Question about mining

[lysan]

So getting back in the black and mining my own business, however things is not as i recall them?
The pulse wave will tell me if the there are asteroids with a high yield, however not what it is, and for that I need a prospect limpet, so far so good.

Observations: The pulse wave is only for deep core mining, not laser mining as there are many asteroids that doesn't indicate anything that will give a high yield of whatever.
Can you adjust the pulse wave scanner to a specific material? How do you laser mine and find the right asteroids to mine or is it just trying and see what they give?

 

[PilotB]

You basically just load up with limpets find a hotspot and prospect everything while trying to fly in roughly a single direction to avoid looping back to mined rocks.

 

[[VR] Mad Mike]

you need to use prospectors to tell you the contents of an asteroid.

1st off scan the ring with your detailed surface scanner. do this until you find a planetary ring which is pristine and has a hotspot in the material you want (metallic ring for platinum which is one of the popular ones)

once you have the ring you want and you have scanned the ring and located a hotspot fly down the the centre of the hotspot. then i personally target the planet the ring is orbitting so i have a frame of reference.... then fire off a prospector. i personally mine anything which has 20% or greater of platinum, palladium, gold, silver, osmium samarium or panite and set my mining refinery to discard anything else.

once depleated i then move on. i think i have around 12 active collector limpets running along with 3 class 2 medium lasers with my T10

i also have a subsurface mining tool and an abraision blaster for when i happen to spot those.

i dont personally bother mining cores as that would need a different build and a more agile ship.

 

[lysan]

Ok great I'm on the right track then.

 

[aRJay]

So getting back in the black and mining my own business, however things is not as i recall them?
The pulse wave will tell me if the there are asteroids with a high yield, however not what it is, and for that I need a prospect limpet, so far so good.

Observations: The pulse wave is only for deep core mining, not laser mining as there are many asteroids that doesn't indicate anything that will give a high yield of whatever.
Can you adjust the pulse wave scanner to a specific material?

No.

How do you laser mine and find the right asteroids to mine or is it just trying and see what they give?

If you are short of limpets you can zap the rock and see what fragments you get but most use a prospector limpet to see what is there and, if they use the A rated one, boost yields from the rock.

My technique for laser mining is to pick a hot spot as described in a previous post but then drop in at the edge using the hot spot itself as the target lock to ensure I don’t end up flying in circles.

 

[ꝁestrel]

The pulse wave is only for deep core mining

It's not only for core mining. Not all the asteroids it highlights have cores. Some will have surface and sub-surface deposits.

Many laser mining ships don't need to equip every hardpoint with a mining laser. You can use those unused hardpoints for an abrasian blaster and sub-surface displacement missile launcher. That way even if you're laser mining you can pick up some juicy surface/sub-surface deposits along the way.

 

[SlickPBW]

True. Although it’s common practice in normal discussions to lump all the other tools except mining lasers into the “core mining” category because they all came out together when core mining was added to the game.

 

[Thinking]

musisz skorzystać z pomocy poszukiwaczy, aby dowiedzieć się, co kryje się w asteroidzie.

Najpierw zeskanuj pierścień za pomocą szczegółowego skanera powierzchni. Rób to tak długo, aż znajdziesz pierścień planetarny, który jest nieskazitelny i ma punkt zapalny w materiale, którego szukasz (pierścień metalowy dla platyny, która jest jedną z popularnych)

gdy już masz pierścień, którego chcesz, zeskanowałeś pierścień i zlokalizowałeś punkt aktywny, leć wzdłuż jego środka. Następnie ja osobiście wybieram planetę, wokół której krąży pierścień, aby mieć układ odniesienia... a następnie wysyłam poszukiwacza. Osobiście wydobywam wszystko, co zawiera 20% lub więcej platyny, palladu, złota, srebra, osmu, samaru lub panitu i ustawiam moją rafinerię górniczą tak, aby wyrzucała wszystko inne.

po wyczerpaniu ruszam dalej. Myślę, że mam około 12 aktywnych kolekcjonerskich limpetów, które działają wraz z 3 średnimi laserami klasy 2 z moim T10

Posiadam również urządzenie do wydobywania materiałów podziemnych i śrutownicę, na wypadek gdybym je przypadkiem znalazł.

