I don't like also how OP generalizes everything into ASPECTS of the game. Do you guys REALLY want this game to have only what it has now? Nothing new added? No new missions types, mining expanded and made more fun, mini events etc? There are MANY aspects that can make ED MUCH MUCH more enjoyable than the grind fest it currently is. Not saying everything has to be handed on a silver platter. But there are many ways that game can be made more fun from different aspects. So this poll is just so extremely biased I just boggling badly.
Dear Mr Braben... The poll
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I didn't write that, I wrote;;;
It was fine before release, in the Beta stage.
But with the last up date it's getting closer to a shooter, now It don't matter if you run out of ammo or overheat your weapons only that you got your shot in 10 seconds before someone makes the kill.
This was the challenge, making sure you had the ammo and energy to put the enemy down right till the end. If you ran out of power or lost your target and someone got there before you find them again, then tough.
Now you will easily get you weapons online before 10 seconds and always claiming the bounty. Fact that it now makes heat and reloading meaningless. So now heat mechanics can be taken out of the game too.
This is the bigger picture, changing one thing and then making a whole lot of other things obsolete in game. Just aim and fire you get the bounty every time, no thinking about it, don't have worry about your weapons, just hold that trigger down..
This is what everybody wants, really? Because I don't, the game can be much, much more than this.
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This was all to do with the final shot kill rule. Missions, mining etc, have all been declared as place markers and will get reworked.
Meh - "Do you think FD should change [core] aspects of the game [compared to Elite '84]?" would have done the job... tacking on "to please the new crowd" smacks of... err... elitism?
Will it need fixes and balancing along the way? Sure. Is it perfect yet? Heck no - but nothing ever is.
Should the Devs immediately act on every and all "all-caps statement" made in the forums asking to Buff or Nerf XYZ aspect of the game? Naw. But it's all good debate.
Will it need fixes and balancing along the way? Sure. Is it perfect yet? Heck no - but nothing ever is.
Should the Devs immediately act on every and all "all-caps statement" made in the forums asking to Buff or Nerf XYZ aspect of the game? Naw. But it's all good debate.
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The question posed is way to broad in its scope. There are always balance changes that have to be made after release. There are usually always aspects of gameplay that have to be somewhat tweaked once they see how it progresses after release (last shot on a target getting bounty being one example..).
As long as they stay true to their original intention for the core of the game, and don't get swayed or caught in the trap of trying to please everyone, we'll be better off for it.
Stay strong Devs.
As long as they stay true to their original intention for the core of the game, and don't get swayed or caught in the trap of trying to please everyone, we'll be better off for it.
Stay strong Devs.
If you refuse to use engines instead of horses, you can't complain how the carts with engines beat you in a race.
No, because they dilute the rest of the combat mechanics and make it less engaging and fun.
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ah but which crowd is the larger?
also which crowd has the longevity (i'm going 84er and frontier players here)
should you pander to the larger crowd even if they will be gone within the year and thus alienate the older crowd who would've stuck around if you hadn't? (SWG anyone?)
also which crowd has the longevity (i'm going 84er and frontier players here)
should you pander to the larger crowd even if they will be gone within the year and thus alienate the older crowd who would've stuck around if you hadn't? (SWG anyone?)
^ This. +1 Rep.
SpiralRazor
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Exactly this ^
MMOs rely on the people who came in on the merc edition or release, not the whales.
Also, i have system thats better then 95% of any ED user, but what i spent on my own system has NOTHING to do with the changes that need to be in the game. (I upgraded the system to play SC at 4k, ED is a bonus)
Dumb biased poll is dumb and biased. The game needs to be made "easier", if thats what you want to call it, for the largest majority of players or it will die....barrier to real entry(Lakon 6+) is quite high, and most major systems still are not working in the game; Trading, reputation, mining etc etc.
If you are a gamma player that made tons of money off rares or mining exploits, please DO NOT COMMENT ABOUT THE GAME BEING "EASY".....
Played in 1984 on a commodore 64 with atari 2600 joystick. voted that its for the better.
AFAIK Frontier employ quite a lot of people, so whatever happens needs a business case. If that's not your number 1 priority, you might as well sell up and close the place before the bank does.
The game needs to be true to itself, first and foremost. That might or might not conflict with something else, so we need to take it down a notch to evaluate the impact of what is done to each component. Some of these "new" ideas are at any rate not doable due to the networked format, rather than a wish to turn people into troglodytes, by transporting them back to the prehistoric time of 84. 
So, did anybody come up with numbers for when this poll becomes statistically relevant?
We're on an anonymous forum, so never.
As an '84 beta who plays all sorts of mmo's ,fps and strat' games (and has done since the start of "online gaming") I don't believe their is such a huge division between '84 players and those new to Elite , most gamers want a challenge regardless of age ,and while I agree with most of the points made in the "Dear Mr B" post I cannot cast a vote on the poll as it seems to loaded .
As I said in the above mentioned thread I believe some safe(ish)/starter bubbles of space could sort this problem to a large extent building new players skills and confidence until they're ready to venture into the dark ,and some "bubbles of space" only the brave ,deadly or foolhardy would venture into ,their you go something for all after all it's a big galaxy.
PS: I think it amusing that so many younger players think that 1st gen vid gamers no nothing of modern games and have ever stopped gaming, who if not those gamers do they think have driven game progression and development over the decades ?
As I said in the above mentioned thread I believe some safe(ish)/starter bubbles of space could sort this problem to a large extent building new players skills and confidence until they're ready to venture into the dark ,and some "bubbles of space" only the brave ,deadly or foolhardy would venture into ,their you go something for all after all it's a big galaxy.
PS: I think it amusing that so many younger players think that 1st gen vid gamers no nothing of modern games and have ever stopped gaming, who if not those gamers do they think have driven game progression and development over the decades ?
Same happens on the other side, some older gamers think the new generation is completely spoiled and don't know freck about games.
I'm not complaining about being beaten, that has nothing to do with it.
But you've reiterated one of my points for me, shield cells are the only weapon or mechanic in game that you have to have to be competitive. That alone shows that they're overpowered and unbalanced, there is no real counter to shield cells apart from more shield cells.
on a forum where you can undetectably create multiple accounts polls can easily be manipulated.