Lack of content and features means we simply lack imagination!?!

So we have a list of features we expected, or make a comment on how we feel about certain mechanics, and get barraged with lines like "you just lack imagination" or "you just don't understand Elite: Dangerous" or my favorite "learn to play".

First off, this is release, so lemme spin you a tale. Say a game about assassinating people in an open world with a vast storyline that spans hundreds of generations has been planned to release, it has sandbox elements, but has promise of a living world and a fascinating story you take part in release. then it releases you can only walk around the town, stab evil villain X, and find treasures hidden through out this open world map....and its fresh and full of bugs, game-breaking bugs, some so bad it makes the game look horrific and barely playable....would you be upset, would you complain, would you feel like you have been ripped off, not to mention day one micro-transactions......

Do you get the hint now, release isn't supposed to be open beta, or early access, if I released a new car without brakes and promised "coming soon" after a year of prototyping said car and hyping it up, I imagine I would have a few lawsuits on my hand. We as consumers don't go to wal-mart and buy a pack of toilet paper that says "6 rolls" and then comes with three and a note saying "Coming Soon".

Release is meant to mean full product, and is expected to be finished, not the prototype or the "Base Platform".

And I can understand some people are trying their best to go "It's okay....I just spent a ton on this(grits teeth), its fantastic(painful smile)...." but please, understand this is the Era of early access and many of us are feeling the burn pretty hard right now, and simply trying to wave off peoples feelings isn't helping the situation, and plugging your ears and going "la la la la" isn't going to hide the fact we are upset and had higher expectation.

Elite has been known to be a single-player game, now that it has been MMO-tized many of the original "Elite" features simply won't do, the bar is raised, and the many years of change that have come in the gaming industry has made our expectations grow.

TL: DR:

Sometimes our complaints are justified, and many people feel like they just pre-ordered "Colonial: Alien Marines" and I imagine many of those who are calling out the "whiners" wouldn't complain if the features we are whinging about where put into the game, I suspect you would love them as much as we complain about not having them!

I apologize for such a long post, but thanks for making it through to the end if you did!
 
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Don't talk to fanboys and take their oppinion as a base for discussion. They see something good in everything. Must be some kind of mental delusion. "Lack of content and features means you simply lack imagination!" is NO official statement from frontier. They know, that the game isn't done and never made a secret about it. Why they are doing this could have many reasons. I think they just need a injection of money to keep things running.
 
Unfortunately there are a fair few people that feel they must defend this game to the nines.
They'll argue against pretty much anything that in any way is critical of the game, even constructive criticism or people pointing out bugs that FD recognize as bugs.

I think this stems from the fact that they feel they must justify the purchase of the game to themselves and that they see any criticism of the game as criticism of themselves, hence the reactions you get are a bit OTT. There is also Tribal behaviour to consider. Once a person believes themselves part of a tribe they will defend it vigorously. Similar thing you see with football teams, political parties, console wars etc...
 
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Release is obsolete now. It no longer defines a finite state. All games now evolve beyond their release. All release dates signify now is that everyone can buy into the game.
 
just like you said op.

unfortumately the game is in actual early beta, but they sell it for a release so many will complain and it's normal.

just hope that the game still have players that stick with it until the good feature appears...
 
Game has all the personality of plain corn chips. Apparently no one has voice boxes in the future and types in everything they want to say to each other. If they were building a house, I'd say they're just finishing pouring the concrete for the foundation and they're poking it with sticks + them paddle things to get all the air bubbles out.

And after 20 or so hours I'd guarantee you that not even the RAF's jets have a complaining Betty with a pommie accent, it would cause too many fragging incidents. In fact I would bet it's causing some of the rage from ppl on these forums subliminally.
 
Release is obsolete now. It no longer defines a finite state. All games now evolve beyond their release. All release dates signify now is that everyone can buy into the game.

Come on, that's pure rubbish. 99.9999999% of games are released in a finished state and do not evolve beyond their release outside of DLC. Patching bugs is not evolving.
 
I think much of the "fanboism" is a reaction to the "doom and gloom merchants", and vice-versa.

