As somebody who invested several thousand hours in all flavors of X3 I can say you haven't even started. ED is repetitive as hell and the gameplay is on par with something like oolite which is basically a beefed up original elite. I am not saying it is a bad thing, but those repeatitive things are surely annoying and I hope some 3rd party tools will show up soon to deal with them.
ED:The waiting game ...that sends me back to X3
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As somebody who invested several thousand hours in all flavors of X3 I can say you haven't even started. ED is repetitive as hell and the gameplay is on par with something like oolite which is basically a beefed up original elite. I am not saying it is a bad thing, but those repeatitive things are surely annoying and I hope some 3rd party tools will show up soon to deal with them.
Is this a troll. All the posts you quote= Well if you dont like it fine, try something else.
No where close to your misrepresentation.
Sargon
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I've played all of the X games... Even before the first release was even sold in English or distributed in the USA. I bought it directly from Germany and played it in German until they enabled English... This was many moons ago. I played the heck out of all of them. Hundreds upon hundreds of hours.
It took me 10 minutes in ED during the Premium Beta to uninstall ALL of my X-games... Now since ver 1.0 I play nothing else and probably wont for quite some time.
Yes, I love it THAT much... but you need to put in some time to begin seeing a return... and it DOES return with much profit!
Cheers
It took me 10 minutes in ED during the Premium Beta to uninstall ALL of my X-games... Now since ver 1.0 I play nothing else and probably wont for quite some time.
Yes, I love it THAT much... but you need to put in some time to begin seeing a return... and it DOES return with much profit!
Cheers
Haha. yeah I guess it comes down to personal taste etc. But if you played X3 for 10 minutes you never played it
Anyway, I didn't intend for this post to end up being a comparison between space sims (we all have different taste), but there are a lot of interesting points though.
I will be playing ED a lot more I'm sure. As I said, I am not giving up and I don't intent to critisize the game blindly. Perhaps I should mention that I do think it hits a lot of right notes. It is certainly the best 'alone in my cockpit' sim I've played so far. The graphics are often great and the sound is awesome. It does give me that old Elite feeling some times, when I blow up the last pirate and head back to the nearest station with 1% hull (that was a nice moment
)It is the gameplay mechanics and what I interpret as 'waiting' that stops me from really getting into it and fully enjoying it. I do not consider myself the impatient type, and apparently I am not the only one who thinks that supercruising all day, can be a bit boring. Maybe I'll get used to it, maybe not. Maybe the devs will 'speed things up a bit' or maybe they consider flying around planets and waiting for your ship to slow down to be the core attraction to the game.
Anyways, ED hasn't seen the last of me
Good hunting everyone and Merry X(3)-Mas :-D
I've found playing ED to be a bit like setting up a PC - you've got a list of things cued up you wanna do but in the meantime you're waiting for this, then waiting for that.. pretty much per the OP.
DB talked about recapturing the immediacy of classic Elite but FE2 & FFE were MUCH more responsive and compliant than ED. You could blast off and be in the heat of battle within a few seconds... getting the same buzz in ED can take hours.. if you're lucky enough to even find any action!
DB talked about recapturing the immediacy of classic Elite but FE2 & FFE were MUCH more responsive and compliant than ED. You could blast off and be in the heat of battle within a few seconds... getting the same buzz in ED can take hours.. if you're lucky enough to even find any action!
The one thing I agree with OP on is that the tail-end of SC, ie the wait as you decelerate to eventually drop out, is just too long. It needs a good 30 seconds cut out of it. Personally I think they should significantly increase the distance and speed at which you can safely drop.
Actually flying around and exploring, targeting and tethering, etc., is fun in supercruise. Getting OUT of supercruise kinda sucks.
Actually flying around and exploring, targeting and tethering, etc., is fun in supercruise. Getting OUT of supercruise kinda sucks.
I'm getting really confused by the people who keep citing E's flight times as a problem and then saying they're going to go play the X-Games, which as much as I love them have amongst the slowest travel times in any game i've ever played.
Hell. Mass Effect's Elevators are faster than crossing a system in X with a normal fighter (with a capships you need a good novel to read as you cross a sector)
's flight times as a problem and then saying they're going to go play the X-Games, which as much as I love them have amongst the slowest travel times in any game i've ever played.Hell. Mass Effect's Elevators are faster than crossing a system in X with a normal fighter (with a capships you need a good novel to read as you cross a sector
)As hard as I tried, I just couldn't get into the X3 games. It seemed like an eternal grind just to get enough cash to buy a better ship, then there was the pages and pages of spreadsheets. Too much of an accounting sim for my liking. I suppose I could give it another go now that I have an X55 (no idea if X3 supports HOTAS) but I doubt my view will change, especially after playing the that was X-Afterbirth.