Osobiście nie zawracam sobie głowy wydobywaniem rdzeni, ponieważ wymagałoby to innej konstrukcji i bardziej zwrotnego statku.

OjejOh there is another ship, I have a T9 to mine cores.... Here you have to sweat a little and plan after but it goes to do

 

[sidereal6]

pick a hot spot as described in a previous post but then drop in at the edge using the hot spot itself as the target lock

Doesn’t the prevalence of the hotspot mineral vary with distance? What I mean is, won’t you find the most of the mineral at the center of the hotspot and the least at the edge?

 

[Stealthie]

Many laser mining ships don't need to equip every hardpoint with a mining laser. You can use those unused hardpoints for an abrasian blaster and sub-surface displacement missile launcher. That way even if you're laser mining you can pick up some juicy surface/sub-surface deposits along the way.

Probably a literal waste of time, I'm afraid.

If you're laser-mining, you're probably flying a T9, T10, Corvette or Cutter and, in any of those ships, the time it takes to mine surface/sub-surface deposits would be better spent simply moving on and continuing to laser-mine.

Course, if you're flying something like a Python or Krait, and just doing a bit of mining for the jollies, fit all the toys and do whatever puts a smile on your face.

Always makes me cringe when I see people saying they have something like a Cutter or T10 built for every type of mining.
I'm sure we all tried it when nu-mining first arrived but it's simply not sensible to try and manoeuvre something like a Corvette or Cutter (let alone a T9/T10) around a 'roid, place seizmic charges and mine SDs/SSDs.
I mean, it's possible, in the same way it's possible to eat soup with a fork, but it's also about as enjoyable too.

If you're going laser-mining, go in a big ship fitted with mining lasers... and go laser-mining.
If you want to do any other kind of mining, go in an agile medium ship, fit it with whatever toys you want and do whatever kind of mining takes your fancy.

 

[aardappelianen]

my t9 has a an abrassion blaster and a surface missile just because its fun.
its sad how the new mining doesnt mesh with the old mining.
the pulsewave scanner could have been a real skill thing with signals just like the srv's scanner that you could learn to identify and save me some prospectors, but no it just makes the new roids glow.

 

[[VR] Mad Mike]

my t9 has a an abrassion blaster and a surface missile just because its fun.
its sad how the new mining doesnt mesh with the old mining.
the pulsewave scanner could have been a real skill thing with signals just like the srv's scanner that you could learn to identify and save me some prospectors, but no it just makes the new roids glow.

i agree...... imo the fix isnt even conceptually at least that difficult to fix. we could have a mining SLF which could be capable of planting charges and maybe even an abraision blaster or sub surface missile fitted

 

[Stealthie]

its sad how the new mining doesnt mesh with the old mining.
the pulsewave scanner could have been a real skill thing with signals just like the srv's scanner that you could learn to identify and save me some prospectors, but no it just makes the new roids glow.

Yep.

Let's face it, we all like bolting toys to our ships so it wouldve been nice to have a reason to fit a PWA to our laser-mining ships.

I guess the problem is that you wouldn't want to create a module that renders Prospectors entirely obsolete so you wouldn't want something that you could simply point at a 'roid and it'd tell you what it was.
I'm thinking, perhaps, they could have made the PWA so it still causes 'roids to glow but maybe it could have glowed different colours to signify different ores and different brighnesses to indicate yield?

Ideally, it would have been nice if we could "tune" the PWA in a similar way to how we tune the system scanner.
If you were looking for, say, Platinum you'd be able to use Prospectors to find a Platinum-rich 'roid and then, before you mine it, you'd be able to ping the PWA and adjust it tp "tune" it so it gives the brightest response at that setting.
After that, you'd know that other 'roids that glow the same colour and brightness were probably also Platinum-rich 'roids.

 

[aRJay]

Doesn’t the prevalence of the hotspot mineral vary with distance? What I mean is, won’t you find the most of the mineral at the center of the hotspot and the least at the edge?

Possibly, but actually I rarely hit the very edge of the hotspot and my hit rate should improve the nearer I get to the middle leading to the pleasant illusion that I am getting better as I go on whereas the other way leads to the depressing realty that things always get worse.

 

[DjVortex]

The pulse wave will tell me if the there are asteroids with a high yield, however not what it is, and for that I need a prospect limpet, so far so good.