My view. It's not feature complete but it has a framework and it's playable, neither is it fatally flawed, or broken beyond repair - the middle ground amidst the hysteria. :)

Am I satisfied with it as a 1.0 release? Mostly yes, I'd have loved it to be more content heavy and more interactive, but it isn't. Can I play it how I wanted to play it? Pretty much yes, I've been around the block with this game for 2 years and the bugs - while annoying, don't break the game for me - probably because I'm used to the pitfalls now and how to avoid them.

I have to make a simple decision: Do I play it now in the expectation that it will evolve at a pace that manages to maintain my level of interest? Do I leave it for 6 months and find other entertainment, then come back and see if it's a better animal? Do I just bin it and put it down to just one of those things?

For me - I'll keep playing, because at the moment I'm having fun. :)
 
I think much of the "fanboism" is a reaction to the "doom and gloom merchants", and vice-versa.

My view. It's not feature complete but it has a framework and it's playable, neither is it fatally flawed, or broken beyond repair - the middle ground amidst the hysteria. :)

Am I satisfied with it as a 1.0 release? Mostly yes, I'd have loved it to be more content heavy and more interactive, but it isn't. Can I play it how I wanted to play it? Pretty much yes, I've been around the block with this game for 2 years and the bugs - while annoying, don't break the game for me - probably because I'm used to the pitfalls now and how to avoid them.

I have to make a simple decision: Do I play it now in the expectation that it will evolve at a pace that manages to maintain my level of interest? Do I leave it for 6 months and find other entertainment, then come back and see if it's a better animal? Do I just bin it and put it down to just one of those things?

For me - I'll keep playing, because at the moment I'm having fun. :)


well you were seeking a solo game so. in that regard yes the game is solid with basic features.

personnally what make me back it is the multiplayer side of the game, and on that point it's clearly lacking many thing even the basics for a release. it's like call of duty release without matchmaking ^^

i'm waiting since freelancer to find a space game that offer true multiplayer, and for now that's clearly not elite, so i will wait play every once in a while to gain some credits in hope that true multiplayer come and when it will be here i will play it more. but how many will wait? that's the big problems here ^^
 
I am not sure what i really expected from ED, but so far i really like it. Yes, it's rough. Yes, it's lacking a lot at the moment. BUT: It's really the only game on its scale, totally unmatched. It's a framework. It will (hopefully) get filled more and more. For the moment the content that is already there is enough for me. And for the first time i am playing a game where space actually feels real.

I think what some people can't really understand is the fascination with space that the so called fanboys describe. If you don't have that... i think this game is not for you, at least now. Maybe it will become a good game for you once it is fleshed out more.
 
I absolutely agree with the OP.
And people should let others voice their concerns without telling them how those are actually 'features'.
 
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Maybe you would care to list all these 99.99% finished games on release then?


take a gaming site, look at the test page, and read that it's not an early acces.
the bigger part of the game will surely have bug since it's common now to release bugged game but all the main feature will be here.
 
Oh come off it.

Even if I take your comment as read, given two competing games with differing levels of 'completeness' at launch, the one that is more complete and more polished gets the better score, all else being equal.

Assassin's Creed - Unity has been utterly slammed in the press and dropped Ubisoft's stock off a cliff because it was released bug-ridden and unfinished.

But hey, I guess you can head over to the AC forums and tell them the good news.

More doesn't always mean better. You can have all the features you want in your game at launch but if they are poorly thought out and add nothing to the gameplay then it's pretty irrelevant!
 
Maybe you would care to list all these 99.99% finished games on release then?

Are you joking?
List 99.999999% of games ever made.
I don't think I can fit all those games in one post.

How about just the last two games I bought. Dragon Age Inquisition, Far Cry 4.
Are you saying that those two games are early access and will evolve?

I suggest you don't, drop the spade, walk away, you're just digging a bigger hole.
 
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take a gaming site, look at the test page, and read that it's not an early acces.
the bigger part of the game will surely have bug since it's common now to release bugged game but all the main feature will be here.

Most gaming developers hold back features to release as DLC. It keeps the game feeling fresh. That's why as i said ni game launches complete.
 
Most gaming developers hold back features to release as DLC. It keeps the game feeling fresh. That's why as i said ni game launches complete.

dlc are another problems in game now, and it's rarely features, it's more content than features...
but if i buy a cod or battlefield game label with multiplayer i can play with other not just see them ;) without having to wait x month after released...
and they will release content with dlc (new map or weapons are not features it's content.)
 
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