Ah, so it's not only the racks that are special, but the slots too? So normal cargo racks won't fit into the special slots on the Clipper? (Not that anyone would want to, but they might be the only ones available at a particular outfitting seller).
Panther Clipper with Magical Cargo Racks?
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Well, IIRC they did hint that the new racks might become available for other ships. But that raises some questions.
Obviously not ALL other ships, as that would erase distinctions between dedicated freighters and multirole ships. So they'll never fit in a Cutter, Anaconda, Python, Corsair etc.
If they'll fit in the existing T-series ships... how? These ships don't have the reserved slots that the Panther has. And existing slots can't be turned into reserved slots, because there will be ships out there that already have non-cargo modules in those slots. So will they fit in unrestricted slots in the T-series ships? And does this also mean that they'll fit in the Panther's unrestricted slots too?
Whereas if only as-yet- unreleased ships will have these restricted slots... why do we need more freighters anyhow, after the Panther? We still have the T-series ships, we don't need smaller freighters.
Obviously not ALL other ships, as that would erase distinctions between dedicated freighters and multirole ships. So they'll never fit in a Cutter, Anaconda, Python, Corsair etc.
If they'll fit in the existing T-series ships... how? These ships don't have the reserved slots that the Panther has. And existing slots can't be turned into reserved slots, because there will be ships out there that already have non-cargo modules in those slots. So will they fit in unrestricted slots in the T-series ships? And does this also mean that they'll fit in the Panther's unrestricted slots too?
Whereas if only as-yet- unreleased ships will have these restricted slots... why do we need more freighters anyhow, after the Panther? We still have the T-series ships, we don't need smaller freighters.
I'm pretty sure regular Cargo modules will fit in those slots too, though other than a few extreme edge-case scenarios I can't think of a reason why you wouldn't just fit the +50% version instead.
You raise a good point about existing build compatibility, so I doubt very much they'll retro-fit them into the older ships.
That depends on if they're adding a new slot or changing an existing slot. If they're adding a cargo/fuel only slot I'd love to see them add one to the combat ships. It wouldn't increase their combat effectiveness but it'd help their utility out. There's quite a few ships that could get a new slot but far fewer that'd be suitable if they altered an existing slot. A combined approach might be possible with some ships gaining a whole new slot and others like the T9 getting an existing slot altered.
rootsrat
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There 2 new things added:
Special Cargo Slots (for the lack of official name) and Optimised Cargo Racks.
You can only put these modules in SCS:
- Cargo Racks
- Fuel Tanks
- Optimised Cargo Racks
Yes, but can you only put the Special New Enhanced Cargo racks in them? Not "normal" racks?
rootsrat
Volunteer Moderator
No, as my post says - and as per FDEV
You can only put these modules in SCS:
- Cargo Racks
- Fuel Tanks
- Optimised Cargo Racks
Why would you put standard CR's in there if they can take the OCR, I don't know
Maybe the actual question was:No, as my post says - and as per FDEV
You can only put these modules in SCS:
- Cargo Racks
- Fuel Tanks
- Optimised Cargo Racks
Why would you put standard CR's in there if they can take the OCR, I don't know
Will we be able to put Optimised Cargo Racks in regular/old module slots?
My assumption is no (and it hadn't even occurred to me until I read it here), but Frontier haven't been clear on that. Maybe because they didn't think of that question either.
Same reason you sometimes have smaller cargo racks than a slot can take - as I said, because outfitting doesn't sell the same stuff everywhere.Why would you put standard CR's in there if they can take the OCR, I don't know
Also most ships when bought have a size smaller rack in the slot than it can take.
Introducing a new type of rack surely made it occur to Cutter pilots. Go beyond 792 tons or whatever it is for a Cutter.I think you misunderstood the question.
Will we be able to put Optimised Cargo Racks in regular/old module slots?
My assumption is no (and it hadn't even occurred to me until I read it here), but Frontier haven't been clear on that. Maybe because they didn't think of that question either.
It's not like every military module that's pre-engineered or "special" can only go in Military slots.
All pretty obvious questions.
During Frontier Unlocked, it was stated explicitly not; Optimised cargo must go into Storage module slots, of which only the Panther will have any for the moment!
Less clear was exactly whether it has classes 8 and 7 as extra storage modules or if its stated optional modules included the storage modules; the former would give it a disproportionate 1622 T maximum, although more likely is the latter with 1238 T maximum, aligning with the 50%-more-cargo claim.
rootsrat
Volunteer Moderator
No, OCR only fit into the new special slots. They confirmed that on the live stream.
consult the ghost of Gary Gygax.I'm a firm believer in the idea that the more exceptions you make to your games rules the more crappy your game rules were in the first place.
Replicators and holodecks.
Probably turning in his grave with how DnD is currently.consult the ghost of Gary Gygax.
Mind you, it was thought that the Monk class was OP and progression was not played correctly. And iirc, the monk class dropped?
Just to remind people, we do already have different capacities of cargo racks in the same size.
We have the 1E corrosion-resistant cargo rack, with a capacity of 1t, and also the 1F* CR cargo rack, with a capacity of 2t.
Seems like, it'd be fairly straightforward for FDev to create 7/8F cargo racks and then restrict their fitment to the PC... for the moment.
*slightly odd that the 1F cargo rack is superior to the 1E, reversing the standard convention where higher letters (usually) indicate less usefulness.
We have the 1E corrosion-resistant cargo rack, with a capacity of 1t, and also the 1F* CR cargo rack, with a capacity of 2t.
Seems like, it'd be fairly straightforward for FDev to create 7/8F cargo racks and then restrict their fitment to the PC... for the moment.
*slightly odd that the 1F cargo rack is superior to the 1E, reversing the standard convention where higher letters (usually) indicate less usefulness.
Robert Maynard
Volunteer Moderator
Has it been confirmed that the special cargo/fuel slots won't be able to accommodate normal size modules of any type? The way I interpreted the announcement was that there are 2x size 7 + 2x size 8 slots, (and from what others have indicated later) only one of each is a special slot - I didn't hear anything that indicated that the special slots would only be able to take existing cargo racks and fuel tanks and new optimised versions of same.No, as my post says - and as per FDEV
You can only put these modules in SCS:
- Cargo Racks
- Fuel Tanks
- Optimised Cargo Racks
Why would you put standard CR's in there if they can take the OCR, I don't know
I don’t think it has been confirmed but how I heard what was said was that the slots would be restricted to cargo or fuel in the manner of military slots or the deleted passenger slots, the new super up modules would only fit in these ‘storage’ slots.
Robert Maynard
Volunteer Moderator
Very likely to restrict the number of slots available for modules other than fuel tanks and cargo racks.