Cannabis to be a separate entity from Botanical Drugs b/c tobacco is already separate

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You do realize that you don't have to 'burn' cannabis, don't you? There are vaporizers...

You don't need to burn Tobacco either, that doesn't make it healthy. Sure you could strip the Cannabis down to just the THC (much how people can just buy nicotine by itself) , but if thats was all you wanted you could have just made it pure in a laboratory (and its carcinogenic effects are unclear) .

I agree with the psychoactive effects but that is something the government has no right to intervene, it's my very own personal decision. If not than it's not anymore the society of freedom and personal choices I enjoy to live in.

We're not talking about your government, we're talking about thousands of procedurally generated governments in the game were they exist on a spectrum of interference in their citizans lives. However if any government was to justify criminalizing a drug it would be on the basis of the psychoactive effects not addiction, for example many people are addicted to alcohol but they can still legally drive unless they are under the effect of alcohol at the time.

I would state the opposite: psychoactive effects have nothing at all to do with addiction. As long as I can stop it for as long as I want it's no addiction. And I stop it right now for the next 6 weeks (for some personal reasons). Where did you get that argument from that addictions don't matter but psychoactive effects do?

Addiction just means that the body has adjusted so it has a ongoing need for something. This is very hard to define in a legal sense... My body has a ongoing need for water and oxygen, so am I addicted to them? Should the government rule them as a controlled substance? What about things that I simply like because I enjoy them like sugar or PC games? Are these addictive because I seek them out, so should the government ban tasty food and fun?... Obviously the answer is no.

In your world pilots would smoke weed and ice cream would be a banned substance.
 
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Governments don't justify the criminalizing of drugs on the basis of its psychoactive effects.

They criminalize drugs based on the damage they can do as well as addiction potential.

They have alcohol wrong because it is one of the most harmful drugs and addictive. Clearly cannabis is wrongly classified too as it is one of the least harmful and not addictive.
 
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Canabis is a politicaly heavy subject. With all the controversies surrounding it I doubt we will see such a thing.
 

Lestat

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By the time 1300 they would have the CBD and THC pills

CBD epilepsy and seizures and nerve Pain.

THC which helps eating for cancer patients and other types of pain.

They would not need a plant. Already they have drug trial for the compound in cannabis in a pill from.

I have epilepsy and dad died of cancer that why I know about all of this.
 
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Would be cool to trade tonnes of cannabis XD

Tell me about it! It would just increase immersion!

I would prefer Tobacco and Cannabis are combined into one commodity not because I would prefer Cannabis not be mentioned directly but because I dislike the fact Tobacco is currently singled out for promotion. I think in a enlightened society the fact that both substance have about the same negative heath effects would make their legalities the same. Botanical Drugs might be a bit too broad of a term though, maybe Herbal Inhalables.

Everything about the Commodities Market betrays this games British origin... Two different types of Meat commodities but Fruit and Vegetables are lumped together like a afterthought?! Keep Tea distinct from Coffee and completely forget about Rice, the staple food for over half the worlds population!...

I hope at some point in the future it gets a overhaul to reflect a more enlightened and internationally (interstellar) balanced diet.

I think Coffee (Caffeinated Drinks) and Tea (Herbal Drinks) should also be put into the Legal Drugs category, lets face it they have very little nutritional value by themselves. All of the Medicines should be put into the Legal Drugs category too to reflect the ability of the included dugs to be used as narcotics.

I am with this guy here, DEVS: either remove the TOBACCO PROMOTION, or add Cannabis as an Illegal Commodity.


I get the basic argument, I just don't understand what it'd actually add to the game?

Well you might ask also that what does the alcohol or the tobacco item add to the game; only IMMERSION. That's what it adds.

Because seriously, if people are smoking tobacco and drinking booze in the year 3300, they will smoke weed too.

Tobacco still being smoked seems unlikely

But it's in the game. Cannabis is not, and they are promoting a MUCH WORSE COMMODITY IN TERMS OF HEALTH.

Canabis is a politicaly heavy subject. With all the controversies surrounding it I doubt we will see such a thing.

I'd like to think that this game isn't part of any political game and the developers have big balls and they will add cannabis as a commodity to the game.

I know it's a crazy crusade but hey, I bought this game only to be a ganja smuggler! And now i can't do it. What a bummer :(

Vapourisers? What happened to bongs?