I don't understand. Did anyone play the original Elite - the travel times there were 20 minutes!!
From dock to dock, thru a journey of five or more jumps, takes about 8 minutes. That's not long at all!
Moving around a system can be boring, because SC takes so long to get going and then so long to slow down - I agree, I don't like these parts of SC, or the fact that I cannot see an Unidentified Signal as I'm flying by and just decide on a whim to stop and check it out - but when SC is fired up, travelling thru a system is easy and quick enough. It just takes too long to get to top speeds, and decelerate from them.
But what else are you missing - are you elite? are you enrolled in the Federal or Imperial Navy? Have you risen thru the ranks? Are you friendly with any systems yet? Have you made enough money to buy a new ship or fully equip the one you're flying? Have you done so much trading that your route is now listed in the official import/exports?
Because if you haven't done any of this, and you say there's nothing to do - I call bullhockey!
And that's without getting involved in any combat with PCs or NPCs!!!
From dock to dock, thru a journey of five or more jumps, takes about 8 minutes. That's not long at all!
Moving around a system can be boring, because SC takes so long to get going and then so long to slow down - I agree, I don't like these parts of SC, or the fact that I cannot see an Unidentified Signal as I'm flying by and just decide on a whim to stop and check it out - but when SC is fired up, travelling thru a system is easy and quick enough. It just takes too long to get to top speeds, and decelerate from them.
But what else are you missing - are you elite? are you enrolled in the Federal or Imperial Navy? Have you risen thru the ranks? Are you friendly with any systems yet? Have you made enough money to buy a new ship or fully equip the one you're flying? Have you done so much trading that your route is now listed in the official import/exports?
Because if you haven't done any of this, and you say there's nothing to do - I call bullhockey!
And that's without getting involved in any combat with PCs or NPCs!!!
I want to like this game! I really do! I loved the original on my C64 and it influenced my life in many ways. I have really been looking forward to this ...but something is missing ...or maybe I am missing the point?
This post is not meant as a general critisism of Elite Dangerous and everything in it. Neither is it a comparison between space sims. I just want to share my thoughts. I have a feeling I can't be the only one...
I just clicked 'Save and Exit'. Huh!? Why!? What's wrong here? My girlfriend is out and I have the whole evening to myself, but instead of enjoying hours of space exploration in my newly purchased Viper, I find myself ...well, writing this post and I bet that afterwards I will load up my last save in X3:Terrain Conflict (which I bought a month ago). Why?
I guess I am simply not having enough fun in ED. I do not feel immersed. I work 40+ hours a week and when I finally get the chance to fire up my pc and dive into a game, I want to have fun and I want to be absorbed. (Don't get me wrong. I am not the kind of player who wants everything served on a silver platter in the shape of fast paced action and big flashing hints. I have been a pc gamer for 25 years. I like long streched games, I like challenges, I like perma-death or a steep learning curve.) I want to feel part of the universe I am playing in. I want to be consumed, fascinated, challenged, and I want to be able to shape and control which ever game universe I am in... but in ED I find myself waiting.
I am waiting for my Viper to arrive at the station, I am waiting for a space platform to grant me a docking permit, because 15 sidewinders are queuing up. I am waiting for the blue 'jump' indicator so I can check out the unknown signal ...oh, it was just that high tech transporter again ...well, I will go wait some more for something to happen. It just feels tedious, slow and dead somehow. And it never really feels as if all the other online players are there (except when everyone is trying to dock at the same time). I don't really feel as if I am part of the universe, I feel as if I am flying around 400 billion stars with no aim, and every time I want to do something, explore something, experience something I end up spending my time ...waiting.
Some might say it is up to me, that I am not getting it. And maybe they are right. I sincerely hope they are. I am not giving up on ED. I am still hoping for this game to win me over and I intend to give it a fighting chance ...but tonight I choose X3:TC. I have had enough for now of supercruising the galaxy without going anywhere (...or going too far). In spite of X3 being a solo game (and an old one) it gives me the feeling of being part of a universe which seems much more vast and alive. And best of all, there are so many posibilities, so much to do ...and I don't have to wait all the time.
I agree with you even though I still like ED. I may quit for a month soon when I get really bored with everything cause there is nothing really in ED yet to absorb you, just basic stuff. But I eager to see what they will do with the game next year. Would be nice to come back in like 6 months with gazillion new things to do.
I agree there is far too much "waiting" in this game.
