Update Reverted insurance changes in Gamma 2.06

Mack Winston

Mack Winston
Andromalius said:
Good. I'd avise you next time you plan to do something lile this to ask first and never try to pass ninja updates this way. It will never end good. You want to test something ? Announce it, test it, and then act on it. Kneejerk changes are never good, and your reputation took a big hit because of this.
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Firstly, never ascribe to malice that which can adequately be explained by incompetence (I'm not saying the FD devs are incompetent, but mistakes can happen, either mistakes in decision making, or just an omission in some code especially when you're working hard on something. In my life as a sw developer, I've had to pull a 100+ hour week once and it was not fun, and mistakes were made).

Secondly, perhaps their reputation now has gone from "Neutral" to "Unfriendly" in the Federation. If so, they should join the club :) (Well, actually, I'm now just marked as "Hostile" in the Federation)
 

Vorgon

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@FD: Thank you for doing this. I was a bit worried about backtracking there, but not any more.

Full steam ahead for release!!
 

PsyBlade

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I find it amusing how the community is always quick to tell you that -50% insurance cost is totally not pay2win*, yet when there was a change to that "tiny bennefit" there are a thosand posts of outraged people complaining that they payed 150$ only because of it.

*NO, pay2have-a-much-easiere-time-than-players-who-do-not-pay is not fundamentally different, it still can be summarised as pay2win.
 

nUDD cHA

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beelbeebub said:
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I think a number of forum members owe FD apologies.....
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Just as soon as they apologies to those testers who lost A LOT due to this attempt to renege on their offer, if you read the notes on this (Which are posted repeatedly over the forums) this was deliberate, not accidental
 

Andromalius

Andromalius
winston said:
Firstly, never ascribe to malice that which can adequately be explained by incompetence (I'm not saying the FD devs are incompetent, but mistakes can happen, either mistakes in decision making, or just an omission in some code especially when you're working hard on something. In my life as a sw developer, I've had to pull a 100+ hour week once and it was not fun, and mistakes were made).

Secondly, perhaps their reputation now has gone from "Neutral" to "Unfriendly" in the Federation. If so, they should join the club :) (Well, actually, I'm now just marked as "Hostile" in the Federation)
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I agree with the overall message you are passing, but they can't be *that* incompetent. They already had advance notice from the flags debacle this kind of stuff won't pass unnoticed. I just can't believe any PR person fresh from the school would make such a mistake *again* even on a sunday morning with a hangover. Let alone an experienced professional. It's not like these kind of decisions are taken on an impulse by one guy. (and if they are, they sure as hell shouldn't)
 

Conehead

Conehead
Andromalius said:
I agree with the overall message you are passing, but they can't be *that* incompetent. They already had advance notice from the flags debacle this kind of stuff won't pass unnoticed. I just can't believe any PR person fresh from the school would make such a mistake *again* even on a sunday morning with a hangover. Let alone an experienced professional. It's not like these kind of decisions are taken on an impulse by one guy. (and if they are, they sure as hell shouldn't)
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I have to disagree. I also was prefessional sw developer and still working in that business. Such things happens under big pressure and high workload. I'm not sure if that was a dev mistake or a bad decision taken by anybody (what I think was the case, as it was written in the patch notes). But it doesn't matter.
SW developing is a very special busines and the pressure close to delivery date can make your right thoughts turn left. In fact I'm very much impressed that the team has done such a great performance that last days. So much changes and improvements in the last minutes and still handling all unplanned upcoming problems.

Big applause to them! I really wish them that it'll be a smooth go live!
 

Al-Hala

Al-Hala
Andromalius said:
I agree with the overall message you are passing, but they can't be *that* incompetent. They already had advance notice from the flags debacle this kind of stuff won't pass unnoticed. I just can't believe any PR person fresh from the school would make such a mistake *again* even on a sunday morning with a hangover. Let alone an experienced professional. It's not like these kind of decisions are taken on an impulse by one guy. (and if they are, they sure as hell shouldn't)
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I could tell stories, but the too long; didn't read summary is yes, some companies do have just that (the one guy).

I've worked with an accountant who brought the company servers down because he needed internet (no clue and unsecured servers), a VP of finance upgrading the server because he was too impatient to wait for IT (bringing accounts receivable to a standstill; same issue), GM making off the cuff decisions that cost tens of thousands of dollars because he couldn't be bothered to actually engage with the problem.

Never underestimate the human condition in small/medium companies. The rails can come off in an eyeblink.
 

Cmdr Machete

Cmdr Machete
Edward Lewis said:
Hi everyone,

In Gamma 2.06 last night we made a server-side change that made the ship insurance apply only to the ship, and not to all the add-on modules as it had done previously. This has now been reverted on the live servers to as it was before 2.06.

The team have been working exceptionally hard, so we appreciate your patience - thanks for being tolerant!

Cheers,

Ed
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As you can see with such a trivial change:
You pull a large amount of aggro with such accidentally/ incautiously tasks. You always have to think it twice. And for all kind of situations: Keep calm! :D
 

Helfar

Helfar
Edward Lewis said:
Hi everyone,

In Gamma 2.06 last night we made a server-side change that made the ship insurance apply only to the ship, and not to all the add-on modules as it had done previously. This has now been reverted on the live servers to as it was before 2.06.

The team have been working exceptionally hard, so we appreciate your patience - thanks for being tolerant!

Cheers,

Ed
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We appreciate the vast amount of work the team have done, even if we don't often show it in our posts. we lub the FD team :)
 

Kitiara

Kitiara
nUDD cHA said:
Just as soon as they apologies to those testers who lost A LOT due to this attempt to renege on their offer, if you read the notes on this (Which are posted repeatedly over the forums) this was deliberate, not accidental
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mmm, I would dearly like my asp back. 30 million credits is a lot to lose right before launch.
 
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