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Hair today, gone tomorrow?
Nice to see the community savaging the latest noob-duping $10 'starter kits'
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I fell down the rabbit hole of an old SA poster called EightAce. A claimed Foundry 42 dev (or possibly even a whole rabbit warren of them.)
Take them as you will. But they sure did post some fun stuff
On ships being characters. And the great branch re-merge:
On demos and meshes and engines:
On mocap and animation travails:
Faking the tracker to mollify lenders & investors:
(NB the Natwest loan was a known thing at that point).
On naughty shell games:
Tales of the Oldman: (We've had these before, but they're fun)
On the worst end of the fandom in that era:
Their predictive power was a bit mixed. Their 'no SQ42 in 2016' mantra surely panned out very nicely . They also called stuff like SQ42 mop tech reveals in advance etc, and minor stuff like the departure of a community support figure. On the CIG-chaos side though they also claimed stuff like incoming forest moon demos (which apparently then fell apart), and live gravbike demos, which never came to pass. Console rumours too. (But hey, who hasn't rumoured those ).
(2015+ archive. 2017+ archive).
. They also called stuff like SQ42 mop tech reveals in advance etc, and minor stuff like the departure of a community support figure. On the CIG-chaos side though they also claimed stuff like incoming forest moon demos (which apparently then fell apart), and live gravbike demos, which never came to pass. Console rumours too. (But hey, who hasn't rumoured those ).(2015+ archive. 2017+ archive).
Take them as you will. But they sure did post some fun stuff
On ships being characters. And the great branch re-merge:
Yes. Cry3 was the wrong engine. All the ships are just skinned characters. That's why they don't feel right. At some point the code branched to make the ships work correctly. So you had two teams working on what was effectively different code. One on fps one on ship combat.
When they attempted to integrate one back into the other guess what happened. You can see it every time a ship goes mental and spins off through the world or a character mesh snaps into a bind pose but the locator is in a different world space. At this stage this is a collosal screw up and they just don't know how to fix it properly
Star Citizen: Big MoMA's House
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On demos and meshes and engines:
Initially when Chris pitched all this he got some space ship meshes and then had a small team re texture and topologise them to look cool. he then bought an off the shelf engine (At the time a seat of the cry engine cost a small fortune for full spec) Then he produced some very brief flashes of those ships moving around with no levels of detail in them, spergs came in their pants. The cry engine is designed to move character models around the environment to this day that is why the ships themselves feel like Characters and not ships.
He then interspersed lots of pre rendered footage and marketing with absolutely no consideration for things like vert counts, texture budgets, animation ,joints VFX etc etc.
Very early on in development it was realized that cry engine was not the way to go ; so what happened. Get a more suitable engine? Try and use something like Unity or UR4? No .........
His minions had obviously failed the Stimporer so he simply pillaged Crytech. When those guys came on board they were ordered to make everything work properly to realize the vision. Then came the FPS dream , the Star marine that never really existed and annoys him so much. At this point the brains he had stolen from Crytech had finally got a smooth workflow and decent toolchain going for a modified Cry engine. The Stimporer meanwhile had passed the Star marine game to the Ilfonic guys who were using early iteration of the modified Cryengine. When the two things were expected to seamlessly slot together guess what happened. The existing Cryengine worked as intended with the FPS, the modified one that was and still is a WIP didn't work with the submitted stuff retrospectively.
Thats when the Stimporer lost his temper. Add to that the completely broken animation system and the none existent anchor to a spawn point system and voila !! Best damn space sim ever with better than COD or battlefront FPS elements.
To answer your question look at Angels fall first $12 on steam and they have pretty much ripped off any half decent UI off SC. At this point if they were to optimize all the existing assets and start again , with the original pitch using the UR4 engine they could pull off SOME of what was promised ... Remember Chris is trying to make heavy rain in space with seamless No mans sky vehicle access and 3 movies worth of his visionary sci fi story telling
Star Citizen: Big MoMA's House
On mocap and animation travails:
well, lets start with a skeleton and a base mesh with 1200000 polys in it. Now shoot some mocap data.
Now realize that there is no way on god's green earth that this is going to support more than 3 characters on screen at any one time. (Add to the fact these meshes have been redesigned at least 5 times so the topology is now different)
Now realize that you have to rebuild the mesh, reskin the character and knock out some joints along the way.
Now realize that all that data that you shot at enormous expense is flipping useless.
Star Citizen: Big MoMA's House
Faking the tracker to mollify lenders & investors:
Well let's say hypothetically that they did have some cash. Some cash from other sources that the punters don't know about. Now let's say they want to keep the backers sweet AND the remaining investors and people like the Nat West who they borrowed 8 million quid off happy. It's a simple task to create an algorithm to show whatever figures you want in an online graph where no one is any the wiser of the real revenue stream. .... but what do I know I got the boot when they bought the coffee machine and the massage chairs ..They didn't need me anymore
Star Citizen: Big MoMA's House
(NB the Natwest loan was a known thing at that point).
On naughty shell games:
I have mentioned on here how it works.
Its not a con so much as unsavory money management.
All the studios have key personnel close to Croberts
They have share holdings.
CIG buys this share holding for an undisclosed sum and his nearest and dearest get rich while the dev staff further down the food chain get dirisory bonuses far from what was promised.
Meanwhile before the money gets used to buy out Chri's pals, Simon takes out a loan against the sudden large influx of cash before that cash goes into various private and quite legitimate bank accounts.
