DLC21 Speculation

[Mjmannella]

May I Point Out That If All Of JWE2's Roster Was In The Launch JWE3.

I think you mean JWE1's roster mostly being in JWE2. An even then, that doesn't tell us why Huayangosaurus wasn't in the base game.

The Minimum Amount Of New Models Is 107 Assuming Both Hybrids And Mini Species (Compsognathus, Oviraptor, Lystrosaurus, Jeholopterus, Moros, Segisaurus and Microceratus) Don't Have Babies. That Is Without Sexual Dimorphism And New Species.

The prevailing idea is that it's the 7 hybrids that won't be able to breed.

I Think Holding A Few Back To Come Back At A Later Date Is Fine.

If they're added for free, sure. But don't expect it.

We Also Don't Know If They Are Going To Resell All Of The Species, One Data Point Is Not Enough To Know How They Will Handle The Missing Roster.

The 2 deluxe packs and JWE2's Secret Species Pack are enough datapoints to confirm that Frontier can and will re-sell old species without much pushback. Anything more optimistic is turning a blind eye to the reality of JWE's situation.

 

[NachoB]

What.

I do. First off i wouldn't put an osprey in a Forest pack when they are better known to be a piscivorous bird that lives close to bodies of water, specially in coastal areas but is also very wodespread close to human populations. Not exactly an example of a Forest dwelling creature. Plus is a flying bird why would it be in a pack for PZ1 as an habitat animal? There isn't even a system in the game to support that. And we haven't got any bird in the WTE why the osprey out of all things? (Also we haven't got a scenery pack for the past 2 years and they are clearly not coming back)

Second, i don't care about pretty much of any of the other species except for maybe the elk and even then is not a high priority to me. The bear can stay because i think is the perfect face for a forest pack (second best would be something like a red squirrel maybe) but it still would be a pretty boring addition for me.

Now turn this into an animal pack and both elk and bear are fine by me, but give me more interesting animals and variety. FOREST is a pretty broad term and there lots of different kind of forests so a huge load of possibilities for such a pack concept, including tropical rainforest species that are actually requested like... Idk... Coatis???

 

[Frogstrich]

I think you mean JWE1's roster mostly being in JWE2. An even then, that doesn't tell us why Huayangosaurus wasn't in the base game.

No. I mean If JWE3 Was To Have All Of JWE2's Roster.

 

[Mjmannella]

No. I mean If JWE3 Was To Have All Of JWE2's Roster.

It won't because we know the base game roster is only 82, not sure what the point of the thought exercise is.

 

[Milurian]

Again, blanket changes like those are universal. That means there's nothing special that warrants a species to be re-sold. There was nothing that justified the premium price for Huayangosaurus in JWE2 when every other JWE1 species got exactly the same changes. There is still nothing that justifies the Concavenator and Thanatosdrakon being re-sold at a premium price when species from the previous 2 games are getting the same changes.


Cool, you gave my car a new engine but you then took out the radio only to try and sell it to me again but with some polish. That's how I feel about what JWE3 is doing.

Correct, I refuse to compromise in this circumstance because I care about having a diverse roster and not re-buying things I already purchased; I won't lift my foot up just to get half-disrespected as a consumer in the name of meeting a middle-ground. Those are my standards and I hold them high for a reason; I expect merit and quality decision-making when I buy games, and I won't endorse blatantly slimy practices like what's happened with JWE3.

They are both universal and not at the same time its not simply a switch you can activate that upgrades all of the animals at the same time each individual animal would require significant effort to upgrade. Nothing inherently warrants any particular species being left behind but again you inability to think critically about anything stops you from seeing that its not about individual species but the workload associated with making hundreds of species. When you have 6 months and doing all the upgrades takes 7 some species have to not make it or if the game is going to generate 10million but it will cost 11million to make all those upgrades its not viable.

Thats just a strawman argument you cannot compare someone upgrading your car with the development of a new game.
Firstly a new game is something new, you are not actively stopped from using the first so it is in no way to comparable to having the same item manipulated. It also is not comparable in the sense that your suggesting they are actively sabotaging the sequel by removing the animals which is not even close to what is happening they are making something from scratch and dont have the time or money to reach all the animals. Unlike the radio no one is actively looking at a fully upgraded concaventor and saying cut this out for later they are looking at the resources they have available and are saying we cannot achieve this yet.

Proudly claiming you cannot view something with nuance is a not a good thing if you seriously think sacrificing the quality of an animal never justifies lowering the species count then why did you even move on from the zoo tycoon games.

 

[Mjmannella]

They are both universal and not at the same time its not simply a switch you can activate that upgrades all of the animals at the same time each individual animal would require significant effort to upgrade.

I'm aware of how game development works, TYVM. My point her eis that the workload being the same means that there's no rationale for premium prices.

Nothing inherently warrants any particular species being left behind but again

Which is exactly my point.

ts not about individual species but the workload associated with making hundreds of species. When you have 6 months and doing all the upgrades takes 7 some species have to not make it or if the game is going to generate 10million but it will cost 11million to make all those upgrades its not viable.