This makes University feel like such a long time ago :(

The bongs and pipes and joints were from an era where people didn't know about the better way; Vapourising.

As some other guy pointed out, this is about twenty times healthier than smoking according to the clinical tests.

I am sure in my spaceship I could vape - or this could be an interesting add-on module for your spaceship cockpit you could buy? :D
 
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So, you want to waste valuable programming time that could be spent on improving the game so that your chosen form of vice can be input?

God. Stoners always feel the need to announce their presence. Its a game, you cant get high in it.

Political pressure? Not everyone sees the legalization of MJ as a top notch priority. There are REAL problems in the real world.
 

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...and that's enough.

Debate the topic "should there be a new commodity called cannabis?" but not each other, nor the current legal status or effects of the Cannabis​ spp.
 
Yeah well, controlled substance's seem to push people's button's more so than other issues, I was an admin on a large minecraft server a few years back, one of my peer's suggested that we add a user made dlc feature called "drugmeup", we agreed to add it as it was a popular suggestion among our playerbase.

To our surprise, within a day of adding this feature we had a backlog of angry parent's complaining about how "we had lured their children into a false sense of security on a server they believed *family friendly*" or "I caught my 10 year old was crafting a spliff" needless to say our hand was forced to remove this feature by the end of the week.

Despite the majority of Elite Dangerous's playerbase being mainly 18+ that doesn't change the fact that this game is still only PEGI: 7

As excessively sensational as some people can be that doesn't mean that their views aren't as valid as our own. It pains me to say.
 
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Yeah well, controlled substance's seem to push people's button's more so than other issues, I was an admin on a large minecraft server a few years back, one of my peer's suggested that we add a user made dlc feature called "drugmeup", we agreed to add it as it was a popular suggestion among our playerbase.

To our surprise, within a day of adding this feature we had a backlog of angry parent's complaining about how "we had lured their children into a false sense of security on a server they believed *family friendly*" or "I caught my 10 year old was crafting a spliff" needless to say our hand was forced to remove this feature by the end of the week.

Despite the majority of Elite Dangerous's playerbase being mainly 18+ that doesn't change the fact that this game is still only PEGI: 7

As excessively sensational as some people can be that doesn't mean that their views aren't as valid as our own. It pains me to say.

Sir, I am 100% for freedom of expression.

However, there are more pressing concerns getting this game to reach its potential that dont involve pointless additions simply so some choked up stoners can giggle about seeing their hauler being filled with weed.

Devs, please focus on gameplay. This is pointless.
 
I am disappointed that some here see me as "stoned off my balls". :(

Don't you get that someone might actually MEDICATE :eek:

IF YOU ARE A RECREATIONAL USER PLEASE DO NOT FORCE IT ON ME, OR THINK FOR ONE SECOND THAT I WOULD BE ONE :mad:

Enjoy your health, if you have it.



The secondary point was missed by most; The tobacco promotion.

Why not merge this into Botanical Drugs if Cannabis is bad?


Why is this game promoting tobacco?

If cannabis is too late to be added (e.g. should have made a suggestion in alpha/beta stage), I understand this, but tobacco is not too late to be removed!


PS: Being PEGI 7, tobacco should be removed?
 
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Has anyone come across any other Botanical Drugs in game besides Tobacco?
Either add more or merge them as one if it is the only one makes sense.


No different from having a Category Art work and only having sculptures in that category.
No point in having a category with only one item in.


PEGI 7, with assassination, slavery, alcohol, drugs, murder, but because it is text rather than a graphical depiction...
 
Ok here's a scenerio for you:

FD decide to take up the suggestion to add the commodity "cannabis".

Along comes some sensational conservative news site notices this and writes an article: "Weed trading simulator" and the article somehow gains traction.

A potential buyer who has a negative attuide towards cannabis, views this article and decides (rather unfortunately) not to purchase the game because of the *perceived* negatively surrounding this aspect of the game.

This is all of course speculative, and please treat it as such.

People are probably going reply "I wouldn't want these narrow minded people in the community" true I would feel a similar point of view in this respect.

But that doesn't change the fact that's a potential sale lost, which is obviously not the best tactic for a company hoping to keep a broad buyerbase.

As ridiculous as this all sounds, it's not something that can be ruled out. I think sensationalist websites would have a much harder job writing the same article about alochol or tobacco.
 
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