I should imagine the likes of ortwin,Erin, Tony Z, Sandi and probably EP at some point have or have had significant holdings in one of the many companies just waiting for whatever money CIG buys them out at.... Of course this figure is decided by.... Yes you guessed it.
If Derek can find evidence of this then.....game over man, game over
Star Citizen: Big MoMA's House
Do not be distracted by this nonsense
Do not be distracted by the hilarious gifs of the broken game that they are now making a New TV show out of to show the horde they are working on fixing the game.
Instead look behind door number three, where the facts that:
3 directors of CIG Manchester (In the heart of Wilmslow Cheshire) have public share holdings in a company that has just had 15 million dollars shipped into it.
One is a Roberts the other a lifelong childhood friend and the other an ex prominent member of staff at Gizmondo. Not to mention the whole thing has been actioned by the new CFO another childhood friend and ex CFO of Gizmondo Europe. Its all right there in black and white.
There is an Astin martin garage very close to the office i will be watching the clientele closely .........
Star Citizen: Big MoMA's House
Tales of the Oldman: (We've had these before, but they're fun
)Purely hypothetical of course and totally NOT true in any way .
But imagine if Gary Parpman was promised a royalty based on his performance , imagine that he took a slight pay cut for this . Imagine he signed a specific deal for the use of his likeness.
Now imagine that somehow CIG were deemed to have used his image inappropriately. Say like releasing pre-production mocap set ups and unauthored textures of his face etc . Now let’s pretend that CIG have slipped ever so slightly behind with sq42 and those royalties seem less and less likely, even so far as Mr Parpmans original contract clearly specified a date that has now sailed past . Let’s say that Mr Parpman has called his agent ....
Now lets check if Mr Parpmans agent is the same one he had when filming Sq42
Like I said, just a hypotheseis from a low level wig technician that once walked past the LA office
Star Citizen: Death of a Space Thread?
On the worst end of the fandom in that era:
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Do these fools not know? AAA pre-orders take at least 15 years.
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Big Issue: Ships Bought 12 Years Ago Still Not Launched in Game - Star Citizen Spectrum
I've compiled a list of ships we purchased that still haven't been launched in-game, along with how long ago they started selling: Merchantman: 12 years Orion: 12 years Idris P: 12 years Crucible:...
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Do these fools not know? AAA pre-orders take at least 15 years.
Big Issue: Ships Bought 12 Years Ago Still Not Launched in Game - Star Citizen Spectrum
I've compiled a list of ships we purchased that still haven't been launched in-game, along with how long ago they started selling: Merchantman: 12 years Orion: 12 years Idris P: 12 years Crucible:...
Let's take a moment to appreciate the fact that people who paid for these ships in 2014 made it possible to kickstart the entire thing and yet, CI keeps piling new ships to continue the cash grab at an unprecedented scale.
Even the most evil game publisher would do no such thing.
Given this backdrop:
I see ongoing trends in this latest departure after ~1yr...
(And also trauma bonding in the dev list. With an expectation that a few more of the 1-2yr tenure ones will leave within the year)
The Senior Lead there slipped away in August. Only just updated.
Definitely something odd going on in those departments.
(In lieu of more info I'm guessing it's due to increased proximity to wavy hands, as SQ42 intensifies
I see ongoing trends in this latest departure after ~1yr...
(And also trauma bonding in the dev list. With an expectation that a few more of the 1-2yr tenure ones will leave within the year
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If I were CI, I would create a Server Mesher profession and somehow weave it into the lore nonsense they already have. Instead of treating double doors and disappearing spaceships as bugs, consider them a part of the game world that is nearing a cataclysmic fracture of spacetime.
They could even sell another career pack?
They could even sell another career pack?
Yet another off-topic post...quelle surprise
Just had the telecom guys dig up my front garden to install my full fibre connection yesterday....1.6Gbps of t'interwebs full fat nonsense now. I must admit, downloading games in minutes rather than hours is a nice novelty
Download Star Citizen in weeks, not months!
Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/7519xv/now_yes_weeks_not_months/
I live in a small village opposite a 6th century church. Unfortunately for me the powers that be think it is still the 6th century here, so I can expect to wait forever to download anything.Yet another off-topic post...quelle surprise
Just had the telecom guys dig up my front garden to install my full fibre connection yesterday....1.6Gbps of t'interwebs full fat nonsense now. I must admit, downloading games in minutes rather than hours is a nice novelty
I suppose if I go ask the dead monks, they may be able to help, who knows.
“Whatte be thas fulle fatte broade bande ye doe spake off? Doe we gett to see yonge laydies whit their vestes offe?”
A daily prayer to St. Downloadus should help.
Yet another off-topic post...quelle surprise
Just had the telecom guys dig up my front garden to install my full fibre connection yesterday....1.6Gbps of t'interwebs full fat nonsense now. I must admit, downloading games in minutes rather than hours is a nice novelty
You sat there on a remote island and can get 1.6Gig, and here I am with my provider getting 50Mbs
10 years ago I was on 1.2Mbps down and less than 500Kbps up...then came the TV white space crowd that gave me 10Mbps...then Badger with his Norsenet 5G mobile broadband service giving 120Mbps down and 40 Up (which I've kept as a backup since it's free). The island
Just sometimes, living on a small rock in the north sea can have it's benefits
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Found a blast from the past on my drive. Aged like fine milk.