Yeah, you don't need the pulse wave at all if you are not core-mining. (While you can obviously laser-mine and core-mine at the same time, it might be more time-efficient to only do one of them and, thus, have a ship dedicated to one or the other.)

Note that if you are laser-mining and don't really care to check in advance what the asteroid contains it's still a good idea to probe it with a prospector limpet because that increased the laser-mining yield (ie. you get more from the asteroid).

 

[sidereal6]

you don't need the pulse wave at all if you are not core-mining.

I use it to get range info while laser mining. I do a ping before firing a prospector to check that the rock isn’t too far away.

 

[aRJay]

I use it to get range info while laser mining. I do a ping before firing a prospector to check that the rock isn’t too far away.

Interesting idea.

I just accelerate after the prospector to keep it in range of my ship as the only way it expires is by me cancelling/replacing its link or it getting out of range.

 

[mtfatboy3006]

Probably a literal waste of time, I'm afraid.

If you're laser-mining, you're probably flying a T9, T10, Corvette or Cutter and, in any of those ships, the time it takes to mine surface/sub-surface deposits would be better spent simply moving on and continuing to laser-mine.

Course, if you're flying something like a Python or Krait, and just doing a bit of mining for the jollies, fit all the toys and do whatever puts a smile on your face.

Always makes me cringe when I see people saying they have something like a Cutter or T10 built for every type of mining.
I'm sure we all tried it when nu-mining first arrived but it's simply not sensible to try and manoeuvre something like a Corvette or Cutter (let alone a T9/T10) around a 'roid, place seizmic charges and mine SDs/SSDs.
I mean, it's possible, in the same way it's possible to eat soup with a fork, but it's also about as enjoyable too.

If you're going laser-mining, go in a big ship fitted with mining lasers... and go laser-mining.
If you want to do any other kind of mining, go in an agile medium ship, fit it with whatever toys you want and do whatever kind of mining takes your fancy.

Last time I went out, subsurface mining was faster than it used to be. Maybe I just got randomly, weirdly lucky, but asteroids were rotating slower, and deposits were consistently yielding two fragments per blast and clearing out in half the time. A single subsurface deposit can yield more material than a full asteroid laser-mined, so taking the time to clear out the sub-surface deposits at a single location on a single prospector limpet can be worthwhile, and breaks up monotony.

 

[Stealthie]

Last time I went out, subsurface mining was faster than it used to be. Maybe I just got randomly, weirdly lucky, but asteroids were rotating slower, and deposits were consistently yielding two fragments per blast and clearing out in half the time. A single subsurface deposit can yield more material than a full asteroid laser-mined, so taking the time to clear out the sub-surface deposits at a single location on a single prospector limpet can be worthwhile, and breaks up monotony.

That's fair enough but the point is, if you are going to do that it's probably more enjoyable to do it in a Krait or Python.

Obviously, mining doesn't have to be all about doing it as efficiently as possible but, in that case, you might as well build, say, a Krait that's optimised for DC mining, bung a couple of mining lasers on it as well and then use it as a mining all-rounder, collecting 128t of ore and then hopping back to your FC to dump it instead of plodding along, hoovering up 500-odd tonnes at a time.
That'll be less laborious than forcing a Cutter to orbit 'roids so you can fire off SSD missiles etc.

And it'll give you an excuse to buy/build another ship.


Reminds me of the early days of nu-mining, when every abrasion blaster generated it's own chunks.
In those days, the mining ship of choice was the Fed' Gunship cos, armed with 6x abrasion blasters and a seizmic launcher, you could earn billions by mining Painite for a couple of hours.

 

[mtfatboy3006]

That's fair enough but the point is, if you are going to do that it's probably more enjoyable to do it in a Krait or Python.

Nah, I only mine large. Beluga or Cutter, depending on my objectives and my mood. But whether a rock is worth the time in my book is more dependent on how close it is and whether I already have limpets deployed than whether it has ideal content. If my limpets have expired, I might look around for something truly worthwhile before deploying collectors again. If I have limpets deployed, I'm going to squeeze any rock with juice I prospect, and use all the gizmos to do it--laser, blaster, missile, doesn't matter. Flying around looking for the perfect asteroid while collector limpets are idly expiring is the only real "wasted" time when mining, IMO. Big ships don't move on all that quickly. I see the rock in front of me as a far more efficient target than the one I haven't found yet. I milk it dry.