Superscruse is the worse part of that.
15 or 20 minutes to travel from one station to other in the same system.
There is just no need for that.
There was a bit of waiting in X3 too but only in the beginning.
Once you get a few traders going there was always something to do.
Superscruse is the worse part of that.
15 or 20 minutes to travel from one station to other in the same system.
There is just no need for that.
There was a bit of waiting in X3 too but only in the beginning.
Once you get a few traders going there was always something to do.
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i would like to add that i sort of agree......but right now i see it as GTA in space except you cant get out.
i'm waiting until frontier hires way more people to their staff so they can start developing the expansions like ship and orbitals interiors.
and of course planetary landings.
but youre right there needs to be more to do. more immersion.
i'm waiting until frontier hires way more people to their staff so they can start developing the expansions like ship and orbitals interiors.
and of course planetary landings.
but youre right there needs to be more to do. more immersion.
Hello everyone,
as I had been a space sim lover forever, i also played all x games, and I enjoyed them all.
Even x-rebirth, which was a total fail on release, is now a very enjoyable game. Overall it has more features than Elite at the moment.
It took me a while until I decided to give Elite a try. I knew what I was about to buy and I expected it to be slow at the beginning. What I am missing in Elite is to walk through the ship and the stations (which is possible in x-rebirth), but I guess I've read it somewhere (correct me, if I'm wrong) that these things are in developement. So nevermind. I also would like to have a fleet, but as it is possible to play online, one day there probably will be player factions and stations and they will form fleets.
As you can see, I have a vision of what the game could become in future. Carriers and Fighters...all controlled by the players. Why not? Big first person spacebattles with real players, epic. And I am finally here to see it growing. I also decided to get myself an Ocolus Rift DK to play Elite.
Elite is about to do alot of things right, that the x-series is not able to provide. Planets, that can be surrounded, instead of SINZA (increasing spead of time), superfast travel and hyperjumps, which also replace the jumpgates and allow multiplayer, that egosoft is actually dreaming of to make. And the lack of features is something, that will be solved by time. What I really like is the newsfeed, which simulates the political aspect of the game. I've read about a war going on in a system. Not sure, if the AI is actually really fighting there, but as soon as I can, I will go and take a look and join a side probably. I can imagine, that the AI someday also attacks playerfactions and stations.
Well..however, I'm dreaming ^^
Enjoy your holidays everyone, in whatever universe you decide to spend your time. I will be in both.
as I had been a space sim lover forever, i also played all x games, and I enjoyed them all.
Even x-rebirth, which was a total fail on release, is now a very enjoyable game. Overall it has more features than Elite at the moment.
It took me a while until I decided to give Elite a try. I knew what I was about to buy and I expected it to be slow at the beginning. What I am missing in Elite is to walk through the ship and the stations (which is possible in x-rebirth), but I guess I've read it somewhere (correct me, if I'm wrong) that these things are in developement. So nevermind. I also would like to have a fleet, but as it is possible to play online, one day there probably will be player factions and stations and they will form fleets.
As you can see, I have a vision of what the game could become in future. Carriers and Fighters...all controlled by the players. Why not? Big first person spacebattles with real players, epic. And I am finally here to see it growing. I also decided to get myself an Ocolus Rift DK to play Elite.
Elite is about to do alot of things right, that the x-series is not able to provide. Planets, that can be surrounded, instead of SINZA (increasing spead of time), superfast travel and hyperjumps, which also replace the jumpgates and allow multiplayer, that egosoft is actually dreaming of to make. And the lack of features is something, that will be solved by time. What I really like is the newsfeed, which simulates the political aspect of the game. I've read about a war going on in a system. Not sure, if the AI is actually really fighting there, but as soon as I can, I will go and take a look and join a side probably. I can imagine, that the AI someday also attacks playerfactions and stations.
Well..however, I'm dreaming ^^
Enjoy your holidays everyone, in whatever universe you decide to spend your time. I will be in both.
That was hardly what they were saying and you know it.
In fact you are the one who is saying that the you can only like something that is flawless and if you don't like something it must be flawed.
As opposed to the general idea that people enjoy different things independently of if where the thing is flawless or not.
Elite Dangerous is actually a very beautiful game with some excellent ideas.
However...
In a typical rush to cash in on Christmas holiday pay cheques, it was rushed to release boasting a space sim MMO.
When you use the term MMO, many people expect RPG style elements and as many have already played X3 , Eve, Earth and Beyond, Star Trek and SWTOR, we expect all MMO to have the RPG element.
