8.5m Cr ship loss - 30+ hours wasted - discuss!

alex4501

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I just lost all my progress hours of work because I bought a more expensive upgrade then I meant to, which put me under the re buy limit. Timed with my first and only death in countless hours of game play. Honestly whats the point of having a loan to re buy system if the max loan is less then the cost to re buy the ship alone, not even any of the items....

No other game has such harsh death penalties, especially as for the majority of people all of their assets are tied up in the ship....

So now I have a choice either stop playing or replay 30+ hours in order to get back to where I was...

oh and if all you can post is some reworked statement about not going below rebuy value don't waste your time! This is posted in the hope that if enough people comment on this topic maybe something will get done about it.
 

DrugaRunda

DrugaRunda
It needs to be harsher, the current system is too soft, so you would not feel alone in your loss. The above should be a normal part of the game experience, basically teaching you to invest what you can lose, and not overcommit. It is just a different philosophy comparing to what most games today have, and you are advocating precisely for that (hand holding that most of the games do today, which makes them 10hrs and "done" experiences) to be repeated in Elite universe as well.

From my point of view insurance should be removed, at the moment the game is too "hand-holdy" overall, insurance being just one aspect of it.
 

Ortikon

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alex4501 said:
I just lost all my progress hours of work because I bought a more expensive upgrade then I meant to, which put me under the re buy limit. Timed with my first and only death in countless hours of game play. Honestly whats the point of having a loan to re buy system if the max loan is less then the cost to re buy the ship alone, not even any of the items....

No other game has such harsh death penalties, especially as for the majority of people all of their assets are tied up in the ship....

So now I have a choice either stop playing or replay 30+ hours in order to get back to where I was...

oh and if all you can post is some reworked statement about not going below rebuy value don't waste your time! This is posted in the hope that if enough people comment on this topic maybe something will get done about it.
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But..what if we don't want something done about it?
Vote now! But only if you have my opinion. Democracy at its best...

I lost everything once, and clawed my way back to the top twice as fast. It's a lot easier when you have the rep you earned in the past.
Now I make sure to never, ever, EVER, leave station with a gamble on not losing everything. No such thing as a routine flight when your entire asset pool is on the line.
 

EddyRockSteady

EddyRockSteady
What harsh penalties?

If you want to fly dirty then you gotta take your lumps: The insurance is right there, listed on your right MFCD - if you cannot afford the loss don't launch, it's that easy.
 

Antidepressiva

Antidepressiva
DrugaRunda said:
It needs to be harsher, the current system is too soft, so you would not feel alone in your loss. The above should be a normal part of the game experience, basically teaching you to invest what you can lose, and not overcommit. It is just a different philosophy comparing to what most games today have, and you are advocating precisely for that (hand holding that most of the games do today, which makes them 10hrs and "done" experiences) to be repeated in Elite universe as well.

From my point of view insurance should be removed, at the moment the game is too "hand-holdy" overall, insurance being just one aspect of it.
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Fully agree.
+1 rep for you !
 

Mohrgan

Mohrgan
alex4501 said:
I just lost all my progress hours of work because I bought a more expensive upgrade then I meant to,

oh and if all you can post is some reworked statement about not going below rebuy value don't waste your time! This is posted in the hope that if enough people comment on this topic maybe something will get done about it.
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So basically, you want a core mechanic changed because (see above) you purchased a ship that was too expensive. You could have Immediately sold it back and gotten a more appropriate ship.
On top of that, you decide that there should be no dissension in order to advance your opinion. The only word I can find to describe your post is: Self-serving. You messed up, and you have to pay the price.

On a more positive note: You must have enjoyed the time you put in to get that too expensive ship, now you get to relive your time, and you'll get the chance to buy the more appropriate ship.

P.S. You will notice I didn't mention the fact that flying without enough insurance credits is a costly mistake.
 
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kylania

kylania
Personal responsibility. The game didn't force you to buy the wrong item. The game didn't force you to undock without checking your insurance payment being covered. The game didn't force you to do whatever resulted in your death. Lots of other games have more harsh penalties for death and loss of items.

The only thing that can be done about this, that should be done about this, is that YOU the pilot pay more attention. You screwed up, the game didn't.
 

alex4501

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My complaint is more with the re buy loan system, which is designed to counter the problem of not having enough CR to re buy. But when the max loan is not enough to cover even the ship it makes the whole system pointless! I would even be happy to take a hit and recover say 1/3 or 2/3 of my total assets and re buy a type 6 etc.
 

Techmonkey

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alex4501 said:
I just lost all my progress hours of work because I bought a more expensive upgrade then I meant to, which put me under the re buy limit. Timed with my first and only death in countless hours of game play. Honestly whats the point of having a loan to re buy system if the max loan is less then the cost to re buy the ship alone, not even any of the items....

No other game has such harsh death penalties, especially as for the majority of people all of their assets are tied up in the ship....