We have 210 species, about 40 of which are exhibit animals. Most of the animal models don't even have demand for getting updated. This is a far cry from "hundreds".

Thats just a strawman argument you cannot compare someone upgrading your car with the development of a new game.

The purpose of the car example was to demonstrate my sentiments towards the perspective, and not to reword your argument. Apologies if I didn't make that clear.

It also is not comparable in the sense that your suggesting they are actively sabotaging the sequel by removing the animals which is not even close to what is happening

If they're re-sell old species, then it will 100% feel detrimental IMO. That was the whole point of my comparison. Do I need a car radio? Not at all, but it's nice that I got one and there's no good reason why you should strip it away.

if you seriously think sacrificing the quality of an animal never justifies lowering the species count then why did you even move on from the zoo tycoon games.

Why does anyone ever want anything new? Should we be forced to burry ourselves in nostalgia if we want fresh minds re-vitalising the zoo game experience? I'm also not really sure how this retort is relevant to the discussion anyways.

you inability to think critically about anything

Proudly claiming you cannot view something with nuance

Or this rudeness to be frank.

 

[NZFanatic]

It's so funny that people are getting so upset over a game that doesn't even actually exist.

 

[Markiz]

To be honest, depending on when they plan to release it, it might already be in some sort of early development

 

[Doran]

To be honest, depending on when they plan to release it, it might already be in some sort of early development

Given Frontier stated next game is getting 3 years of developement time and it is obviously going to be released in November 2026 then PZ2 is already in advanced state of works.

 

[Frogstrich]

It won't because we know the base game roster is only 82, not sure what the point of the thought exercise is.

I'm Saying If They Increased The Roster To Include All Of JWE2's Roster At Launch, Not If They Were To Keep The Roster Number The Same.

 

[Fini]

It's so funny that people are getting so upset over a game that doesn't even actually exist.

Yes, and in the meantime, I'm dreaming of PZ2 with all the cool new features that PC2 and JWE3 have, plus whatever else it could have.

I think I'm pretty much alone in saying that I really don't care if I have to buy animals again. As long as the main game has a good variety roaster (and doesn't skip continents again), I'm fine with whatever comes along.

 

[Xrystal]

Yes, and in the meantime, I'm dreaming of PZ2 with all the cool new features that PC2 and JWE3 have, plus whatever else it could have.

I think I'm pretty much alone in saying that I really don't care if I have to buy animals again. As long as the main game has a good variety roaster (and doesn't skip continents again), I'm fine with whatever comes along.

You're not alone there. I am quite fine buying animals. Compared to other DLCs I have seen I feel they are reasonably priced, even for someone with my tight limits on luxury spending.
But yes, it would be great to have an all around the world base game roster.

For example: 7 continents could make the DLCs all around the world friendly by providing one animal per continent in each pack. With 70/77/84 animals in the base game with 10 to 12 animals per continent.

 

[The Carcharodontogenius]

I do. First off I wouldn't put an osprey in a Forest pack when they are better known to be a piscivorous bird that lives close to bodies of water, specially in coastal areas but is also very widespread close to human populations. Not exactly an example of a Forest dwelling creature. Plus is a flying bird why would it be in a pack for PZ1 as an habitat animal? There isn't even a system in the game to support that. And we haven't got any bird in the WTE why the osprey out of all things? (Also we haven't got a scenery pack for the past 2 years and they are clearly not coming back)

Second, I don't care about pretty much of any of the other species except for maybe the elk and even then is not a high priority to me. The bear can stay because I think is the perfect face for a forest pack (second best would be something like a red squirrel maybe) but it still would be a pretty boring addition for me.

Now turn this into an animal pack and both elk and bear are fine by me, but give me more interesting animals and variety. FOREST is a pretty broad term and there lots of different kind of forests so a huge load of possibilities for such a pack concept, including tropical rainforest species that are actually requested like... Idk... Coatis???

Fine. Here's a revamp.

Forest Pack:

1. American Black Bear.
2. Blue Tree Monitor.
3. oo bird (Cuculus canorus).
4. Grey squirrel.
5. Elk.
6. Emerald Tree Boa [Exhibit].
7. South American Coati.
8. Red Piranha [Exhibit].

Better?

 

[Marvinb]

Fine. Here's a revamp.

Forest Pack:

1. American Black Bear.
2. Blue Tree Monitor.
3. oo bird (Cuculus canorus).
4. Grey squirrel.
5. Elk.
6. Emerald Tree Boa [Exhibit].
7. South American Coati.
8. Red Piranha [Exhibit].

Better?

Blue tree monitors are about the size of the gila monster and skink, so i highly doubt they would make its a habitat animal

 

[The Carcharodontogenius]

Blue tree monitors are about the size of the gila monster and skink, so i highly doubt they would make its a habitat animal

Thanks for the correction.

Forest Pack:

1. American Black Bear.
2. Blue Tree Monitor [Exhibit].
3. Cuculus canorus.
4. Grey squirrel.
5. Elk.
6. Brown Howler Monkey.
7. South American Coati.
8. Red Piranha [Exhibit].

