few moments to interact with the new content being loaded. I think the video review above done by a great fan of the game is very clear about the loading part.

First you say that it does not matter if it is fake, as long as it is well hidden, and I agree. Now you say it is not fake. Again, which one is it?
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If the stutter isn't there then what?
 

Mole HD

Mole HD
Rat Catcher said:
I do enjoy discussions over SC, the more a person has spent of their own money supporting the dead horse, the greater their defense of it...
I chucked the price of an AA game at Chris years ago, and not another penny will go his way, I'll leave it ot the very rich (or very foolish - maybe both) to continue polishing this piece of biowaste until it blinds with its reflection of the wasted millions...
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There are way too many exceptions to make that a fast rule though. I've spent loads on star citizen, more than anyone else on here by several orders of magnitude...you won't ever hear me defending the dumpsterfire... or Ci~G... too vigorously ;)

I know @Surefoot and @sovapid are both concierge, neither of them really wax lyrical about the virtues of the game. @Intrepid3D is one of the original and longest serving evocati members (since 2016) but at last count, he hasn't spent anywhere near concierge level of cash in all that time... I wish I had his resolve :rolleyes:

Our friend Dan of the pic spamming is barely more than a $50 peasant backer...isn't it amazing for all of us Admiral's club supposed fans to be consistently out fan-boi'd by the peasantry?

As for opinions on the game...I trust Humbug's (Intrepid3D) views more than most...since he has and still puts way more hours into testing the game than anyone else on here, or elsewhere for that matter...he also won't leap to defend it when it's broken but simply states what he experiences at evocati level, generally without embellishment...can't get more reliable an opinion than that in my book 🤷‍♂️
 
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Mole HD

Mole HD
Rat Catcher said:
And these are what?
Apologies, the terms are mentioned often enough, but I have no idea exactly what they mean.
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Evocati are unpaid QA testers selected from amongst the backers basically. They get the initial very broken client releases to test way before it's open to anyone else and work closely with the devs during that evocati only testing period. You have to apply for and be selected as evocati, which is usually adjudged on the amount and quality of bug reports submitted via general testing before hand...they also used to be covered by signing an NDA previously but that no longer seems to be a hard enforced rule.

It's not an easy job giving up many, many hours of your spare time testing very broken client builds for no reward and very little recognition, but some folks seem to like it.

Concierge level backers are those who have spent a minimum of $1k on star citizen...there are various tiers of concierge, ranked on the amount spent in total. :)
 
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Mole HD

Mole HD
VR Golgot said:
Yeah there's no hard and fast $=belief equation. (Big spend can lead to big refunding too ;)).

Trep will read dream.txt into current functionality though, commingling the two. We've just seen that. I guess to evocati hard you've gotta believe in the path ;)
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You're making assumptions based on a few forum posts that I know aren't the case in reality...so not necessarily so. I've known Humbug for many years...discussed, tested and played SC as well as other games alongside him for fun as well. Like I said, he generally states 'what is' in his own experience without too much embellishment.

Does he like the game and support SC as a project? Sure...about the same as I do...and to the same extent will give credit to the devs where it's due. He's not nearly as jaded and cynical as I am for sure...but overall when it comes to being a backer of sc for better or worse, that's not necessarily a bad thing...except perhaps when tip-toeing around the (occasionally tiresome) persistent air of aggressive star citizen negativity on this section of the forum :)
 
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VR Golgot

VR Golgot
I dunno, I don't think it's super sceptical to suggest 4.0 needs more than 'a few more weeks' of bug fixing ;)

As realistic as Trep can be on some of the nuts and bolts, every SC patch brings a new chance to dreamcraft. In this case he's seeing a solid base (with just some kinks which need banging out), and base building hovering on the horizon. With hopes of mission cohesion on the side.

I don't think it's negative, given SC's track record, and the nature of the current bugs, to say: Woah there.