Sadly, the MMO side is incredibly Lord of the Flies, you better grab hold of the reins hard or you will burn in an expensive insurance induced death, which can put many players off like myself.
Don t get me wrong, the game is nice, fun to tootle along at your own pace..... In solo mode.
Devs have quickly come in with the nerf reapers scythe to limit cash flow progression.
ED quickly became a game I didn't really care to play, there was no addictive element like other games, even free to play, no progression except money ( which they nerfed )
PVP ...cough I mean their Multi player side is ruthless, good luck if you are trying well known trade run routes that offer no form of protection against trigger happy ( yeah I have a fully kitted Cobra that I got from rare exploit trading , so now I will gank every sidewinder I see)
Ive seen players with 170 million bounties on them because of all the grieving they have caused, which is fine because a ganked player can just play solo and never worry about it again... But doesn't that defeat the purpose of an MMO.
ED did some basic mistakes
#1 Not enough non Flyboy testers, resulting in a very hardcore, ruthless MMO, yes it lives up to the Dangerous, but also the game offers no real protection for new players, so why would you play Multi mode?
#2 The MMO side for those that do want the risk factor was not thought about very well, stations with 40 ships wanting to land, 4 landing pads in cycle is a joke. It is like driving in Bangladesh, total chaos.
#3 I could go on and on but whatever.
Its a fun game and will pass the time to SC comes out but in no way is it a real MMO, it's more like a solo player with a PVP server.
Yes I am sure it will improve, because to get more customers the market is with RPG MMO's and ED can either act fast and attract those players, or stay as it is and keep a loyal base of Elite gamers albiet a small group.
Already more and more players are switching to solo play to learn the game mechanics, unfortunately this also becomes a very safe game environment and there is no real encouragement from Devs to offer a reason to play the MMO side.
However...
In a typical rush to cash in on Christmas holiday pay cheques, it was rushed to release boasting a space sim MMO.
When you use the term MMO, many people expect RPG style elements and as many have already played X3 , Eve, Earth and Beyond, Star Trek and SWTOR, we expect all MMO to have the RPG element.
Sadly, the MMO side is incredibly Lord of the Flies, you better grab hold of the reins hard or you will burn in an expensive insurance induced death, which can put many players off like myself.
Don t get me wrong, the game is nice, fun to tootle along at your own pace..... In solo mode.
Devs have quickly come in with the nerf reapers scythe to limit cash flow progression.
ED quickly became a game I didn't really care to play, there was no addictive element like other games, even free to play, no progression except money ( which they nerfed )
PVP ...cough I mean their Multi player side is ruthless, good luck if you are trying well known trade run routes that offer no form of protection against trigger happy ( yeah I have a fully kitted Cobra that I got from rare exploit trading , so now I will gank every sidewinder I see)
Ive seen players with 170 million bounties on them because of all the grieving they have caused, which is fine because a ganked player can just play solo and never worry about it again... But doesn't that defeat the purpose of an MMO.
ED did some basic mistakes
#1 Not enough non Flyboy testers, resulting in a very hardcore, ruthless MMO, yes it lives up to the Dangerous, but also the game offers no real protection for new players, so why would you play Multi mode?
#2 The MMO side for those that do want the risk factor was not thought about very well, stations with 40 ships wanting to land, 4 landing pads in cycle is a joke. It is like driving in Bangladesh, total chaos.
#3 I could go on and on but whatever.
Its a fun game and will pass the time to SC comes out but in no way is it a real MMO, it's more like a solo player with a PVP server.
Yes I am sure it will improve, because to get more customers the market is with RPG MMO's and ED can either act fast and attract those players, or stay as it is and keep a loyal base of Elite gamers albiet a small group.
Already more and more players are switching to solo play to learn the game mechanics, unfortunately this also becomes a very safe game environment and there is no real encouragement from Devs to offer a reason to play the MMO side.
ED is hardly a sandbox in any traditional sense. ED is a credit grind. There has to be enough toys in the sand...
Thanks for showing me X3, it is an awesome game that puts ED to shame, what a great game, got bored in ED after 30 minutes, because I had seen everything new, x3 will give me something to do in my off hours. Thanks again.
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It's a sandbox game in that it will give you all the pleasure of sand in your clothing.
I want to like this game! I really do! I loved the original on my C64 and it influenced my life in many ways. I have really been looking forward to this ...but something is missing ...or maybe I am missing the point?
This post is not meant as a general critisism of Elite Dangerous and everything in it. Neither is it a comparison between space sims. I just want to share my thoughts. I have a feeling I can't be the only one...