 

[Mjmannella]

I'm Saying If They Increased The Roster To Include All Of JWE2's Roster At Launch, Not If They Were To Keep The Roster Number The Same.

That would be better, yes. But we know that isn’t happening

 

[NZFanatic]

Thanks for the correction.

Forest Pack:

1. American Black Bear.
2. Blue Tree Monitor [Exhibit].
3. Cuculus canorus.
4. Grey squirrel.
5. Elk.
6. Brown Howler Monkey.
7. South American Coati.
8. Red Piranha [Exhibit].

If you're speculating, it seems a little weird to include exhibit animals at all. We know we aren't getting those in DLC anymore.

Additionally, a fish? Our first one? It's as unlikely as a flying bird.

 

[The Carcharodontogenius]

We know we aren't getting those in DLC anymore.

Because there hasn't been one since the Barnyard Animal Pack & Zookeepers Animal Pack?

 

[biggest_dreamer]

Saw a handful of species for the first time this past week, which shot them up my list of priorities or in some case made me understand the demand for them in this game.

Never really saw the appeal for the Himalayan monal over any number of other pheasants, but now that I've seen one in person I totally get it. That sheen is beyond compare. I still think the golden pheasant should be our first pheasant, but I wouldn't be remotely unhappy with the monal anymore. Similarly, I also saw a green peafowl, and realize that it's far from just a recolor. Larger, more upright posture, and again just some absolutely stunning coloration in person. Puts the Indian peafowl to shame, frankly. I'm not exactly clamoring for its inclusion or anything, but if it were to show up, I wouldn't be too disappointed.

Aye-aye's another big one. I had previously been under the impression that they were largely sedentary, basically the primate equivalent of a sloth, koala, or Brazilian porcupine, so they fell into my "neat but boring/unrealistic in practice" category. Couldn't be further from the case. The ones I saw were some of the most active primates I have ever laid eyes on, they were considerably larger than I was expecting, and I loved their big bushy tails. They're a top priority for me now.

Also saw some olive baboons. I still don't think we need a second baboon, but these were still genuinely impressive to see in real life, in a different way than Hamadryas baboons. I had it in my head that they were essentially Hamadryas-lite, but no, they certainly have their own distinct appeal. I don't really see them brought up anymore post-Zookeepers pack outside of Zoo Tycoon completion discussions, but at the same time I don't think they'd be the worst monkey inclusion.

Black-and-rufous elephant shrew is insanely cool to see in person. I don't think it's really in contention as a smaller species, but I'd be thrilled if we did get it.

I guess that's about it. For having visited 9 facilities last week, 7 of them being for the first time, I didn't see all too many new Planet Zoo viable species. I guess the others would include mongoose lemur, booted macaque, Visayan warty pig, and a few dozen waterfowl species (LOL)... either too "whatever" or unrealistic to mention in detail, really.

 

[Tinou97]

Saw a handful of species for the first time this past week, which shot them up my list of priorities or in some case made me understand the demand for them in this game.

Never really saw the appeal for the Himalayan monal over any number of other pheasants, but now that I've seen one in person I totally get it. That sheen is beyond compare. I still think the golden pheasant should be our first pheasant, but I wouldn't be remotely unhappy with the monal anymore. Similarly, I also saw a green peafowl, and realize that it's far from just a recolor. Larger, more upright posture, and again just some absolutely stunning coloration in person. Puts the Indian peafowl to shame, frankly. I'm not exactly clamoring for its inclusion or anything, but if it were to show up, I wouldn't be too disappointed.

Aye-aye's another big one. I had previously been under the impression that they were largely sedentary, basically the primate equivalent of a sloth, koala, or Brazilian porcupine, so they fell into my "neat but boring/unrealistic in practice" category. Couldn't be further from the case. The ones I saw were some of the most active primates I have ever laid eyes on, they were considerably larger than I was expecting, and I loved their big bushy tails. They're a top priority for me now.

Also saw some olive baboons. I still don't think we need a second baboon, but these were still genuinely impressive to see in real life, in a different way than Hamadryas baboons. I had it in my head that they were essentially Hamadryas-lite, but no, they certainly have their own distinct appeal. I don't really see them brought up anymore post-Zookeepers pack outside of Zoo Tycoon completion discussions, but at the same time I don't think they'd be the worst monkey inclusion.

Black-and-rufous elephant shrew is insanely cool to see in person. I don't think it's really in contention as a smaller species, but I'd be thrilled if we did get it.

I guess that's about it. For having visited 9 facilities last week, 7 of them being for the first time, I didn't see all too many new Planet Zoo viable species. I guess the others would include mongoose lemur, booted macaque, Visayan warty pig, and a few dozen waterfowl species (LOL)... either too "whatever" or unrealistic to mention in detail, really.

In a bit more than 2 weeks I'm going back to Pairi Daiza (the last time was in December 2023) and I already know I will see a lot of species, I will look at my boyfriend and say "see, we need those in PZ"... starting with the WALRUS! I'm also planning to go to Rotterdam zoo by the end of August so I can see Puffins, Amur Leopard and Okapis for the first time.