¯\(ツ)/¯

(But hell, I don't reckon it's negative to say all this same stuff will still be jank this time next year. Hangars, prisons, missions, inventories, transit, network stability etc. More just realistic ;))
 

Intrepid3D

Intrepid3D
@Mole HD thanks, good to see you :)

I have an 'it is what it is' attitude to SC, i do enjoy playing it, on and off, i have put more hours in to 4.0 than i have in a long time, despite the amount of hours i've also put in to testing it completely broken, for as hard as it may be for some people to understand i have fun playing it. its an enjoyable game to me. That's all the really matters.
Also, i haven't spent a penny on this game in years, other than the Citcon tickets. i'm still not concierge :D

Yes, i went to this years Citizencon, not necessarily for the event but to meet some of those who i have been gaming with for many years, it was great.

I talk about the game as i see it, warts and all, i posted this a few pages back, sometime its bad, its not always bad and getting better all the time.

Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=knEup-T2d00


This dark image is the only one you're getting of me :p

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Wotthe Dickens

Wotthe Dickens
It’s very easy to be looking from the corner, pointing and laughing but it’s the same with politics and most social stuff.
Personally, I enjoy some cig defence on this thread, and miss little a. It’s nice when it’s not an echo chamber and definitely more amusing.
There’s nothing wrong with the argument that ‘I enjoy it’ and oh man, it’s fun to see Golgot’s vids as contrast.
Like much in life, there’s a path in between, I don’t like the extreme positions that seem to divide us globally, when there’s much common ground in reality.
Tribalism is inherent within our species but it’s good not to dismiss others just because they are different.
 

Mole HD

Mole HD
VR Golgot said:
I dunno, I don't think it's super sceptical to suggest 4.0 needs more than 'a few more weeks' of bug fixing ;)

As realistic as Trep can be on some of the nuts and bolts, every SC patch brings a new chance to dreamcraft. In this case he's seeing a solid base (with just some kinks which need banging out), and base building hovering on the horizon. With hopes of mission cohesion on the side.

I don't think it's negative, given SC's track record, and the nature of the current bugs, to say: Woah there.

¯\(ツ)/¯

(But hell, I don't reckon it's negative to say all this same stuff will still be jank this time next year. Hangars, prisons, missions, inventories, transit, network stability etc. More just realistic ;))
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You won't find many of us longer term backers who would disagree in any way with that sentiment either...but not everything is broken...I mean, even I have a grudging respect for what's been achieved on the meshing thing overall...even if it is still busted beyond playable due to the rest of the spaghetti code mess collapsing around it.

We're also well aware of Ci~G's decade of criminal mismanagement when it comes to the PU. We don't need to read forum posts or watch Twitch streamers to remind us, for those of us who play the game, we've been able to experience the wilful neglect first hand every time we've fired the launcher up for the last 10 years.

As for the dreamcrafting, all of us who've shoved some sheckles and a fair few hours into the project from the start have all been...and still are guilty of at least a bit of wishful thinking every now and then. Humbug and I are no different in that respect.

There are lots of folk (I'm one of them) at the end of the day who've spent thousands of hours talking about and watching videos about star citizen, backers or not... then there are some folk (I'm one of them too) who've spent thousands of hours playing and testing it as well. Neither of those groups who offer their opinions freely on here are universally deserving of nothing better than a trite dismissal unless this has suddenly turned into a star citizen=bad echo chamber 🤷‍♂️
 
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Mole HD

Mole HD
Intrepid3D said:
@Mole HD thanks, good to see you :)

I have an 'it is what it is' attitude to SC, i do enjoy playing it, on and off, i have put more hours in to 4.0 than i have in a long time, despite the amount of hours i've also put in to testing it completely broken, for as hard as it may be for some people to understand i have fun playing it. its an enjoyable game to me. That's all the really matters.
Also, i haven't spent a penny on this game in years, other than the Citcon tickets. i'm still not concierge :D

Yes, i went to this years Citizencon, not necessarily for the event but to meet some of those who i have been gaming with for many years, it was great.

I talk about the game as i see it, warts and all, i posted this a few pages back, sometime its bad, its not always bad and getting better all the time.

Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=knEup-T2d00


This dark image is the only one you're getting of me :p

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Amen brother :)
 
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