So now I have a choice either stop playing or replay 30+ hours in order to get back to where I was...

oh and if all you can post is some reworked statement about not going below rebuy value don't waste your time! This is posted in the hope that if enough people comment on this topic maybe something will get done about it.
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If it's a job for you, you should take a few days off or quit the job.
 

flint read

flint read
here's what happened to me tonight :(

Came in to land at Arouca Shipton Orbital and gained docking permissions was directed to pad 22 as soon as i entered the slot of the station i was given a pad loitering error so i reversed and cancelled the docking re applied and was denied permission also suffered an instant 500 cr fine for pad loitering (i was in no way over any pad let alone loitering)

then immediately the station opened fire and destroyed my clipper and 78 rares i had spent all night running around and collecting.

re buy was 22 odd million credits but that has wiped out a whole evenings (approx 6 hours) travelling and cargo collecting.

I don't at all mind dying through pilot error but think that this must have been a bug.
 

ste

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I cant think of many games that has less penalties for failure. This is so, so forgiving. I guess people get complacent because theres little that can go wrong and start doing stupid things like not bothering with insurance. then expect the bar lowered further to accommodate.
 

Bozeman42

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I disagree with both the OP and DrugaRunda.

IMO if you fly without insurance money, welcome to Ironman mode. That said, I think the current system allows for loss of ship to be a significant but not crushing blow. I would probably be pretty upset if it was not possible to recover from ship loss. I don't think I would bother with any expensive ships. As it stands, I have the option to keep a responsible buffer of credits to prevent disaster.
 

Lestat

Banned
Lestat
alex4501 said:
I just lost all my progress hours of work because I bought a more expensive upgrade then I meant to, which put me under the re buy limit. Timed with my first and only death in countless hours of game play. Honestly whats the point of having a loan to re buy system if the max loan is less then the cost to re buy the ship alone, not even any of the items....

No other game has such harsh death penalties, especially as for the majority of people all of their assets are tied up in the ship....

So now I have a choice either stop playing or replay 30+ hours in order to get back to where I was...

oh and if all you can post is some reworked statement about not going below rebuy value don't waste your time! This is posted in the hope that if enough people comment on this topic maybe something will get done about it.
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This game is not here to hold your hand like other MMO where you repair your armor for a low fee. This game requires you to use common sense. I am sorry you died.

But what need to be reworked is Think before you buy. You can check your insurance to see what required to rebuy your ship.

Risk and reward. You took that risk and lost your reward.

I wish they take the loan system out.
 
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Hooplah

Hooplah
Well for several hundred hours of game play and always having insurance a total loss and restart has never come up. That is the solution. As I haven't experienced it can a player still get the loan even if it doesn't cover the rebuy of the original ship? Starting out with 200k would be easier than 1000.
 

bitstorm

bitstorm
49rTbird said:
I have not figured out how to take out a loan. :( Can anyone advice? Ty.
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When you die it offers you the option to take out a loan if you don't have the cash to cover your new ship.

The loan is up to 200,000 so obviously it won't be enough when you get into the bigger ships (~1,000,000+) but by then you should be savvy enough to always keep back enough credits to not need it.
 
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Tufty

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alex4501 said:
I just lost all my progress hours of work because I bought a more expensive upgrade then I meant to, which put me under the re buy limit. Timed with my first and only death in countless hours of game play. Honestly whats the point of having a loan to re buy system if the max loan is less then the cost to re buy the ship alone, not even any of the items....

No other game has such harsh death penalties, especially as for the majority of people all of their assets are tied up in the ship....

So now I have a choice either stop playing or replay 30+ hours in order to get back to where I was...

oh and if all you can post is some reworked statement about not going below rebuy value don't waste your time! This is posted in the hope that if enough people comment on this topic maybe something will get done about it.
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I learned this lesson the hard way and I should know better being an Old Eve player, why when I got to my Corba MKIII I upgraded I earned enough to buy a T6 but instead of trading in the Corbra MKIII I've kept her just in case and i'll do the same with the T6 but sell the Corbra MKIII. It's been hard work but better to fall back on my old ship than start all over in a Sidewinder.
 

Straha Yeagar

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flint read said:
here's what happened to me tonight :(

Came in to land at Arouca Shipton Orbital and gained docking permissions was directed to pad 22 as soon as i entered the slot of the station i was given a pad loitering error so i reversed and cancelled the docking re applied and was denied permission also suffered an instant 500 cr fine for pad loitering (i was in no way over any pad let alone loitering)

then immediately the station opened fire and destroyed my clipper and 78 rares i had spent all night running around and collecting.

re buy was 22 odd million credits but that has wiped out a whole evenings (approx 6 hours) travelling and cargo collecting.

I don't at all mind dying through pilot error but think that this must have been a bug.
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Are you sure it was loitering, and not trespassing? If you were not completely clear of the station when you cancelled your docking request, you were trespassing.
 

Amos

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The original elite is way harder than ED, I remember dying so many times mainly to docking hehe, but still the game was so unforgiving and harsh, we need games to be harsh and hard, games today hold your hand too much, my advice to you, take a break and come back when your ready to play again, dont quit because you lost everything, it will probably happen a few more times too.
 
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