New Poll External third person view - Release is near

[ZeeWolf]

Yes its overly emotivly written but at the end of the day a no vote is implicitly the same as saying you don't want anyone else to have it. So just hit that option and don't feel bad, you're entitled to your opinion. Its wrong, but then your hardly alone in that

Fine, here's an alternative idea for a poll

Do you want external views?

1. Yes, I don't care about the developer's crazy ideas about design - I want the game to include tropes that were invented for virtua racing and every other game has had since and I don't want like it when developers try to move on sighting creative vision. Also I don't care that my head stays firmly on my head in real life. In computer games my head should be everywhere and I should be able to fly around my own body because it's a game.

2. No

3. No I'm sensible.

4. No I'm great.

5. No I'm intelligent.

 

[WeirdWizard]

Fine, here's an alternative idea for a poll

Do you want external views?

1. Yes, I don't care about the developer's crazy ideas about design - I want the game to include tropes that were invented for virtua racing and every other game has had since and I don't want like it when developers try to move on sighting creative vision. Also I don't care that my head stays firmly on my head in real life. In computer games my head should be everywhere and I should be able to fly around my own body because it's a game.

2. No

3. No I'm sensible.

4. No I'm great.

5. No I'm intelligent.

The op poll is clearly (though poorly worded and slightly bias in its phrasing)

no never

yes for solo

yes for everyone but not in combat

yes for everyone with no restriction

no unless presented as drones in an in character way.


Your options are


yes (with a long winded rant about stuff most of which is either wrong or irrelevant)

no

no

no

Yeah that's totally the same thing as the OPs poll options.

 

[ZeeWolf]

The op poll is clearly (though poorly worded and slightly bias in its phrasing)

no never

yes for solo

yes for everyone but not in combat

yes for everyone with no restriction

no unless presented as drones in an in character way.


Your options are


yes (with a long winded rant about stuff most of which is either wrong or irrelevant)

no

no

no

Yeah that's totally the same thing as the OPs poll options.

No my options here seem to be:

1. No because I hate everyone else

2. Yes for some realistic purpose

3. Yes for some reasonable purpose.

4. Yes for some other purpose.

5. No because I want something complicated and non-intuitive.

 

[Ulysses_W]

I voted no.

I think stations should have vanity mirrors installed in various places so we can admire ourselves as we enter and exit a docking bay if we want to.

Chaos would ensue. Brilliant.

 

[Sterlino]

months ago i would voted ''NO''.

but after some deep thoughts and after some considerations (skins in the store above it all)
my vote is now YES (except for the combat moments of course)

 

[Jaykay]

Reckon they should have a camera drone view showing on that screen between your legs in the cockpit, that way you couldn't use it properly during a fight anyway and would keep immersion.

 

[Riandor]

Having worked in the polling industry many years ago, this poll is simply ludicrous. It is designed to be leading and is in no way constructive.
I have answered anyway... No, except via Drones and you will all get to have an external view of your ship once EVA is released. Many reasons why which i feel have been covered to death enough.

 

[Kirisute]

yes for me...non combat...
argument why? the condom principle!
its better to have it and not need it than it is to need it and not have it!

the game is beautiful and yet a lot of that beauty is unrealised from within the cockpit....if 3rd person view is in game then you have a choice to use it or not....
if it isn't in game then people will always want it.
keep the masses happy I say!

 

[WeirdWizard]

No my options here seem to be:

1. No because I hate everyone else

2. Yes for some realistic purpose

3. Yes for some reasonable purpose.

4. Yes for some other purpose.

5. No because I want something complicated and non-intuitive.

I think you're reading too much into it. Yes its phrased in a leading way and its clear the OP wants external views. But the first option is not saying no because I hate everyone. Its saying no I don't want it and no one else should get it either... Should that have been left purely as no with the rest left off.. Of course, is it the same as saying no and anyone who clicks here hates everyone.. Of course not. Emotive as it is it's still essentially true. If you don't want external views implemented then you by extension don't want anyone else to get them.If you're not comfortable with that then maybe you need to reexamine your reasons for objecting to external views in the first place.

 

[ZeeWolf]

I think you're reading too much into it. Yes its phrased in a leading way and its clear the OP wants external views. But the first option is not saying no because I hate everyone. Its saying no I don't want it and no one else should get it either... Should that have been left purely as no with the rest left off.. Of course, is it the same as saying no and anyone who clicks here hates everyone.. Of course not. Emotive as it is it's still essentially true. If you don't want external views implemented then you by extension don't want anyone else to get them.If you're not comfortable with that then maybe you need to reexamine your reasons for objecting to external views in the first place.