I just clicked 'Save and Exit'. Huh!? Why!? What's wrong here? My girlfriend is out and I have the whole evening to myself, but instead of enjoying hours of space exploration in my newly purchased Viper, I find myself ...well, writing this post and I bet that afterwards I will load up my last save in X3:Terrain Conflict (which I bought a month ago). Why?
I guess I am simply not having enough fun in ED. I do not feel immersed. I work 40+ hours a week and when I finally get the chance to fire up my pc and dive into a game, I want to have fun and I want to be absorbed. (Don't get me wrong. I am not the kind of player who wants everything served on a silver platter in the shape of fast paced action and big flashing hints. I have been a pc gamer for 25 years. I like long streched games, I like challenges, I like perma-death or a steep learning curve.) I want to feel part of the universe I am playing in. I want to be consumed, fascinated, challenged, and I want to be able to shape and control which ever game universe I am in... but in ED I find myself waiting.
I am waiting for my Viper to arrive at the station, I am waiting for a space platform to grant me a docking permit, because 15 sidewinders are queuing up. I am waiting for the blue 'jump' indicator so I can check out the unknown signal ...oh, it was just that high tech transporter again ...well, I will go wait some more for something to happen. It just feels tedious, slow and dead somehow. And it never really feels as if all the other online players are there (except when everyone is trying to dock at the same time). I don't really feel as if I am part of the universe, I feel as if I am flying around 400 billion stars with no aim, and every time I want to do something, explore something, experience something I end up spending my time ...waiting.
Some might say it is up to me, that I am not getting it. And maybe they are right. I sincerely hope they are. I am not giving up on ED. I am still hoping for this game to win me over and I intend to give it a fighting chance ...but tonight I choose X3:TC. I have had enough for now of supercruising the galaxy without going anywhere (...or going too far). In spite of X3 being a solo game (and an old one) it gives me the feeling of being part of a universe which seems much more vast and alive. And best of all, there are so many posibilities, so much to do ...and I don't have to wait all the time.
+1
Game feels shallow to me, and i believe the underlying problem is the lack of in game systems giving me an increasing amount of useful tools and information to work with. As it is now, the only thing to strive for after a few hours is increased efficiency in whichever of the 4 activities you enjoy the most.
daan2002
Banned
I want to like this game! I really do! I loved the original on my C64 and it influenced my life in many ways. I have really been looking forward to this ...but something is missing ...or maybe I am missing the point?
This post is not meant as a general critisism of Elite Dangerous and everything in it. Neither is it a comparison between space sims. I just want to share my thoughts. I have a feeling I can't be the only one...
I just clicked 'Save and Exit'. Huh!? Why!? What's wrong here? My girlfriend is out and I have the whole evening to myself, but instead of enjoying hours of space exploration in my newly purchased Viper, I find myself ...well, writing this post and I bet that afterwards I will load up my last save in X3:Terrain Conflict (which I bought a month ago). Why?
I guess I am simply not having enough fun in ED. I do not feel immersed. I work 40+ hours a week and when I finally get the chance to fire up my pc and dive into a game, I want to have fun and I want to be absorbed. (Don't get me wrong. I am not the kind of player who wants everything served on a silver platter in the shape of fast paced action and big flashing hints. I have been a pc gamer for 25 years. I like long streched games, I like challenges, I like perma-death or a steep learning curve.) I want to feel part of the universe I am playing in. I want to be consumed, fascinated, challenged, and I want to be able to shape and control which ever game universe I am in... but in ED I find myself waiting.
I am waiting for my Viper to arrive at the station, I am waiting for a space platform to grant me a docking permit, because 15 sidewinders are queuing up. I am waiting for the blue 'jump' indicator so I can check out the unknown signal ...oh, it was just that high tech transporter again ...well, I will go wait some more for something to happen. It just feels tedious, slow and dead somehow. And it never really feels as if all the other online players are there (except when everyone is trying to dock at the same time). I don't really feel as if I am part of the universe, I feel as if I am flying around 400 billion stars with no aim, and every time I want to do something, explore something, experience something I end up spending my time ...waiting.
Some might say it is up to me, that I am not getting it. And maybe they are right. I sincerely hope they are. I am not giving up on ED. I am still hoping for this game to win me over and I intend to give it a fighting chance ...but tonight I choose X3:TC. I have had enough for now of supercruising the galaxy without going anywhere (...or going too far). In spite of X3 being a solo game (and an old one) it gives me the feeling of being part of a universe which seems much more vast and alive. And best of all, there are so many posibilities, so much to do ...and I don't have to wait all the time.
boohoo play solo like you boxed solo X3