If the poll is leading people to vote a certain way and excluding options to allow people to vote their opinion then its biassed. I can't vote my 'no' reason because the poll doesn't represent it correctly - therefore this poll is meaningless.

The only way the poll can work is "yes, no, maybe, not interested"

 

[Dai-San]

I voted NO... but for one reason only.

To be frank I don't care one way or another, It's nice to see the skin I paid for or to make nice cinematics etc but what people fail to realise or understand, or even care about is that there are far more pressing issues that need addressing and far more features that would be nice to have that would actually improve the game than a 3rd person view.

People seem to think that it's just a matter of flipping a switch and there it is, 3rd person in all it's glory, no issues, no clipping, no weird bugs or network impacts. Then those same people would start the threads saying "When I enter a station the camera goes through the walls/barrels/pylons and it ruins my immersion in the game". It is MORE work to implement a 3rd person view than a 1st and personally I would say "Yeah, go for it, ONCE the game is bug free and feature complete".

Just my two cents!

 

[Connatic]

I wouldn't mind as long as you couldn't use it in combat...but I could care less. I'm not the kind of person that tries to take pretty screenshots in my ship.

 

[Jezzah]

Voted yes but only if it's a camera drone that I can control myself. I'd lose control of my own ship until I pilotted it back within a few meters. I'd still have a mini radar showing me my ship position. No combat capability this is just for pretty pictures and limited surveillance use.

 

[WeirdWizard]

People seem to think that it's just a matter of flipping a switch and there it is, 3rd person in all it's glory, no issues, no clipping, no weird bugs or network impacts. Then those same people would start the threads saying "When I enter a station the camera goes through the walls/barrels/pylons and it ruins my immersion in the game"

Well it isn't much more work than flipping a switch, I'd be surprised if most of the code wasn't already in place for the external views used in the trailers. All you need to add (if its not in already) is some keybindings, a raycast to check if the camera is inside another object and some small amount of code to handle the different view types you want to support. If it was in Unity I could whip that up in my lunch hour. I'd be surprised if their engine is substantially harder to work with for something like this.

Simple external cameras isn't a resources thing its a design thing. Now camera drones is another question altogether, that has game design issues, programming, art assets, sound design, the works, which just seems like more reason to go with the tried and true external cameras now because its quick and easy, will please lots of people and (despite their objections here) simply not effect everyone else.

Once they are in they can take time in the future to add actual useful drones who can fly away from the ship and have other functions if they want to. I'd support that, but not as a means of providing external views. Its a different beast entirely.

 

[sngerous]

You have the option in other games (racing, flight sim) too. So why not here? Displays should be off ofc.

 

[Jastar]

Hey Guys,
i know the answers are a bit from a pro external view sight ;-) but dont take it that serious, look at it with a piece of fun.
About option 1 it is hard descripted, but finally it is like this when a person dont want that this feature gets in the game then nobody else will have the feature, so the description is hard but true.
I just wanted to see how people think right now about this feature when release is near.
The other Poll is from February 2014 and closed for voting now.


For me personally i would be happy if i could switch in a view and have there no cockpit no hud nothing just the wide universe in front of me -> screenshots
I dont want to fly around in third person from behind.

 

[NeoRacer]

Just put it in Solo mode and be done with it. No weird drones, no disabled weapons (how the hell is that gonna look when you can get any good action shots) this has gone on long enough.

 

[Jikahn]

It's very easy to implement external view and make it completely unusable in combat even with weapons active.

1. Put up a 5 second pseudo loading screen when you activate it explaining that there will be artificially induced input lag. (5 seconds of not knowing what is going on)
2. No hud
3. Artificially add severe input lag

I seriously doubt people will be able to use this in combat except for staged screenshots. Everybody wins.

 

[Sandmann]

Noone is arguing that it's not easy to do, in fact we know that FD has extenal views on their internal builds. The point is that FD and Braben simply don't want external views in their game, and as long as they don't want them it won't happen. We even know why they don't want them, they've already told us why, and as much as we might argue or disagree with their decision they've shown many times that they are writing the game THEY want to write.

They're not about to change the game they're writing, especially 5 days before release... there's little point in threads like this at this point other than to vent, so the question is not "can we convince them to change the game they're making?" but rather "can you play and enjoy the game we're getting?".

 

[GIBSONJR]

Absolutely not and it is good that Frontier decided not to go for it, never.